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    I saw this. Iphone isn't necessarily poorly design, it's elegant and luxurious. The problem is that it is very fragile (much like apple products) and once you drop it, it's broken, so in a way it is incorrectly designed. Big words though from Nokia who have yet to release a smartphone.
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    I was wowed by the iphone design... When the iphone 4 was released. Now I'm bored with the design. I'm hoping Nokia and Apple can push each other to releasing some great phones.

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    It's important to note that the headline is completely inaccurate.

    The Nokia guy says that "Apple’s user interface on the iPhone is “poorly designed” and convoluted." And makes some points to that effect. He says nothing about the actual handset design.

    Unfortunately it's a deliberately inflammatory article title designed to get page views from the angry apple mob.
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    Yeah that is true. Again, the interface is not necessarily convoluted, just not as simple, fast, and viscerally appealing as Mango.
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    Definite hit piece. Not everyone here may be a fan of iOS, but to suggest it's poorly designed and convoluted is ridiculous.
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    huh? you been living under a rock for the last 10 years? Nokia has not released a smartphone yet? ROFL! comment like that make me lose hope in humanity.
    Quote Originally Posted by RiseAgainst94 View Post
    Big words though from Nokia who have yet to release a smartphone.



    as for the Iphone having a poor design , that's true out of ALL the phone out their its probably the worst .. doesn't mean it doesn't look good.

    but looking good and having a bad design are 2 different things.

    few things about the Iphone that are *bad*

    1. no edge glass protection, this is horrible : drop it once and your lucky if it dint shatter the glass.
    2. horrible antenna placements causing allot of reception problems ( and sorry but software cant fix this crap even doh they claim it did )
    3. 3.5 inch screen lol terrible. specially when most people want 4 to 4.5 ( according to the latest statistics)
    4. no LTE witch is gona hurt , believe it or not.
    5. Its made by Apple! lol j/k

    the Iphone is FAR from perfect! not saying its BAD , but it does have poor design, mind you will probably find just as much if not more *POOR design* on the Nokia 900,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Se1fcr3ation View Post
    huh? you been living under a rock for the last 10 years? Nokia has not released a smartphone yet? ROFL! comment like that make me lose hope in humanity.





    as for the Iphone having a poor design , that's true out of ALL the phone out their its probably the worst .. doesn't mean it doesn't look good.

    but looking good and having a bad design are 2 different things.

    few things about the Iphone that are *bad*

    1. no edge glass protection, this is horrible : drop it once and your lucky if it dint shatter the glass.
    2. horrible antenna placements causing allot of reception problems ( and sorry but software cant fix this crap even doh they claim it did )
    3. 3.5 inch screen lol terrible. specially when most people want 4 to 4.5 ( according to the latest statistics)
    4. no LTE witch is gona hurt , believe it or not.
    5. Its made by Apple! lol j/k
    I meant in the United States under contract that could compete with the Iphone. Of course they have, but they are far away from doing damage to Apple and it's kind of ridiculous to bash on a company doing so well when they have yet to release a phone that can compete with what Apple has released in the past 2-3 years. I'd rather see them praise their upcoming phones then to denounce a company that has done well for themselves. I personally can't stand Apple, but I don't think they make "bad" products.
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    well thats your opinion ,

    but ALL windows phone right now compete with Apple . noT because FANboys are addicted to apple that its not competing.

    the only reason apple is soo good is cause of its fanboy base for apple products.
    im sorry but the Iphone is a HORRIBLE phone! the only thing that makes it good is the APPS

    when was the last time you saw an apple commercial that talks about something else aside from all the apps they DID NOT MAKE or their new useless camera? lol

    oh yeah Iphone is great! cause of the devs.. not apple.
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    Oh I definitely think that Windows 7.5 is a lot better than Apple, that's why I'm here on wpcentral. However, I do think that they have very nice screens (though not durable), very good cameras, a smooth operating system, yes, lots of apps, luxurious design, and passable product support.

    There are many problems with Apple products of course, which I don't want to waste my time listing. But Yes, my opinion differs from yours in that I don't think that Apple is completely incompetent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Se1fcr3ation View Post
    1. no edge glass protection, this is horrible : drop it once and your lucky if it dint shatter the glass.
    2. horrible antenna placements causing allot of reception problems ( and sorry but software cant fix this crap even doh they claim it did )
    3. 3.5 inch screen lol terrible. specially when most people want 4 to 4.5 ( according to the latest statistics)
    4. no LTE witch is gona hurt , believe it or not.
    5. Its made by Apple! lol j/k
    Believe it or not, that is actually a VERY short list and some of the issues have even been fixed. For example, iPhones no longer have bad reception.

