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  1. Seketh's Avatar
    I created a new thread so that this post wouldn't become somewhat lost in the already existing discussions.

    Anyway, a portuguese Windows Phone (developer) Evangelist said in a recent interview to the portuguese technology forum "Zwame", that official word from Microsoft is that Apollo will come to all released Windows Phones, including 1G devices. This is stated very cleary.

    The interview can be watched here: , it's in portuguese though.

    This should be considered as trustworthy insider information, so speculation should end.

    Other interesting information is that an Apollo developer technical preview for close Microsoft partners/ developers will be available "very soon" and that an official detailed announcement about Apollo is coming in the next few months.
    Last edited by Seketh; 03-14-2012 at 08:32 PM.
    03-14-2012 08:26 PM
  2. selfcreation's Avatar
    well i dont understand portuguese , so ...

    id still like to hear it from MS.
    03-14-2012 09:26 PM
  3. eric12341's Avatar
    I only speak English and Spanish, I could probably transcode Portugese with my knowledge of Spanish.
    03-14-2012 10:19 PM
  4. Seketh's Avatar
    I only speak English and Spanish, I could probably transcode Portugese with my knowledge of Spanish.
    I'm Portuguese, so what I posted here is what I listened to in that interview.

    Take it with a grain of salt, obviously, as it's not official, but this is the best and most reliable insider info we ever got about Apollo coming to current devices. The guy was also pretty reserved and careful of what he said, so I'm sure this is something he knew he could "leak".

    To add credibility to his statement, this guy is also responsible for an official Microsoft portuguese website: App Me Up - which is a website dedicated to educate and incentivate portuguese developers to create Windows Phone apps.
    Last edited by Seketh; 03-15-2012 at 01:01 AM. Reason: spelling
    03-15-2012 12:05 AM
  5. kenzibit's Avatar
    Nice, lets hope and pray all is well. Can't imagine my new looking and smart HTC HD7 not getting Apollo. At least will be cool if I even get it based on Hardware limitations than not getting it at all.
    03-15-2012 12:08 AM
  6. lavalleema's Avatar
    I hope it's accurate, but I'd feel better if MS would announce it. It seems odd that they'd say something like that to a European developer and leave everyone else in the world in the dark... but who knows what they are thinking from one moment to another.
    03-15-2012 01:18 AM
  7. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Updates come from the carriers and MS can't make promises for the carriers, I think that's why they can't say. I don't believe its a matter of can devices run it, it's a matter of will the carriers do it?
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    03-15-2012 01:33 AM
  8. DontHate707's Avatar
    appollo coming out in a few months? bulllll maybe a annoucment or something if the earliest we'd see a release date is September
    03-15-2012 03:19 AM
  9. anodynamic's Avatar
    Here's a Google-translated bit from Microsoft Italy (Windows Phone Italy | Stefania Duico di Microsoft Italia parla del futuro di Windows Phone 'Tango' e 'Apollo' ):


    Q: Is it true that phones based on Windows Phone 7.5 Phone will not be upgradeable to Windows 8?
    A: The Windows Phone team has always been attentive to the satisfaction of its consumers and remain committed to providing our customers the best experience possible, primarily by ensuring that all applications currently on the Marketplace will also run on the next operating system release.


    No idea how to interpret that. Either it means all old app support is good because no one will loose any apps when they get updated, or it means that developers should stick to WP7 apps for a while if they want to reach both new and old phone users.

    In other words, everybody is talking a lot without actually saying much of anything. As usual... :)
    03-15-2012 03:36 AM
  10. Eirenarch's Avatar
    Here's a Google-translated bit from Microsoft Italy (Windows Phone Italy | Stefania Duico di Microsoft Italia parla del futuro di Windows Phone 'Tango' e 'Apollo' ):


    Q: Is it true that phones based on Windows Phone 7.5 Phone will not be upgradeable to Windows 8?
    A: The Windows Phone team has always been attentive to the satisfaction of its consumers and remain committed to providing our customers the best experience possible, primarily by ensuring that all applications currently on the Marketplace will also run on the next operating system release.


    No idea how to interpret that. Either it means all old app support is good because no one will loose any apps when they get updated, or it means that developers should stick to WP7 apps for a while if they want to reach both new and old phone users.

