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    Saw this great article (http://www.windowscentral.com/nokia-...exclusive-apps) and it's worth discussion. Actually I'm pissed about what Nokia is doing. Is it by force to use a Nokia device?? If I dont, why I'm I being punnised for it by not getting some good apps?

    Nokia has made moves to gain some big titles (and leverage) for their hardware. Who does it hurt? Who does it benefit and is it a good thing? I say a BIG NO, it's not a good thing. Good for Nokia but not for the OS (Windows Phone)

    The real deal is, Nokia’s strategy to get these apps and games on their hardware will definetely hurt Windows Phone and I can see Nokia's Version of Windows Phone coming out real soon and it aint good.

    Pissed this morning, Always Nokia, Nokia, Nokia all ove the news with exclusive good apps.....WTF :mad:
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    It must Nokia cost many millions of dollars to build and support those apps. Such things are expensive, man, and that's the main reason companies like HTC don't do the same (except for some so-so apps like notes and such).

    I can see why you would like Nokia to spend those millions and then give those apps for free to all WP7 users, also HTC users like you, but I would not like Nokia to do so. Why? Because making such gifts to competitors is an excellent way for a company to bankrupt itself, and I don't think Nokia going broke could be in any way good for WP7.

    If you ask me, you should direct the energy of your anger towards HTC and say to them if they do not deliver something comparable you jump ship real quick and land in Nokia's arms.
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    its working already for Nokia because your pissed you bought a phone from a manufacture who doesn't care about promoting the OS, when they could of.

    If you don't want to use Nokia, then wait for the Apps.

    Once the market has grown, more developers will show up and develop for all.

    Till then i am supporting a manufacture who actually cares.

    My parting words, if it wasn't for Nokia, you think other manufacture would push companies like PayPal to make an app on WP7? Other manufacture had over 2 years.
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    The truth is, I am getting what I need from this platform now. If Nokia entices developers to bring more value to the platform, it will be good in the long run. Do I like exclusive agreements? No! But if it brings a good result in the end I will live through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalb View Post
    Or get an iPhone.
    lol what a silly comment because what Nokia is doing is bringing apps to WP7 faster. If Market share for WP grows the most critical apps will be in the marketplace and Developers wouldn't feel the need to do the exclusive route since they want a larger market.

    Iphone apps. Sure it has 1 billion, zillion apps, but how many of them are freaking clones of each other.

    WP just needs the core apps that are commonly used (like paypal, pandoria, etc), with Nokia we are getting closer.
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    I think that it is good that Nokia is making these deals. It will be good un the long run as the apps will be available over time. Nokia deserves to have some benefit for doing the deals and spending the time/money.

    I can understand why others would be upset not to get the apps right away. But like what has been mentioned take that frustration to your manufacturer to get deals done.



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    Quote Originally Posted by smapor View Post
    lol what a silly comment because what Nokia is doing is bringing apps to WP7 faster. If Market share for WP grows the most critical apps will be in the marketplace and Developers wouldn't feel the need to do the exclusive route since they want a larger market.

    Iphone apps. Sure it has 1 billion, zillion apps, but how many of them are freaking clones of each other.

    WP just needs the core apps that are commonly used (like paypal, pandoria, etc), with Nokia we are getting closer.

    Aw man, I tried to delete it and I was too slow. :p
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    Yes. No matter what how they try to turn it on the main page. Yes they are. Sad that people have try and twist words to make it seems like they are not.
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    Sir, you do know that MS is paying Nokia millions. So I suggest you direct your anger towards MS for not having a level playing field.
    Quote Originally Posted by rbrunner View Post
    It must Nokia cost many millions of dollars to build and support those apps. Such things are expensive, man, and that's the main reason companies like HTC don't do the same (except for some so-so apps like notes and such).

    I can see why you would like Nokia to spend those millions and then give those apps for free to all WP7 users, also HTC users like you, but I would not like Nokia to do so. Why? Because making such gifts to competitors is an excellent way for a company to bankrupt itself, and I don't think Nokia going broke could be in any way good for WP7.

    If you ask me, you should direct the energy of your anger towards HTC and say to them if they do not deliver something comparable you jump ship real quick and land in Nokia's arms.
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    The Nokia apps are a good thing. You may not see it but it's true. You should be pissed at HTC or Samsung for not doing the same...or at least going in on a deal with Nokia. And there is no "fragmentation". The OS hasn't changed. Developers aren't hindered in writing an app for your phones because of this.