    Phones from other manufacturers, esp. HTC, Motorola, and Nokia, have hordes of critical issues 10x worse than iPhone issues that are never even addressed! Battery life, reception, GPS, serious OS issues. etc. Find me a phone where I can only make 4 complaints about and I'd buy it in a snap.

    The biggest issue I have with the iPhone will always be the price followed by the display size. There's some serious pent up demand for a 4" iPhone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Se1fcr3ation View Post
    well thats your opinion ,

    but ALL windows phone right now compete with Apple . noT because FANboys are addicted to apple that its not competing.

    the only reason apple is soo good is cause of its fanboy base for apple products.
    im sorry but the Iphone is a HORRIBLE phone! the only thing that makes it good is the APPS

    when was the last time you saw an apple commercial that talks about something else aside from all the apps they DID NOT MAKE or their new useless camera? lol

    oh yeah Iphone is great! cause of the devs.. not apple.
    Yeah... no. I'm a WP7 fan boy to the max but the iPhone is a GREAT phone. When recommending a smartphone to someone, I always say iPhone is the safe bet before praising WP7, because it's 100% true.
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    I agree. I've recommend the iphone for man friends, non have disliked it. Some do dislike using itunes, but the phone itself is A+ for new users.
    Quote Originally Posted by btbam91 View Post
    Yeah... no. I'm a WP7 fan boy to the max but the iPhone is a GREAT phone. When recommending a smartphone to someone, I always say iPhone is the safe bet before praising WP7, because it's 100% true.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentimentgx4 View Post
    Believe it or not, that is actually a VERY short list and some of the issues have even been fixed. For example, iPhones no longer have bad reception.

    Phones from other manufacturers, esp. HTC, Motorola, and Nokia, have hordes of critical issues 10x worse than iPhone issues that are never even addressed! Battery life, reception, GPS, serious OS issues. etc. Find me a phone where I can only make 4 complaints about and I'd buy it in a snap.

    The biggest issue I have with the iPhone will always be the price followed by the display size. There's some serious pent up demand for a 4" iPhone.
    yeah but again most of the things I mention is personal preference. I personalty hate the feel and look of it ( looks like a 12 year old baby doll phone (to me ) ) but to other its elegant professional looking and all that nick nack.

    if I Grab my buds Iphone and play with it some more im sure at 100% i can find ALLOT of things about it that I dont like..

    #6 cant remove battery = worst bleep ever! I hate that . but again it doesn't matter for 80% of the people out there. I understand that.

    Quote Originally Posted by btbam91 View Post
    Yeah... no. I'm a WP7 fan boy to the max but the iPhone is a GREAT phone. When recommending a smartphone to someone, I always say iPhone is the safe bet before praising WP7, because it's 100% true.
    its a safe bet to say Iphone has every app you'll ever need. its not a save bet to say the Iphone will never have problems and your gona love it!.

    Ive never had a problem with my Samsung Focus Rev1.3, does that mean its a save bet? **** NO!!!!

    the only safe bet about Iphone is that its the same generic boring UI as the last 6 years. and the only innovation they have done is a better camera and screen. it has just as many problem as other phones.

    One thing you should all learn from cellphones is: its NEVER a safe Bet. no matter the phone or OS.

    one guy had a bad experience with a DOA WP and say im never going back to WP . if that client would have had a non-defective phone he might still be with WP and saying im never gonna back to Iphone.... ALLOT of factors come into play with this stuff.

    in the end they are good. simply depends on what you wanna do. and a morality of sales now a dayz is from EAR TO MOUTH! so if all you WP users keep pushing Iphone like you say you do , then stop compla9ning about WP not selling cause your partially responsible.

    would Catholics be Catholics with out Jesus spreading the word.
    Would Muslims be Muslims with out Mohammed the profit Spreading the word.
    Would Jews be jews with out Abraham .... probably not.....

    So spread the holy WP love instead. much more productive :)
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    so everyone likes the iPhone so why are we here?
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    I love the "the road from the kitchen into the dining room is always through the front door" quote. That is exactly how I feel about iOS and why I have really appreciated WP.

    As for the usual quibbling in the posts above me, the fact of the matter is that the we all need to be aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each OS. If someone likes social networks, Office, or Xbox Achievements, lead them toward Windows Phone. If someone likes to tinker with settings, send them to Android. If someone wants something that is going to have tons of apps and has really high build quality, then send them to iOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulm187 View Post
    so everyone likes the iPhone so why are we here?
    One major issue with WP is that there are no guarantees on the hardware. Plenty of OEMs make awful WPs (or Androids) and it's not Microsoft's (or Google's) fault at all! Hardware failure is not uncommon.

    Apple OS + Apple Hardware = Safest Bet. The only other safe bet is WP/Google OS + Samsung hardware, I think; but, Samsungs tend to be more expensive and have awful build quality. Also, everyday consumers do not know which hardware manufacturers are good or bad. WP and Android's quality and brand name are basically diluted by incompetent OEMs.

