12-30-2011 07:56 PM
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  1. mkr10001's Avatar
    File system, ability to download and save files off the internet. Video playing!! I want to watch tvcatchup on my lumia but I can't.

    Flash as well. I know adobe said they were stopping development for flash for mobile....but 99% of sites out there AREN'T. It's all fine and well moving on but don't leave wp7 in the dark. MS better get on this sharpish.

    Also iOS and android developers needs to get off their arses and do apps for wp7.

    Anyone who says wp7 is crap has obviously never used it, need to give it a chance
    12-23-2011 05:03 PM
  2. KingCrimson's Avatar
    The file system thing is not legitimate as that ability does not exist on either iOS or non-rooted Android. The whole point of a mobile phone is ease of use. Fiddling around with the file system goes against that philosophy.

    Flash is no good. Even though my Kindle Fire comes with it, I tried it on a web site for streaming video and it was choppy and awful. Just not enough processing power on mobile devices to support Flash.

    Why should iOS developers bother with a non-existent platform? I know iOS developers making loads of money off that alone and they dislike Microsoft too.

    I've seen plenty of WP7 demos on Youtube, it is impressive but overall the ecosystem is lacking. Not just lack of quality apps, but lack of hardware accessories. Where are the docks?
    12-23-2011 08:41 PM
  3. mhans311's Avatar
    The file system thing is not legitimate as that ability does not exist on either iOS or non-rooted Android. The whole point of a mobile phone is ease of use. Fiddling around with the file system goes against that philosophy.

    Flash is no good. Even though my Kindle Fire comes with it, I tried it on a web site for streaming video and it was choppy and awful. Just not enough processing power on mobile devices to support Flash.

    Why should iOS developers bother with a non-existent platform? I know iOS developers making loads of money off that alone and they dislike Microsoft too.

    I've seen plenty of WP7 demos on Youtube, it is impressive but overall the ecosystem is lacking. Not just lack of quality apps, but lack of hardware accessories. Where are the docks?
    My Droid X came with a file explorer stock.

    Flash is definitely not ideal, but at times it is a necessary evil. Actually, just now to register for this forum I had to use flash on my phone's web browser.

    I do agree that the app support is just not there for wp7. If it were, I would switch tomorrow. That is the main thing holding me back. WP7 design makes iOS and Android look like they were designed by a 10 year old.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
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    12-23-2011 08:55 PM
  4. KingCrimson's Avatar
    My Droid X came with a file explorer stock.

    Flash is definitely not ideal, but at times it is a necessary evil. Actually, just now to register for this forum I had to use flash on my phone's web browser.

    I do agree that the app support is just not there for wp7. If it were, I would switch tomorrow. That is the main thing holding me back. WP7 design makes iOS and Android look like they were designed by a 10 year old.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
    Once again, I don't know what you do with a file system on a mobile device, can you give me some use cases?

    Flash is just no good and Apple has proven it with their success being Flash-free.

    Regarding iOS looking like a UI designed by a 10yo - that is insulting. It's inspired by the OS X GUI which is originally inspired by the Xerox PARC project which i can assure you was not designed by kids. Do you study computing history at all?
    12-23-2011 09:02 PM
  5. jleebiker's Avatar
    Once again, I don't know what you do with a file system on a mobile device, can you give me some use cases?

    Flash is just no good and Apple has proven it with their success being Flash-free.

    Regarding iOS looking like a UI designed by a 10yo - that is insulting. It's inspired by the OS X GUI which is originally inspired by the Xerox PARC project which i can assure you was not designed by kids. Do you study computing history at all?
    File level access-I've had to use my phone as an emergency USB drive from time to time. Not storing of pics or videos or songs, plain files of many diff types. Its convenient to just connect my phone to the PC and move files. Not every PC is connected to a network or the cloud.
    12-23-2011 09:26 PM
  6. Silverdogz's Avatar
    I think there is an option in settings that says recognize as USB drive.

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    12-23-2011 09:29 PM
  7. jleebiker's Avatar
    I think there is an option in settings that says recognize as USB drive.

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    I just checked all the settings and couldn't find anything about it.
    12-23-2011 09:41 PM
  8. mhans311's Avatar
    Originally Posted by mhans311
    My Droid X came with a file explorer stock.

    Flash is definitely not ideal, but at times it is a necessary evil. Actually, just now to register for this forum I had to use flash on my phone's web browser.

    I do agree that the app support is just not there for wp7. If it were, I would switch tomorrow. That is the main thing holding me back. WP7 design makes iOS and Android look like they were designed by a 10 year old.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
    Once again, I don't know what you do with a file system on a mobile device, can you give me some use cases?

