10-21-2011 06:34 PM
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  1. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    I hate Sprint because their networks don't work inside building like Walmart, Meijer, Walgreens, etc (and the free roaming is worthless because the speeds still sucks and kill my battery). The extra 10 bucks a month to use AT&T makes more sense to me since I'll be able to actually USE my phone (plus 3G and talk is sweet) and ill have to learn to monitor my usage.

    I want to move to AT&T, but hate their pricing and don't want to sign a new two-year agreement. I was going to give my wife my Sprint Arrive phone (even though my ETF isn't that high...around 130 or so...) and get a Focus from Craigslist.

    However, where would I go from there? Just call and get it activated without signing a two year contract? Do you have to sign a contract to use their network with a used phone bought outside of contract?
    10-20-2011 04:38 PM
  2. power5's Avatar
    Do not need a contract. Just get a used phone and go to an ATT store.
    10-20-2011 05:23 PM
  3. foosball's Avatar
    Hmmm, wonder if you could get a pay as you go plan from one of the plans which piggy-backs on Att. Probably cheaper than paying those Att bastards outright.

    Sent from my HTC Arrive using Board Express
    10-20-2011 05:26 PM
  4. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    Hmmm, wonder if you could get a pay as you go plan from one of the plans which piggy-backs on Att. Probably cheaper than paying those Att bastards outright.

    Sent from my HTC Arrive using Board Express
    I see you have an Arrive..do you find you have problems using things like Bing Vision or shopsavvy in stores with thick walls? I have had this problem on all my Android devices and now my Arrive, and I know it's because Sprint is in the higher mghz ranges, where's AT&T and T-Mobile are on the lower spectrums.
    10-20-2011 05:30 PM
  5. Rodolfo#WP's Avatar
    I didn't have the problems you report with Sprint, but I was wed to a very low-cost plan. I was persuaded to switch when some friends invited me to join their group or family plan. I still had to sign on for 2 years to get the free Focus phone I wanted, but my rate was comparable to what I had with Sprint. This may be an option for you. Good luck!
    10-20-2011 05:48 PM
  6. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    Do not need a contract. Just get a used phone and go to an ATT store.
    So how much would that run me monthly? Just the regular rates as contract customers? That would be awesome, as their plans aren't THAT MUCH more expensive....plus the whole unlocking of phone things brings new possibilities for me to have different toys and networks to play on...

    As they say...you get what you pay for, and although Sprint is cheaper (and its only because they've basically put bandages all over my account with discounts for staying with them..) AT&T will give me more use of my phone to truly feel the power of Windows Phone wherever I am, and not only in city areas outside (doesn't even work in my apartment)

    My current Sprint bill is at $75 bucks, and I have an 8% discount with my company and AT&T. Like I said, having the power to scan products and stuff in stores is useless because I can't actually actually use them in the stores when I want a review or something.

    Also, can this be applied to T-Mobile (as in, can I get a used phone from Craigslist and then use it on T-Mobile without signing a contract?)
    10-20-2011 05:48 PM
  7. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    I didn't have the problems you report with Sprint, but I was wed to a very low-cost plan. I was persuaded to switch when some friends invited me to join their group or family plan. I still had to sign on for 2 years to get the free Focus phone I wanted, but my rate was comparable to what I had with Sprint. This may be an option for you. Good luck!
    I don't need a free phone because I'd rather pay the 150 for a Focus (the ads in my area) than sign up for a contract on AT&T. I love their network, but their contract terms. Thanks for the tip though
    10-20-2011 05:52 PM
  8. foosball's Avatar
    I see you have an Arrive..do you find you have problems using things like Bing Vision or shopsavvy in stores with thick walls? I have had this problem on all my Android devices and now my Arrive, and I know it's because Sprint is in the higher mghz ranges, where's AT&T and T-Mobile are on the lower spectrums.
    My experience has been that after you get into a big box store your coverage does significantly weaken....however I always thought that GSM was significantly less capable than CDMA in this regard. Check out what Google has to say on the issue.