    Microsoft has actually tried to solve the problem by mandating SoCs, screen resolution, MP in camera, etc.; but, to no avail. HTC Surrounds are still bricking for no apparent reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentimentgx4 View Post
    One major issue with WP is that there are no guarantees on the hardware. Plenty of OEMs make awful WPs (or Androids) and it's not Microsoft's (or Google's) fault at all! Hardware failure is not uncommon.

    Apple OS + Apple Hardware = Safest Bet. The only other safe bet is WP/Google OS + Samsung hardware, I think; but, Samsungs tend to be more expensive and have awful build quality. Also, everyday consumers do not know which hardware manufacturers are good or bad. WP and Android's quality and brand name are basically diluted by incompetent OEMs.

    Microsoft has actually tried to solve the problem by mandating SoCs, screen resolution, MP in camera, etc.; but, to no avail. HTC Surrounds are still bricking for no apparent reason.
    HTC Windows phones in my experience with two models are really well-built, but not very fashionable. From what I've seen, Samsung and Nokia Windows phones are definitely more fashionable, but from what I've read, they are more likely to have some build quality oversights (example: complaints about micro-USB port covers snapping off on the new Nokia Lumia 800). The iPhone can offer a good operating system AND a fashionable design AND good build quality. Operating system versus operating system, I like WP better, but it seems like every WP on the market makes you choose between style and solid build quality.
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    I've had several, got bored of iOS and really got peeved at itunes. But for someone who's never used one, it's a good buy.
    Quote Originally Posted by paulm187 View Post
    so everyone likes the iPhone so why are we here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pronk View Post
    Definite hit piece. Not everyone here may be a fan of iOS, but to suggest it's poorly designed and convoluted is ridiculous.
    why are you always overly defensive of the iPhone?

    Quote Originally Posted by btbam91 View Post
    Yeah... no. I'm a WP7 fan boy to the max but the iPhone is a GREAT phone. When recommending a smartphone to someone, I always say iPhone is the safe bet before praising WP7, because it's 100% true.
    Quote Originally Posted by 1jaxstate1 View Post
    I agree. I've recommend the iphone for man friends, non have disliked it. Some do dislike using itunes, but the phone itself is A+ for new users.




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    how is it 100% true and A+ when all it is is an app launcher and you can't even change the safari user agent settings? My sis is always complaining that she keeps getting redirected to mobile sites, this never happens to me on WP and hasn't happened since WM6.1.21052
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    You do realize that a lot of people here use multiple devices.
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    why are you always overly defensive of the iPhone?





    how is it 100% true and A+ when all it is is an app launcher and you can't even change the safari user agent settings? My sis is always complaining that she keeps getting redirected to mobile sites, this never happens to me on WP and hasn't happened since WM6.1.21052


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitlov View Post
    ...Operating system versus operating system...

    I consider the operating system to be the underpinnings, and the user inteface what people really tend to love or hate.
    iOS has a rather stable OS. Same as Windows Phone. Few people can say the same for Android.
    As far as User Interface, iOS is not bad, Android is horrible, and Windows Phone is the best. The WP interface just ties everything together much better. Things make sense. Plus, the fact that it is just plain beautiful steps it above others.

    My humble opinion, of course...

    And sorry BlackBerry and webOS users, for not including you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1jaxstate1 View Post
    You do realize that a lot of people here use multiple devices.




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    that does not answer my question
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    Been using the 4S for a few months and like it quite a bit. Use my Omnia 7 as a media player.

    WP is a great OS, and when more devs jump on board so it can continue to evolve, I will definitely be a phone force to reckon with.

    IOS vs WP, WP wins hands down for ease of use/speed of getting into contacts, email and keyboard for sure.

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    I am not sure I would say the iPhone was poor in deisgn either in OS or Hardware. Yes it has faults but it is not poor. Some poor design decisions driven by styling yes but those same decisions drive sales so they may be poor on one level but good on another.

    Apples issue for me is they simply are not worth the money thats the biggest issue. I also think the Nokia style is as good and in some respects better than the current Apple design. I also think the 7.5 OS is streets ahead in key areas against Apple but they do have lots of commendable features too but I would give it to the Windows Phone again.

    Apple have got themselves in a bit of a rut the next Apple phone will almost certainly be an LTE device with a larger screen but this forces apple to produce two distinct models besides simple GB variants. Contrary to popular belief LTE is not a major issue for the majority of the world at least not yet and probably not for a couple of years. Its home market is however slightly obsessive about this feature. The other is screen size whereas some will want a bigger screen a lot will not.

    It will be interesting to see how they go about this and how much the design changes. I think if they want to stay top of the heap for smartphones they are going to have to produce a price which does match its perceived design value which may mean comprimised which will probably mean it will not happen.
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