    Flash is just no good and Apple has proven it with their success being Flash-free.

    Regarding iOS looking like a UI designed by a 10yo - that is insulting. It's inspired by the OS X GUI which is originally inspired by the Xerox PARC project which i can assure you was not designed by kids. Do you study computing history at all?
    Actually no. I don't study computing history. All I know is that the iOS UI is nothing but a grid of icons. Not very inspiring. Apple is successful because of the apps and the ecosystem, not because of its UI. Apple has some awesome apps and their products look nice. That's why they are so successful.

    I don't like flash either, but apple is successful despite lack of flash support, not because of lack of flash support. It's nice to have the option of using it if I need it.

    I don't use file explorers much but I do use them sometimes to move and rename files.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
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    12-23-2011 09:43 PM
  9. mYth's Avatar
    Wp7 is just a grid of tiles. Not seeing a huge difference. Blackberry is a grid of apps. Android is a grid of apps and widgets. Webos is yeah. You get the point.

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    12-23-2011 11:48 PM
  10. mhans311's Avatar
    Wp7 is just a grid of tiles. Not seeing a huge difference. Blackberry is a grid of apps. Android is a grid of apps and widgets. Webos is yeah. You get the point.

    Sent from my SGH-i677 using Board Express
    Actually android has a lot more options with live updating Widgets and live wallpapers. It only turns into a straight grid when you open the app drawer. WP7 has live tiles that actually change and move and actually give some valuable information without having to open an app for every single thing.

    Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
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    12-24-2011 12:14 AM
  11. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    In my daily life having a rooted and ROM'd DInc, I never use the file explorer. Some people need it, and some people don't.... That's why we have options, and countless devices on the market.

    As for apps, I would much rather see... 50,000 quality apps then 500,000 bloat apps. I'm not saying that WP7 has or doesn't have quality apps... but I still don't see the argument when it comes to app stores. iOS was the first market, and obviously is going to have every app first and foremost. With Android rising to the top very quickly a lot of the iOS apps are being made or ported over to Android. Once WP7 picks up, and becomes the norm and is integrated into society I guarantee we'll see a lot more apps.

    Every phone has a purpose, and everyone has a purpose for a phone. Flock to what you need from your device.
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    12-24-2011 01:27 AM
  12. mkr10001's Avatar
    Symbian aka the original smartphone OS had file system and still does. That is something a smartphone really should have
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    12-24-2011 04:42 AM
  13. lumic's Avatar
    File level access-I've had to use my phone as an emergency USB drive from time to time. Not storing of pics or videos or songs, plain files of many diff types. Its convenient to just connect my phone to the PC and move files. Not every PC is connected to a network or the cloud.
    Mass Storage -> Partitioning -> Mess

    Symbian aka the original smartphone OS had file system and still does. That is something a smartphone really should have
    Provide a use case apart from using a microSD card as a mass storage device, hence introducing partitioning and the subsequent inability to utilise all memory you have for what you want. Besides, does it cause you pain to keep a tiny 8GB thumb drive nearby? I'll even buy you one.
    12-24-2011 06:14 AM
  14. koolkid09's Avatar
    I use astro file manager (a file system) on my phone all the time. I use it to move files from folder to folder, create new folders, hide pictures (that I otherwise would not be able to do on the computer), etc... I couldn't imagine having a phone without one.

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
    12-24-2011 07:06 AM
  15. mkr10001's Avatar
    Mass Storage -> Partitioning -> Mess


    Provide a use case apart from using a microSD card as a mass storage device, hence introducing partitioning and the subsequent inability to utilise all memory you have for what you want. Besides, does it cause you pain to keep a tiny 8GB thumb drive nearby? I'll even buy you one.
    a usb thumb drive won't help me save files to my phone. I would love to (once again ) be able to download a zip file on my phone, unzip and listen to music inside it. Surely the point if a smartphone is to be able to do stuff you can do on a computer bur on your phone
    12-24-2011 08:07 AM
  16. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    I use astro file manager (a file system) on my phone all the time. I use it to move files from folder to folder, create new folders, hide pictures (that I otherwise would not be able to do on the computer), etc... I couldn't imagine having a phone without one.
    Hiding pictures, just email them to yourself. It's what I do all the time. As for folders, I really don't see the necessity other then hiding your pictures.. which there are always alternatives. Which if you don't want people going through your email I'm sure you could easily find a application locker, and just lock up your gmail.