    And I don't blame Microsoft. Apparently they must have found some reason they couldn't sponsor these apps for all phones. So instead they have Nokia(who basically needs MS at this point) premote their own hardwarem providing them an opportunity to build their brand reputation and stature. Microsoft keeps their hands out in order to not show favoritism and **** of Samsung and HTC.

    And most of these apps will surely hit all phones in 6 months. You might not have even get them in 6 months if it wasn't for the Nokia deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1jaxstate1 View Post
    Sir, you do know that MS is paying Nokia millions. So I suggest you direct your anger towards MS for not having a level playing field.
    Exactly. I keep seeing people saying that, "Well Nokia is spending all this money to get these apps, they should get the reward!"

    MS should be the one getting these apps, not Nokia. They dumped a truckload of cash on Nokia, so it's basically their money. I have a hard time believing that MS needed Nokia to get these deals done. That's my main issue with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejb222 View Post
    And most of these apps will surely hit all phones in 6 months. You might not have even get them in 6 months if it wasn't for the Nokia deal.
    I see this argument a lot in the comments too. 6 months is a long time. Plenty of time for people to have second thoughts about WP. The next iPhone will be out before all WP get these apps.
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    If MS is going to do this, I don't see why they just don't buy Nokia's mobile division and make them their sole WP7 manufacturer. I don't see how Samsung/HTC can see this as being fair. I'm not surprised they haven't dumped WP7 completely.
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    Exactly. I keep seeing people saying that, "Well Nokia is spending all this money to get these apps, they should get the reward!"

    MS should be the one getting these apps, not Nokia. They dumped a truckload of cash on Nokia, so it's basically their money. I have a hard time believing that MS needed Nokia to get these deals done. That's my main issue with this.
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    I wouldn't call the Nokia apps "fragmentation". That implies there is an inherent/technical reason why the apps couldn't run on competitors smartphones. There isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thed View Post
    I see this argument a lot in the comments too. 6 months is a long time. Plenty of time for people to have second thoughts about WP. The next iPhone will be out before all WP get these apps.
    Windows 8- 6 month timeframe from now. It may not sell phones. But I guarantee you, folks will be buying a tablet/slate with Windows 8. I and 20 other coworkers are getting it the 1st month its released (just need to see specs from all the different manufacturers). By than, you will no longer see exclusivity of apps because developers will have a bigger market.
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    It seems to me that Nokia is adopting sort of a hybrid model similar to what Amazon did with android tablets with its Kindle Fire. It has its own selection of apps you can get from Amazon's app store. Those same apps are in googles market too and many are cross platform.
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    Terrible idea for MS. A consumer walks in ready to renew or sign a new contract and here's the break down:

    Iphone - yes, you can use that app
    Android - yes, any of these phones can use that app.
    Windows Phone - well, you can only use that app on that 1 phone...but hey, after a year, you'll be able to use it!

    The Lumia 900 reviews on the ATT website aren't that great. Compared to other Windows Phones, it's only ahead of the refurbished Focus Flash. Otherwise, it's tied with the Focus Flash and behind the Titan, Focus S, and Titan II.
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    I dont think it will HURT the OS.

    like Daniel said , it might hurt our feelings but the fact that WP is only holding 2% of mobile shares, it cant hurt us that much.

    if the OS was a HUGE hit with like 50% of the worlds mobile shares , then having 50% of the world pissed off , then yes that would hurt! lol. now your gona hurt the feeling of 2 out of 1000000 clients .... not a big deal.


    I my self am a HUGE Samsung FAN , I love their products and I really wana stay with them for future WP. sure im PISSED OFF for not getting the best apps but its not the end of the world. its not gona stop ME from buying the next WP (Samsung) so missing 2 ,3 games that I would FINISH in 2-3 dayz any ways!! .. NOT gona cry or lose sleep over it!


    most of the exclusive apps are not deal breakers any ways or will have 3rparty DEV making similar apps.

    on a other Note,

    with NOKIA doing this , they are actually GRABBING big names(devs) and big games witch if anything will just HELP WP in the long run, not to mention im PRETTY SURE that ALL exclusive games/apps on NOKIA will be timed based! meaning , we will get them at some point in time ( I hope )
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    Funny that no one was beating down LG last year when they introduced exclusive apps, including; Augmented Reality and an "unmatched to date", Voice to Text/EMail app. And I believe HTC still has an exclusive on a flashlight app that uses the camera flash. Nokia mapping apps come from NAVTEC, so that was already their property.

