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  1. HeyCori's Avatar
    Aaron Woodman: Director for Windows Phone: Microsoft in a tooth and nail fight with iPhone and Android that may last decades | WMPoweruser

    Speaking to CNET, Microsoft’s Aaron Woodman, director for Windows Phone, has said the battle against iPhone and Windows Phone could last a decade, or even “multiple decades”.

    Acknowledging that Windows Phones may not be selling in huge numbers now, he had a lot of faith that Windows 8 will help turn things around.

    Aaron said Windows 8 will help increase the familiarity of buyers to the new Metro interface and also help show how Windows Phone is differentiated from iPhone and Android.

    He expected 2013, after the launch of Windows 8, to be “the year of Windows Phone”.

    He also expressed the view that Microsoft, with its “endless resources”, has both the money and time to wait out the competition.
    Last edited by HeyCori; 02-29-2012 at 08:17 AM.
    02-29-2012 08:01 AM
  2. dannejanne's Avatar
    In a few years I'm sure WP is something to count on. iPhone will probably "die" at some point in time. Android seems to kind of be digging its own grave lately in some senses. MS will definitely be a strong competitor in the future as time passes and more people get to see what it really is.
    02-29-2012 08:19 AM
  3. bear_lx's Avatar
    In a few years I'm sure WP is something to count on. iPhone will probably "die" at some point in time. Android seems to kind of be digging its own grave lately in some senses. MS will definitely be a strong competitor in the future as time passes and more people get to see what it really is.
    i dont know that iphone or android will ever die, but windows is definately going to be a big threat... i had my doubts recently , but things are now looking brighter... the giveaway on live with kelly was awesome!
    02-29-2012 08:40 AM
  4. Pronk's Avatar
    it won't be decades because things will be different by then anyway I'm sure, but hopefully it'll even out a bit and sooner rather than later. Because although the vote of confidence is nice, we have to be honest - MS won't continue to push and push a product the market isn't buying indefinitely. No company would.
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    02-29-2012 09:07 AM
  5. threed61's Avatar
    The future lies in mobility, Microsoft will be there because they have to. Apple has sold iPhones and iPads way beyond their most devoted base because of the 'cool' factor. One wonders if sales will drop when they inevitably stop being cool.
    02-29-2012 09:34 AM
  6. massifheed's Avatar
    I think that MS are in a similar position now to Apple when the iPhone was released. They have a brand new OS, which people (consumers and reviewers) seem to like, and they have ahead of them a good few years to add features to that OS and help it mature.

    IMO iOS is really starting to show it's age. And it seems harder for Apple to bring fresh ideas to the platform. I also think people get quickly fed up with their phones (and other gadgets) and look for something new often. Certainly, I know quite a few people who have had an iPhone 3/3GS and then upgraded to an iPhone 4, but have left the 4s to go over to Android.

    It's interesting, because there's certainly nothing wrong with iOS, and in quite a few ways I prefer it to WP7, but if you've been with iOS from the beginning, that's nearly five years with the same OS. It makes sense why people look for something else.

    I hope MS can find enough to keep adding to WP to ensure it stays relevent and a pleasure to use, as it is now. I'm half way through my contract, and when that's up I'm sure to get another WP, but I hope once that contract is up the platform will still be good enough to make me want another WP device.
    02-29-2012 09:37 AM
  7. Pronk's Avatar
    I would be very surprised if iOS 6 didn't feature a visual overhaul to go with the iPhone 5 launch. iOS is certainly overdue for one.
    02-29-2012 09:50 AM
  8. anodynamic's Avatar
    The future lies in mobility, Microsoft will be there because they have to. Apple has sold iPhones and iPads way beyond their most devoted base because of the 'cool' factor. One wonders if sales will drop when they inevitably stop being cool.
    I'm not sure the cool factor is the only thing Apple sells on. If you look in any other direction you will see tons of models and varying specifications, while apple offers one new phone and tablet at a time, as well as a tight selection in their computer ranges. That kind of simplicity has a large appeal as well.
    02-29-2012 09:58 AM
  9. selfcreation's Avatar
    dint they also say:

    He expected 2011, after the launch of Windows 7, to be “the year of Windows Phone”.
    He expected 2012, after the launch of Windows phone 7.5, to be “the year of Windows Phone”.
    He expected 2013, after the launch of Windows 8, to be “the year of Windows Phone”.

    lol ,,, come on 2014!!
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    02-29-2012 10:16 AM
  10. threed61's Avatar
    I'm not sure the cool factor is the only thing Apple sells on. If you look in any other direction you will see tons of models and varying specifications, while apple offers one new phone and tablet at a time, as well as a tight selection in their computer ranges. That kind of simplicity has a large appeal as well.
    Yah, exceptional build quality and ease of use too. Not saying Apple will die, but the very large iPhone/iPad sales are driven in part because they've become the coolest toy to have.
    On the other hand, since they are even better at marketing than making products, they may just stay on top.
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    02-29-2012 10:18 AM
  11. Big Supes's Avatar
    MS and Nokia are already sending ripples across the mobile industry. Watch them dominate the emerging markets, with the high-end Apollo devices claiming some serious market share in 2013/14.

    Mark my words ladies and gentlemen. :)
    02-29-2012 10:25 AM
  12. ubizmo's Avatar
    WP doesn't have to take first place to be successful. They're still far behind RIM, let alone iOS and Android. At this point in time, RIM has the most to lose from WP's growth.
    02-29-2012 12:53 PM
  13. theefman's Avatar
    They are moving too slowly, if they moved quicker it wouldn't need decades for them to be successful. iphone and the rest arent going anywhere, still a good product and legions of brainwashed followers. That will be hard to overcome.
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    02-29-2012 01:44 PM
  14. selfcreation's Avatar
    They are moving too slowly, if they moved quicker it wouldn't need decades for them to be successful. iphone and the rest arent going anywhere, still a good product and legions of brainwashed followers. That will be hard to overcome.
    yeah they really need to add features to attract more people ( hardware is coming )

    I think they tried to be innovative by being the firs to add Gaming Ecosystem ( XBOX ) and by doing that and being all excited about XBOX , they completely forgot about key essential features!

    but I think they are aware of it now and are working hard to bring in more to the platform!

    if apollo's hype is accurate, WP would surpass both android and Iphone in NO time in terms of quality/features/and PURE AWESOMENESS!! ( not in terms of sales maybe but the OS it self should really grow)

    I hope any ways :P
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    02-29-2012 02:25 PM
  15. Major's Avatar
    It's incredibly difficult to stay on top forever. If someone came up with a communications device with a photorealistic display, a battery that lasted for days, and a feature packed, smooth interface that never crashed, we would all take notice.
    02-29-2012 02:39 PM
  16. Speebs's Avatar
    I still don't understand why they are moving so slowly on updates and core features. It feels like their WP team is just 5 guys in a room somewhere instead of hundreds like it needs to be. WP7 could easily be an amazing OS and I'm not sure why Microsoft, which definitely has the resources, doesn't really seem to be trying very hard.
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    02-29-2012 03:57 PM
  17. threed61's Avatar
    It's incredibly difficult to stay on top forever. If someone came up with a communications device with a photorealistic display, a battery that lasted for days, and a feature packed, smooth interface that never crashed, we would all take notice.
    I'll join the pre-order list for that.
    02-29-2012 04:06 PM
  18. selfcreation's Avatar
    well we only got 1 update so far! ( aside from nodo copy-past lol ) and they added 500features!!
    the OS is still young so far!! you dont expect your one year old baby to have all his teeth do you? hehe ;)

    We are hopping that the next update (Apollo ) will competently or almost fill the VOID with WP missing features.