    That being said eventually we will all be on 4G and that has been atrocious indoors on Sprint. Does anyone know if it is any better on the other carrier's 4G networks as far as 4G indoor reception?

    Sent from my HTC Arrive using Board Express
    10-20-2011 06:05 PM
  9. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    My experience has been that after you get into a big box store your coverage does significantly weaken....however I always thought that GSM was significantly less capable than CDMA in this regard. Check out what Google has to say on the issue.

    That being said eventually we will all be on 4G and that has been atrocious indoors on Sprint. Does anyone know if it is any better on the other carrier's 4G networks as far as 4G indoor reception?

    Sent from my HTC Arrive using Board Express
    I will indeed Google that because from what I've seen (and experienced through my work iPhone 4) the AT&T 3G worked more consistently indoors...both in box store buildings and my apartment. It could also just be their coverage map, but right when I step outside with my phone the 3G is fine again...
    10-20-2011 06:08 PM
  10. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    I never had reception problems with Sprint except for Winstar Casino in Oklahoma and a particular bar I used to go to regularly. I don't go to that bar anymore, and I only go to Winstar for concerts, so I find Sprint to be adequate. I have seen AT&T folks complain about reception and dropping calls when my signal is fine.

    I think it is more about coverage map. For example, I have heard horror stories about AT&T in big cities like New York and Chicago because of the tall buildings blocking reception, whereas it's fine in Dallas because the city is more spread out. I recommend uisng the carrier that's best for you in your area.
    10-20-2011 06:42 PM
  11. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    I never had reception problems with Sprint except for Winstar Casino in Oklahoma and a particular bar I used to go to regularly. I don't go to that bar anymore, and I only go to Winstar for concerts, so I find Sprint to be adequate. I have seen AT&T folks complain about reception and dropping calls when my signal is fine.

    I think it is more about coverage map. For example, I have heard horror stories about AT&T in big cities like New York and Chicago because of the tall buildings blocking reception, whereas it's fine in Dallas because the city is more spread out. I recommend uisng the carrier that's best for you in your area.
    In my experience, Sprint is horrible in nearly any store I go to here in Indiana, both in my old hometown, Marion, and Avon (where I live now) In a Walmart, Meijer, Walgreens....anywhere I have a chance to use apps like Shopsavvy or Bing Vision, it is always hung and up the results either:

    1. Never come
    2. Come up so slow that its pointless

    When browsing the web with my work phone (iPhone 4) at the exact same time of using my Arrive, the internet is fast and on demand for when I need it...
    10-20-2011 07:20 PM
  12. MachoDonut's Avatar
    So how much would that run me monthly? Just the regular rates as contract customers? That would be awesome, as their plans aren't THAT MUCH more expensive....plus the whole unlocking of phone things brings new possibilities for me to have different toys and networks to play on...

    As they say...you get what you pay for, and although Sprint is cheaper (and its only because they've basically put bandages all over my account with discounts for staying with them..) AT&T will give me more use of my phone to truly feel the power of Windows Phone wherever I am, and not only in city areas outside (doesn't even work in my apartment)

    My current Sprint bill is at $75 bucks, and I have an 8% discount with my company and AT&T. Like I said, having the power to scan products and stuff in stores is useless because I can't actually actually use them in the stores when I want a review or something.

    Also, can this be applied to T-Mobile (as in, can I get a used phone from Craigslist and then use it on T-Mobile without signing a contract?)
    It will run you the same amount as if you were on a contract, just without the contract. The same applies to T-Mobile.
    10-20-2011 07:32 PM
  13. red grenadine's Avatar
    I'd check out the new T-Mobile month to month 4G plan for $30 per month if I were you

    Walmart and T-Mobile to Sell No-Contract $30 Mobile Phone Plans With "Unlimited" 4G Data | PCWorld
    10-20-2011 07:59 PM
  14. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    100 minutes would definitely be too little for me.