    In other words, everybody is talking a lot without actually saying much of anything. As usual... :)
    The part about app compatibility is old news. We already know apps will be compatible. MS related people ALWAYS bring this up when asked about device compatibility as if we're idiots. The P.R. people at Microsoft should be shot or at least sued by investors especially if it turns out that Apollo will come to current devices.
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    03-15-2012 03:42 AM
  11. aubreyq's Avatar
    Another thread with unofficial information. *sigh*
    03-15-2012 06:02 AM
  12. aubreyq's Avatar
    The part about app compatibility is old news. We already know apps will be compatible. MS related people ALWAYS bring this up when asked about device compatibility as if we're idiots. The P.R. people at Microsoft should be shot or at least sued by investors especially if it turns out that Apollo will come to current devices.
    Yeah, the guy is talking about app compatibility, not about the OS itself. Same old story, but the guy is just saying what he's told to say until MS has something more concrete to release to the public. Not his fault.
    03-15-2012 06:06 AM
  13. Pronk's Avatar
    My money is on things not being the worst case scenario, but it not being great news either. That's why we're getting the stuff about app compatibility from everyone even if they're directly asked about hardware. Most customers would probably accept that original generation phones wouldn't be upgradeable without too much fuss, and by the time Apollo comes around most 2-year and 18-month original generation phone contracts would be coming to an end/already over, so this continued fudging says to me some newer phones might not make the cut either.

    There's no other reason for it - sowing seeds of doubt for the sake of it would be ridiculous. I expect the "announcement" will be a very small print thing hidden behind a lot of trumpeting of what Windows Phone 8 can do.
    03-15-2012 06:58 AM
  14. Eirenarch's Avatar
    Yeah, the guy is talking about app compatibility, not about the OS itself. Same old story, but the guy is just saying what he's told to say until MS has something more concrete to release to the public. Not his fault.
    It is his fault. He is being asked completely different question. Where I live there is this story about the student that learner perfectly just a single biology lesson in school about the cucumber

    "The cucumber is a vegetable that contains 98% water..." etc. etc.

    He didn't know any other lesson so on tests and when teachers asked him he always managed to twist the question in relation to the lesson about the cucumber. For example on the geography question when asked where the Sahara desert is he would answer:

    "Sahara is a desert which makes it inappropriate for growing cucumbers and cucumbers are vegetables that container 98% water..."

    This is what these guys are doing right now. They are telling us the cucumber lesson no matter what the question is. If they don't know or they can't tell they should say so.
    03-15-2012 07:31 AM
  15. Pronk's Avatar
    I think it's slightly different. I think they do know (Apollo must be far enough along by now that they'll know what it runs on), but don't want to tell us.

    And that's what makes me feel uneasy about it.
    03-15-2012 08:05 AM
  16. Gmotagi's Avatar
    Well the fact that they havnt anounced it tells us all we need to know i.e. "we hope it will but we dont know yet". Think of it this way MS will want every possible WP7 phone to be upgradable, by not saying anything yet they either :-

    1. Know Apollo wont run on 7.1 but dont want to kill the current 7.1 phone markets yet.
    2. Know it may be possible to run on 7.1 but need to optimise the W8 OS some more to be sure.
    3. & 4. like 1 & 2 but for 7.5
    03-15-2012 08:10 AM
  17. Eirenarch's Avatar
    Well the fact that they havnt anounced it tells us all we need to know i.e. "we hope it will but we dont know yet". Think of it this way MS will want every possible WP7 phone to be upgradable, by not saying anything yet they either :-

    1. Know Apollo wont run on 7.1 but dont want to kill the current 7.1 phone markets yet.
    2. Know it may be possible to run on 7.1 but need to optimise the W8 OS some more to be sure.
    3. & 4. like 1 & 2 but for 7.5
    Actually when it comes to Microsoft we are not sure what it means. Their marketing teams are full of idiots. With the first Windows 8 video they mentioned HTML + JS and then went silent for 6 months while the whole community of windows devs was raging and managers were dropping projects and retraining people. They didn't utter a single word on different options for development and caused great damage to the .NET community just to announce 6 months later that .NET and C++ are supported equally well (even better in my opinion) for Win 8 metro apps. I still don't have any explaination of why they did this except that the marketing stuff is full of idiots.