    and honestly its not missing that much!! , maybe a bakers dozen...
    we get 1000000000000 of complaints of missing features. but its always the same 10-20 complaints... not missing that much!!!! it maybe feels like its more.
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    02-29-2012 04:11 PM
  19. HeyCori's Avatar
    I'd say Microsoft has been very busy. Between Windows 8, Tango, Apollo, Xbox III, and everything else they're working on, this is the busiest I've seen Microsoft in a while. I know everyone wants MS to just slap down a bunch of code and call it a day, but it's never that simple.
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    02-29-2012 04:30 PM
  20. Speebs's Avatar
    There are features missing that simply should not be, and take WP out of the running as the best OS. For example (and these are just the things bothering me today):

    Cannot forward an email with attachments (attachments are stripped)
    Cannot save attachments locally (at least not PDFs)
    Custom ringtones are difficult
    No option to enable Wifi during sleep (forced to use slow data connection, and if you don't have a data connection, you're out of luck)
    No ringer profiles (toast notifications are constantly waking me up at night - unacceptable)
    No built-in google chat - this is just lame
    No ability to pull up an email address using a nickname (for example if I have "Robert Smith" in my address book and have the nickname set to "Bob," I should be able to type "Bob" and have it suggest his contact information for calls/texts/emails
    "Month" view in calendar is not useful because you can't see individual appointments without clicking on the date
    Lock screen barely shows any info and doesn't show third-party notifications
    Toasts are simply lost once they disappear from the screen (wtf?)
    Cannot go "back" in IE (um... why)
    Screen unlock passcode MUST be 4 numbers (why can't it be more complex?)


    there are more, I just can't think of them off the top of my head.
    Last edited by Speebs; 02-29-2012 at 05:07 PM.
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    02-29-2012 04:54 PM
  21. Big Supes's Avatar
    I'd say Microsoft has been very busy. Between Windows 8, Tango, Apollo, Xbox III, and everything else they're working on, this is the busiest I've seen Microsoft in a while. I know everyone wants MS to just slap down a bunch of code and call it a day, but it's never that simple.
    This!

    People are quick to insist MS get their products out within a quick turnaround, yet the same people would take it personally when the rush product breaks down on them.

    MS have clearly learned from their past mistakes that you can't just rush stuff out there, if you're to be taken seriously.
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    02-29-2012 05:17 PM
  22. Speebs's Avatar
    This!

    People are quick to insist MS get their products out within a quick turnaround, yet the same people would take it personally when the rush product breaks down on them.

    MS have clearly learned from their past mistakes that you can't just rush stuff out there, if you're to be taken seriously.
    Sometimes this forum makes me want to facepalm myself to death.

    MS has no choice but to pick up the pace. They are YEARS behind their competition and they need to catch up fast, but without rushing. That means allotting more resources. They have the advantage of being able to learn from their competition, so there shouldn't be as many mistakes, and they should already know exactly what kinds of features people will find useful.

    In short: Yes, I want this particular MS product turned around quickly, because 1) MS has a lot to gain, 2) I think WP has great potential to be the best OS out there for years to come, and 3) MS definitely has the resources to do this quickly without releasing a buggy product. I have no evidence that they're really trying to make WP a viable alternative.
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    02-29-2012 05:34 PM
  23. selfcreation's Avatar
    There are features missing that simply should not be, and take WP out of the running as the best OS. For example (and these are just the things bothering me today):

    Cannot forward an email with attachments (attachments are stripped)
    Cannot save attachments locally (at least not PDFs)
    Custom ringtones are difficult
    No option to enable Wifi during sleep (forced to use slow data connection, and if you don't have a data connection, you're out of luck)
    No ringer profiles (toast notifications are constantly waking me up at night - unacceptable)
    No built-in google chat - this is just lame
    No ability to pull up an email address using a nickname (for example if I have "Robert Smith" in my address book and have the nickname set to "Bob," I should be able to type "Bob" and have it suggest his contact information for calls/texts/emails
    "Month" view in calendar is not useful because you can't see individual appointments without clicking on the date
    Lock screen barely shows any info and doesn't show third-party notifications
    Toasts are simply lost once they disappear from the screen (wtf?)
    Cannot go "back" in IE (um... why)
    Screen unlock passcode MUST be 4 numbers (why can't it be more complex?)


    there are more, I just can't think of them off the top of my head.
    1. Cannot forward an email with attachments (attachments are stripped) Yes you can! just did it.