    So I'm lost.....say I'm using AT&T with the used phone I purchase, and find that maybe the signal isn't as great as I thought. What then? Do I just go in and say "Meh...your network sucks so I'm done" and that's all there is to it.....no ETF? If so, that's awesome! I would have done this a LONG time ago if I had known about it....
    10-20-2011 08:37 PM
  15. jfa1's Avatar
    The ETF is for the recovery of the subsidied part of the price of the phone you bought your own phone there should be not ETF I am pretty sure.
    10-20-2011 09:11 PM
  16. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    Man i'm going to find a focus tomorrow and get this started asap....

    Had I known about this I would have never extended my contract on Sprint until 2012...man..

    And the fact that I can use phones between AT&T and T-Mobile is boss....definitely going to go for this..
    10-20-2011 09:53 PM
  17. aubreyq's Avatar
    I know you hate contracts (so do I) but with Nokia WP7 phones just around the corner, I personally would like to see what they have to offer. I have the Focus and it's a great phone, but man, Nokia...
    10-20-2011 10:38 PM
  18. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    can the focus (or other AT&T GSM phones) be used on T-Mobile (in case AT&T isn't as great as I'm expecting it to be)? I found a guy who will sell his Focus for $150, so I plan on buying it today. It's going to be hard though, because I planned on trading in my Wii to try and get a 360 today too....expensive day indeed =(
    10-21-2011 07:27 AM
  19. aubreyq's Avatar
    ...It's going to be hard though, because I planned on trading in my Wii to try and get a 360 today too....expensive day indeed =(
    An expensive but very rewarding day :)
    10-21-2011 08:02 AM
  20. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    An expensive but very rewarding day :)
    Indeed lol. I may hold off on the 360 because to me, AT&T is more important because I can get what I'm actually paying for (3G internet use). Yea, it'll be capped, but at least I can USE IT; what good is unlimited if you CAN'T USE IT ANYWHERE? I'm going to call to see how much it would cost me monthly to do this, and if it's not TOO HIGH then I'm definitely doing it.
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    10-21-2011 08:28 AM
  21. palandri's Avatar
    can the focus (or other AT&T GSM phones) be used on T-Mobile (in case AT&T isn't as great as I'm expecting it to be)? I found a guy who will sell his Focus for $150, so I plan on buying it today. It's going to be hard though, because I planned on trading in my Wii to try and get a 360 today too....expensive day indeed =(
    It will work on T-Mobile, but you will only get 2G for data. The Focus is setup get 3G on AT&T in the U.S. and Europe.

    You need to check the UMTS frequency on the phone. My Nokia N8 has pentaband (5 bands) and will get 3G on AT&T, T-Mobile or in Europe.
    10-21-2011 08:54 AM
  22. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    so how will I be able to do this? this guy is ready to meet me to sell the phone in like 2 hours..?

    I'm kind of excited, as I will get to use AT&T for ACTUAL 3G and not have to sign a contract and can opt out of it when I want to =D

    Also, is the Focus oleophobic? I was under the impression it had the same Gorilla Glass as my Nexus S 4G (which handles fingerprints great)....?
    10-21-2011 09:10 AM
  23. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    so i just got the Focus and mine this thing is sweet. The screen is even better than my Nexus S (imo), but I'm still scared to start the AT&T thing. I was going to, but when they talked about Pro-rating and stuff...idk...I couldn't do it at the time.
    10-21-2011 01:05 PM
  24. aubreyq's Avatar
    so i just got the Focus and mine this thing is sweet. The screen is even better than my Nexus S (imo), but I'm still scared to start the AT&T thing. I was going to, but when they talked about Pro-rating and stuff...idk...I couldn't do it at the time.
    Congrats!
    10-21-2011 01:15 PM
  25. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    Congrats!
    Idk...they told me my work discount won't apply because I won't be signing a two year contract. I'm about to call Sprint to see how much my ETF is....
    10-21-2011 01:17 PM
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