    Maybe Apollo won't run on older devices and they are silent because of this or maybe it will run just fine but the same idiots are in charge for the WP8 marketing and they have decided to stay silent on the issue on purpose.
    03-15-2012 10:53 AM
  18. Seketh's Avatar
    appollo coming out in a few months? bulllll maybe a annoucment or something if the earliest we'd see a release date is September
    Learn to read. I wrote announcement!


    Anyway, has there ever been an unofficial "leak" that clearly states that Apollo isn't coming to current Windows Phones?

    Microsoft hasn't been clear officially, but I don't recall ever reading a statement like that!
    03-15-2012 11:19 AM
  19. canesfan625's Avatar
    Updates come from the carriers and MS can't make promises for the carriers, I think that's why they can't say. I don't believe its a matter of can devices run it, it's a matter of will the carriers do it?
    omg you "carriers" people. I wish that someone would make a sticky. For the 15 billionth time. Carriers are CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED to push major updates. Why they haven't said is because Apollo is an UNANNOUNCED product. When Apollo is announced then we will know. It really is that simple.
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    03-15-2012 11:19 AM
  20. trazer's Avatar
    But they can skip an update correct? I'm still waiting on the last update released months ago to hit my phone to no avail.

    Currently as far as I can tell the only way to be sure you are current is to get a new phone running the new version as it may be months or more before you ever see it. If they can skip then it I may never be fully up to date. Regardless, it's a mess.
    03-15-2012 03:47 PM
  21. canesfan625's Avatar
    But they can skip an update correct? I'm still waiting on the last update released months ago to hit my phone to no avail.

    Currently as far as I can tell the only way to be sure you are current is to get a new phone running the new version as it may be months or more before you ever see it. If they can skip then it I may never be fully up to date. Regardless, it's a mess.
    you can manually update your device from a thread over on XDA. Not getting 1 minor update (yet) is hardly a mess though
    03-15-2012 04:49 PM
  22. Silverdogz's Avatar
    I highly doubt that MS will leave 1G/2G out in the cold especially if they were released in 2012 I'm looking at you Titan 2

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    03-15-2012 05:29 PM
  23. Seketh's Avatar
    But they can skip an update correct? I'm still waiting on the last update released months ago to hit my phone to no avail.

    Currently as far as I can tell the only way to be sure you are current is to get a new phone running the new version as it may be months or more before you ever see it. If they can skip then it I may never be fully up to date. Regardless, it's a mess.
    No, it's simple actually:

    Hotfixes (7760 / 7780) are optional for the carriers, but these hotfixes are included in major updates (Mango, Tango, Apollo), which are mandatory.

    This was probably a way for Microsoft to concede to terrible carriers (like AT&T), since some carriers don't give a crap about their costumers.

    I think that's actually one of the reasons why crappy carriers love Android: "Want to update your phone? Get a new one!"
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    03-15-2012 05:37 PM
  24. oldpueblo's Avatar
    omg you "carriers" people. I wish that someone would make a sticky. For the 15 billionth time. Carriers are CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED to push major updates. Why they haven't said is because Apollo is an UNANNOUNCED product. When Apollo is announced then we will know. It really is that simple.
    That's good to hear except for one thing. WHICH phones are they contractually obligated to update? If ALL of the phones can get the update but the carrier doesn't WANT to update all of them, then yes they are still likely the reason for no information. It's entirely possible that MS wants to make those promises, but can't. If they were contractually obligated to update all phones, then that puts the ball back in MS court and why would they say nothing about it? The carriers once again being dicks makes perfect sense and all the pieces fit together. It's still conjecture, but a solid one I think.
    03-15-2012 05:40 PM
  25. Seketh's Avatar
    That's good to hear except for one thing. WHICH phones are they contractually obligated to update? If ALL of the phones can get the update but the carrier doesn't WANT to update all of them, then yes they are still likely the reason for no information. It's entirely possible that MS wants to make those promises, but can't. If they were contractually obligated to update all phones, then that puts the ball back in MS court and why would they say nothing about it? The carriers once again being dicks makes perfect sense and all the pieces fit together. It's still conjecture, but a solid one I think.
    Read the post above yours and all of them!
    03-15-2012 05:43 PM
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