    Regarding exclusive arrangements with some big names, guess you can't please some people no matter what. First is was, WP won't catch on till they get these popular apps. Now it's WP won't catch on because Nokia has an exclusive on these popular apps. Here's an idea. Buy a Nokia and stop your bellyaching.

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    Yep, terrible idea. Lets put a stop to this and go back to the status quo of not having these apps released at all for WP and OEM's like HTC and Samsung releasing phones and not doing anything to promote them while they promote their android devices.

    Lets ignore the fact that only a handful are actually exclusive to Nokia and only for a set time period. Lets convieniently forget that Nokia is also providing their mapping services, operator contacts and other benefits to MS and are not just being paid blindly by MS.

    Yep, lets just wait for HTC and Samsung to jump in and fully support the platform and provide their exclusive services like Beats and Chaton. Lets just sit back and pray that WP somehow takes off like we've been doing since it was launched in October 2010 with no support from the launch OEM's. Yes, then its all going to work out for WP....:rolleyes:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimski View Post
    Funny that no one was beating down LG last year when they introduced exclusive apps, including; Augmented Reality and an "unmatched to date", Voice to Text/EMail app. And I believe HTC still has an exclusive on a flashlight app that uses the camera flash. Nokia mapping apps come from NAVTEC, so that was already their property.

    Regarding exclusive arrangements with some big names, guess you can't please some people no matter what. First is was, WP won't catch on till they get these popular apps. Now it's WP won't catch on because Nokia has an exclusive on these popular apps. Here's an idea. Buy a Nokia and stop your bellyaching.

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    they all have exclusive apps LOL! Samsung too , each OEM has its own little *side*marketplace .

    i think its cause NOKIA actualy has excluse apps that are actually GOOD! LMAO aside from Samsung's Rubik's Cub! lol. yay exclusive Rubik's Cube . HAHA

    at lease the APPS are goign to a TOP END Wp and not the low end Wps..
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimski View Post
    Funny that no one was beating down LG last year when they introduced exclusive apps, including; Augmented Reality and an "unmatched to date", Voice to Text/EMail app. And I believe HTC still has an exclusive on a flashlight app that uses the camera flash. Nokia mapping apps come from NAVTEC, so that was already their property.

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    I wasn't complaining about LG because I think the OEMs should be allowed to have the rights to their own software that they produce. My problem begins when they start doing this with other brands and apps that they don't own or produce themselves.

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    Buy a Nokia and stop your bellyaching.
    This goes against one of the original strengths of WP, that you get to choose your hardware but still have the same software experience. Besides, please tell me where I can buy a Nokia for Verizon.
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    Excellent comments so far but I still don't think it's fair for people to benefit more than others on the same OS. In the Android world, I think it's about OS customizations and not apps benefits. All apps are acquired by everyone, the only difference being your customizations and experience.

    Secondly, I know some HTC and MS workers will see this post, after all they are here with us under disguise ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenzibit View Post
    Excellent comments so far but I still don't think it's fair for people to benefit more than others on the same OS. In the Android world, I think it's about OS customizations and not apps benefits. All apps are acquired by everyone, the only difference being your customizations and experience.

    Secondly, I know some HTC and MS workers will see this post, after all they are here with us under disguise ;-)

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    Everyone benefits eventually, just that Nokia users benefit sooner. Here is the list of apps and only 4 are timed exclusives, the rest will be available for all WP users.

    CTIA 2012: Nokia announces new exclusive Lumia Windows Phone apps | ZDNet

    Have to ask why people are moaning when Nokia is obviously doing the best they can for the platform as well as themselves. People should stop and think, what state WP would be in if it was left to HTC, Samsung and the rest? Almost to a man they have stated they wont be releasing any new WP devices till the end of the year, yet here is Nokia creating buzz and getting mindshare for the platform. How is that bad? Does the inaction of the other OEM's benefit the platform? Yet all some can see is what they are not getting. Typical.
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