    a usb thumb drive won't help me save files to my phone. I would love to (once again ) be able to download a zip file on my phone, unzip and listen to music inside it. Surely the point if a smartphone is to be able to do stuff you can do on a computer bur on your phone
    Why do you need to zip and unzip the files? Could easily just use Skydrive and download the songs you want and play them from there. I'm not sure if it's possible to play music and or use files right from Skydrive, but I have heard around the forums of people downloading and playing music from Skydrive. Complicating a rather simple task, I think. :X
    12-24-2011 09:10 AM
  17. selfcreation's Avatar
    in the Xbox LIVE HUB .... move the * GET MORE GAMES* to the top!!!

    i have tomany games and havign to scroll to *half page* kinda blows.
    12-24-2011 09:13 AM
  18. mkr10001's Avatar

    Why do you need to zip and unzip the files? Could easily just use Skydrive and download the songs you want and play them from there. I'm not sure if it's possible to play music and or use files right from Skydrive, but I have heard around the forums of people downloading and playing music from Skydrive. Complicating a rather simple task, I think. :X
    no these aren't files I already have. If im away from my computer I'd like to be able to download a variety of files, zips being one of them. Sometimes music comes in a zip file and id like to be able to download and okay it. I don't think that's over implicating a thing, not is it a lot to ask of a smartphone
    12-24-2011 10:45 AM
  19. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    no these aren't files I already have. If im away from my computer I'd like to be able to download a variety of files, zips being one of them. Sometimes music comes in a zip file and id like to be able to download and okay it. I don't think that's over implicating a thing, not is it a lot to ask of a smartphone
    Oh, so you're talking about ripping something from like mediafire and having to deal with rar's and stuff. Then, you would need zip/unzip and file structure... so I can see your point.
    12-24-2011 11:38 AM
  20. Matthew Mazzenga's Avatar
    I can't understand trying to do everything that you can on a computer, on a phone. For as seldomly as I need to download and open a .zip file, I can wait til I get to the laptop/desktop.
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    12-24-2011 11:41 AM
  21. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    I can't understand trying to do everything that you can on a computer, on a phone. For as seldomly as I need to download and open a .zip file, I can wait til I get to the laptop/desktop.
    That's how I feel... A smart phone is a smart phone, at the end of the day it's a phone.
    12-24-2011 11:44 AM
  22. mkr10001's Avatar
    I can't understand trying to do everything that you can on a computer, on a phone. For as seldomly as I need to download and open a .zip file, I can wait til I get to the laptop/desktop.
    yeah that's fine that's your choice. Do you not understand that other people may want things in a phone that you don't necessarily need or want?????!!
    12-24-2011 11:46 AM
  23. mkr10001's Avatar
    That's how I feel... A smart phone is a smart phone, at the end of the day it's a phone.
    SMARTphone. Considering I was unzipping on my old nokias 3/4 years ago.....its not as if what I'm asking is a brand new never done before inconceivable feature. If all you want in a phone is a phone then get yourself a 10 Samsung.


    Technoogy is meant to be going forward. You clearly don't understand what a smartphone is all about if you don't understand that to some extent they are here so you can do things on the go that you would usually need a pc for
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    12-24-2011 11:48 AM
  24. power5's Avatar
    Apple iPhone is so popular BECAUSE of its UI. Before iPhone you had win mobile 6 or something. Apple made phones usable at such a small size. I can barely hit the windows start button on my touch screen Dell. That is how win mobile was but on a much much smaller screen. Apple UI made it so icons were the size of finger tips. All of their input selections are the size of finger tips. That is what catapulted the iPhone success. There were no apps when it launched so saying apps are what made the iPhone what it is today is only partially true. A year after app store launch, which was 2 years after the phone launch, the app store only had 55,000 apps. So iPhone did not become so popular because its apps were in such demand. Same demand and dev involvement as windows phone practically.
    Last edited by power5; 12-24-2011 at 12:38 PM.
    12-24-2011 12:00 PM
  25. Blacklac's Avatar
    The file system thing is not legitimate as that ability does not exist on either iOS or non-rooted Android. The whole point of a mobile phone is ease of use. Fiddling around with the file system goes against that philosophy.

    Flash is no good. Even though my Kindle Fire comes with it, I tried it on a web site for streaming video and it was choppy and awful. Just not enough processing power on mobile devices to support Flash.

    Why should iOS developers bother with a non-existent platform? I know iOS developers making loads of money off that alone and they dislike Microsoft too.

    I've seen plenty of WP7 demos on Youtube, it is impressive but overall the ecosystem is lacking. Not just lack of quality apps, but lack of hardware accessories. Where are the docks?
    Regarding your Kindle and Flash. Its all about the OS and implementation. Considering the Blackberry Playbook uses the same hardware as the Kindle Fire, and it runs Flash very well (zero choppiness), I think that says a lot about Androids implementation.
    12-24-2011 12:06 PM
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