    2. Cannot save attachments locally (at least not PDFs): Thats because its Auto save! lol (open adopt reader its waiting for you)

    3.enable WIFi during sleep? what you mean here? like a physical button?

    4. you can change the Ring profile by lowering volume/hitting vibrate! mine dont wake me up!

    5. No built-in google chat - this is just lame : LOL thats cause its not a google phone! we have MSN! next thing you know people complain about not having BBM on WP.

    6: my address book and have the nickname set to "Bob," I should be able to type "Bob" and have it suggest his contact information for calls/texts/emails: or you could open the people HUb (the way MS designed it ) type the letter B and you have it!

    7. Toasts are simply lost once they disappear from the screen (wtf?) like when you get a txt you cant tell some one sent you a text? did you try looking at the live tiles?

    8: Lock screen barely shows any info and doesn't show third-party notifications: homebrew coming that will give more info :)

    9. im not sure what ever one means with cannot go back in IE, i can go back to previous page or others app no problem.

    10: screen lock , meh personal preference. Iphone doesn't ether.


    11: Custom ringtones are difficult?? did you try downloading an app that allow you to make ring tones in 5sec flat! lol check out my help thread in the CUSTOMIZING YOUR WP section


    basically the only feature I see on that list that are missing is ether because you dint know it could do it . or you want Google products on MS devices. OR personal preference...

    i would NOT call that YEARS BEHIND!! so i re-write my previous statement.

    WP is not missing that many features!.
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 02-29-2012 at 06:00 PM.
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    02-29-2012 05:52 PM
  24. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    I think Microsoft is overestimating the time it has left if it thinks it can just wait it out. The company does not have 2 years. Technology isn't going to wait for it and it's only a matter of time before Android attacks PCs. The new crop of smartphones Tegra 3 smartphones are already as fast as a lot of general use computers and tablets are becoming laptops with detachable keyboards. If Windows OS (the PC version) dies, Microsoft is just dead.

    No option to enable Wifi during sleep (forced to use slow data connection, and if you don't have a data connection, you're out of luck)
    Wifi is enabled during sleep by default! (I know this because my email updates itself during sleep and I don't have a data plan.) Turn off Battery Saver and leave Wifi "On" in Settings. Don't know why you would think that Wifi is ever turned off because it is clearly left on.

    Cannot go "back" in IE (um... why)
    The back button is right on your phone! It's huge! Can you not see it? You can also go back by selection "Recent" from the options. I'm bothered by the inability to go forward, actually.

    Se1fcr3ation is right. Most of your list of "missing" WP functions are from the result of your unfamiliarity of the OS.
    Last edited by Sentimentgx4; 02-29-2012 at 06:23 PM.
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    02-29-2012 06:18 PM
  25. Big Supes's Avatar
    "Years behind the competition" is a massive reach.

    I can only speak for myself, but it doesn't feel all that long ago since we received the Mango update... and now Windows Phone 8 is around the corner, which is going to bring the hardware and seriously tighten up the ecosystem.

    I don't feel hard done-by at all. MS are in this for the long haul. Windows Phone 8 is timed to be released around the same time as Windows 8. It doesn't get any better than that. Think - Nokia Apollo handsets running multi cores, high screen res, and 40+ MP cameras that'll sync across Windows/Xbox Live services via the cloud and share compatibility with apps downloaded via a PC or tablet. I don't know about anyone, but I'm stoked for what's on the horizon.
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    02-29-2012 06:26 PM
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