- 05-12-2012, 04:59 PM #1
I've been doing some thinking. I realized how important Windows 8 is for Windows Phone's success. Windows 8 will be the first time the metro UI will be introduced to the masses. I don't think we have to talk about how strong Windows OS is as a brand worldwide. Everyone already knows that. The question is how will the masses respond to such a huge change to Windows UI, something completely foreign to most. If it's received well and the majority love it, that could cause a surge in Windows Phone marketshare. People will see Windows Phone and be familiar with it right away cause it looks just like Windows PC. Once they get familiar with Windows 8 and see how integrated Windows Phone is with Microsoft services, it can help push devices. So with Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 coming this fall, its now or never. 2013 is Microsoft's year, it's the beginning of a new era for Microsoft
What do you guys think?
05-12-2012, 05:47 PM #4
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If anyone has had a chance to use either the DP or the CP on a touch screen, it's marvelous. Even on a laptop or desktop, once you get used to it, it is a bit more intuitive than the 90's-era start menu/desktop paradigm. Sure, there will be a contingent of people who just won't allow themselves to embrace a bit of change (and they'll be vocal).
- 05-12-2012, 06:24 PM #6
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- 05-12-2012, 08:42 PM #11
I will probably skip Windows 8 desktop version and stick with Windows 7.
Windows 8 is as bad as the Unity desktop for Ubuntu. In the case of Ubuntu, I ditched it altogether and use openSUSE instead. Yes, I know there are other desktops for Ubuntu than Unity; however, I just found it easier to choose a different Linux distro.
- 05-12-2012, 08:48 PM #12
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- 05-12-2012, 09:42 PM #14
Even if I do get a new laptop, I want an Ultrabook, and those are not touchscreen devices. I do not want to touch the screen on a laptop or on a desktop monitor.
A tablet would be a different story.
Metro UI on desktops/laptops is not something I like, and I do not see businesses adopting it any time soon, either. Heck, many businesses are just getting around to switching from XP to 7.
05-12-2012, 09:47 PM #15
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We have executives that use an Ipad and then they realized you can't do real work (without a Virtual desktop).
Business will use this, especially knowing you can create an OS on a portable thumb drive and plug into any device.
Microsoft showed using a Xoom and booting to Windows 8. It was really neat.,
- 05-13-2012, 02:24 AM #16
- Around 10" ( we've seen some hybrid prototypes with 14" screens!!!),
- It should be as light weight as possible (the keyboard, hinge and all the other pars will add a lot of wait),
- It should be fan-less (don't think that's going to be possible with x86/64 processors),
- It should have a 4:3 ratio (that's a personal thing: I use my iPad mostly for studying, and I put books on it. A 16:9 ratio just doesn't feel right when held in portrait so I can read),
- It should be LESS than $500;
- The battery should last for 10-12 hours or more (as I said I use my tablet a lot for reading and studying so that's very important).
These are the criteria that define a tablet for ME, but there are there are 3 of them that define a tablet for everyone: the weight (people complained that the iPad 2 was a bit heavy!), the price, and the battery life. I don't see any x86/64 machines doing this any time soon...
- 05-13-2012, 03:43 AM #17
Same at our business users. They cannot go beyond emailing on the go and using odd bit of apps or iCloud. But cannot do real work without asking for a Windows! Most of our proprietory softwares don't install on iPads either. We have multiple licenses for those and it is a shame that we dont have Windows tablets that could be carried around.
- 05-13-2012, 11:06 AM #18
I think it's wise of Microsoft to tie the Metro UI together with the tablets, Windows 8 and RT. I suspect that once people start buying new PC's with Windows 8 and the Metro UI becomes familiar, we will see a corresponding increase in sales for Windows Phone. The Metro UI will make sense to people and be familiar once they are using it on their desktop PC's and it will give Windows Phone a much needed advantage.
As for the tablets, I suspect what Microsoft will do is sell consumer targeted tablets in the $3-500 range with Windows RT (they really need to change that name though, I think Windows Metro has a nice ring to it...) and professional-grade tablets that are more like laptop replacements, running full Windows 8, that will run from $900-$1500+.
It will be tricky to explain the difference to people, but I think making a clear separation between consumer and business models and the prices should make it pretty clear. I also think a name like "Windows Metro" would make more sense to consumers than Windows RT. Windows RT sounds like NT to me, if I wasn't following the news, I would have no idea what that was.
I think Windows RT will have "light" versions of the most popular apps, like Office, IE, and lots of games, so it will be more than enough for most people. If they do it right, Windows RT tablets will outsell the Windows 8 ones by more than 4-to-1 and they should clobber the useless Android tablets and maybe even become competitive with the iPad eventually.
The key is going to be to do three things that Microsoft isn't traditionally very good at.
#1- Make it clear to people what the product is, what it does and who it's intended for.
#2- Have a clear separation between different product lines so people can easily decide which to choose.
#3- Not try to throw everything except the kitchen sink in to a product. What's NOT included is just as important as what is sometimes.
What gives me hope is that Microsoft has finally shown they are capable of making these distinctions with Windows 7 and with Windows Phone. What I hear about Windows 8, sounds like they are getting even closer. There should only be two versions of Windows 8, a Home/consumer version and the Professional version, both 64-bit.
Altogether there should only be 4 mainstream versions of Windows out there. Windows 8 Home, Windows 8 Pro, Windows RT and Windows Phone. And the apps designed for the Metro UI should be able to run on ALL of them. Obviously there would have to be some changes for the phone version of the apps, but they should make them as minimal as possible. Either make one version of the app, that's "aware" if it's running on a phone/pc/tablet and adjusts accordingly to resolution etc, or make one PC/tablet version and one phone version, but let people pay once and have access to both. If they do that, I think we will see a huge upswing in the number of apps available.
- 05-13-2012, 12:47 PM #19
I'm skipping windows 8. desktop metro makes zero sense to me. I don't want a touch computer, or laptop. I hate smudgy screens and touching a 24+" monitor when you have a kb and mouse makes you look like an *****. forces you to keep your monitor within an arms reach as well. my monitor's further than that. Ts the ergonomic thing to do.
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- 05-13-2012, 01:35 PM #21
If Windows 8 is not more usable on a desktop / laptop in its final release, I will skip it and wait for Windows 9. Windows 7 fixed the bugs in Vista. Vista was terrible. Microsoft seems to get a new version of Windows right every other release.
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- 05-13-2012, 01:56 PM #23
I agree with the OP. Just seeing that there could be a unified experience on my phone and computer convinced me to switch to WP. I probably should have waited until this fall when Windows 8 and WP8 were both out but I got too anxious to try WP. Really enjoying the experience and looking forward to how it works on a laptop (not computer literate enough to download the Consumer Preview). And while I've never really been tempted to have an iPad, Windows 8 looks really cool on the tablet--night finally make that plunge, too!
- 05-13-2012, 02:16 PM #24
Vista was terrible even with 4GB RAM. I ditched it the day 7 was released on one box. Another old box that had XP is now a Linux box.
The best way to try Windows 8 consumer preview is in a virtual machine.
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- 05-13-2012, 04:11 PM #25
People are missing the point here. It's like everyone always has to make this about " ME ". It's not always about you. It doesn't matter what you think of Windows 8 on a desktop as a power user. For Windows Phone and Windows 8 to succeed it has to be accepted by the casual user. Windows is targeted at a much broader, more diverse audience but it's the casual user that drives marketshare. It doesn't matter what you the power user thinks. It's not about you at the end of the day. Power users are the minority