- 06-14-2012, 04:37 PM #1
It’s Not Just About Price: Nokia’s Elop Says They’re Not Getting The Retail Traction They “Prefer” | TechCrunch
It's funny to me that he's blaming the front line salespeople. I agree with that somewhat, but aside from the design, the 900 didn't exactly blow anyone away with their mediocre camera quality & last gen screen/specs. But that's more Microsoft's fault.
Also, whether you guys believe it or not, the lack of apps are a BIG deal to most people. I use basically all the platforms out there, and not having stuff on WP that I'm used to having on Android/iOS (like Instagram, Path, & higher quality apps overall that are updated frequently & not abandoned) is a real buzz kill.
IMO, both MS & Nokia are screwing up. But MS more than Nokia.
- 06-14-2012, 05:47 PM #2
- 06-14-2012, 07:22 PM #3
But WP8 still doesn't take care of the perception issues & app problems. Its kinda like saying everything will be OK once Blackberry OS 10 gets here. All of these things needed to happen a year or two ago.
- 06-14-2012, 07:26 PM #4
I don't really mind the lack of apps if the browser works, but my god the browser can't do ****.
None of the websites usually recognize it as a mobile browser, and if they do the functionality is lost. I wouldn't mind not having apps if my browser could handle the main website, but it can't.My apps are on JMTK Application Development
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- 06-14-2012, 08:28 PM #6
Forgot where I read it, but more than 50% of all current Smartphone users, "have never downloaded an app". Another 10-20% have installed less than 5 (or something like that). So apps do matter, but only to a small percentage of users who actually use them.
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- 06-14-2012, 08:47 PM #7
On a side note, when I was on my Pre, I had a limited app catalogue and I had a few apps that I used all the time. Went to WP7 and had a better selection, kept seeing other apps I "needed". Now 7 months in to iOS, and I still mainly use the same few apps (iOS versions of course) that I used on my Pre. In the end, apps don't matter to me.
Although I do wish the tiles had more color options though. Like a blue that fades to a darker blue down the tile and/or let me select a.background picture for the tile view. That would make WPx look better IMHO.
- 06-14-2012, 09:54 PM #8
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Iuno... I think the biggest problem as a whole is just coverage. What happened to AT&T pushing the Lumia device hard, making it as big as the iPhone? Out of all the carriers, I've seen T-Mobile and Spring pushing the HTC One series, and Verizon pushing the Motorola Droid series all over the place, and where is AT&T, pushing general advertisements about their service, an not really any one device. I think what Android did was have Verizon push all that marketing, then they exploded with the Motorola Droid, even though it wasn't as great as the iPhone at the time. AT&T had the chance, and didn't follow through with the Lumia 900. I don't think I've seen AT&T ever push a single device. I think Nokia would actually have better mindshare if they went with any other carrier than AT&T.
- 06-15-2012, 08:11 AM #13
No duh. Look the T-mobile 4G deal, free 4G phones this Saturday including
HTC One: awesome!
Galaxy 2: still pretty sweet
Nokia Lumia 710: wait what?
Might as well announce things like LGmytouch, that phone is selling great. Not to sound like a broken record but I being saying the same thing since we started, we need cool phones. Not the Lumia 900 isn't cutting it, maybe 2 years ago but not now.
- 06-15-2012, 09:31 AM #15
I'm not sure where you guys get the idea that apps don't mean anything to people.
Just one example. I have many friends who use instagram to share photos. Yes, there are alternatives, but to the average joe who uses instagram, those aren't viable alternatives. It's like saying 'no, we don't have a beach, but we have a sandbox in our backyard." It's just not the same.
...and yes, something needs to change. Maybe apollo will spark that change, but I'm getting very worried. "Mango will turn heads...lumia will turn heads...apollo will turn heads" is what we keep hearing, but the market share is absolutely awful, as is the interest level. I want this thing to succeed, the thought of using an iphone makes me want to scream ;)
- 06-15-2012, 11:51 AM #17
Dont need all, just the apps that matter. Cant be lacking the blockbuster apps from other platforms and have nothing blockbuster of your own to offer. And yes, more devices are needed. Nokia said they would be releasing devices every three months to counter the numerous android releases, what happened to that? Cant even get the one device launched in multiple regions in time.
I personally think all the problems are down to Microsoft's tortoise approach to advancing the OS, WP has been without cutting edge devices and features for too long and that in turn has meant fewer standout devices, weaker support from carriers and poor interest from consumers. Not to mention the continued abysmal promotion and marketing from seemingly everyone but Nokia which has been a problem since before the OS even launched and is completely disgraceful that the situation hasnt changed in 2 years.
Bottom line, MS needs to make the OS jawdropping and then tell people about it. Anything else and they might as well not bother.
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- 06-15-2012, 04:17 PM #21
PureView will pretty much always be limited to niche prosumer smartphones until they can fit it in a phone that doesn't completely bastardize all current consumer preferences. The cameras in the One X/GS3/i4[S] and Sony Devices all perform extremely well without needing this type of chasis. If Nokia wants to focus on PureView, it will be a problem and it will cost them because devices like that have very limited viability in markets like the US.
- 06-15-2012, 04:43 PM #22
Galaxy S II
Announced 2011, February
Status Available. Released 2011, April
On AT&T (US Carriers always lag in availability of Samsung devices)
Announced 2011, August
Status Available. Released 2011, October
Yes, WVGA was still common - even on newer devices in April 2011.
Announced 2012, January
Status Available. Released 2012, April
So 1 year after GS2 launch, and 6 months after it came to AT&T Nokia wants to compete with:
1. Old QC processor vs. the Exynos in the AT&T GS2
2. A Worse Camera, and it only does 720p video instead of 1080p (IIRC, Correct me if I'm Wrong)
3. A. 1.3 MP VGA FFC
4. Barely a better screen, if better at all - Lower PPI due to screen size difference
5. BT 2.1 vs 3.0+HS
6. No WiFi Direct
7. No NFC
8. 512 MB vs. 1GB RAM
9. No SD Card Slot
10. [Subjective] WP7 instead of Android, when Ecosystems matter more now than ever
The GSII is being eclipsed by the GS3 and you can't even buy it in AT&T corporate stores anymore (only the Skyrocket), but the Lumia is still there going strong with specs from 2 years ago.
The only spec that the Lumia 900 bests is the fact that it has LTE (if we're disregarding the Skyrocket), 0.2" bigger screen (if we're disregarding the Skyrocket), and the fact that it's a WP7 device (which is entirely subjective). Oh, and it has a bigger battery (Again, if disregarding the Skyrocket).
There is significant spec lag in the WP7 device ecosystem compared to Android and iOS.
App issue has been discussed ad nauseum. There will always be those people who seriously think the browser is all they need. The Playbook fans on crackberry thought the same thing, and that didn't turn that device into a success.
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- 06-15-2012, 05:14 PM #23
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- 06-15-2012, 05:54 PM #25
I think WP8 needs to be impressive for WP to start the growth it needs. By all rights I should switch to another platform after using an HTC Trophy for a year. Currently I'm on my third Trophy. The first broke right after Mango was release.It had some sort of antenna problem and wouldn't make calls. That one was replaced due to reboots after the 8107 update. The one I have now reboots. I absolutely love the os even though there are missing features, but this phone has hardware and software issues. Right now I would have a hard time recommending the Trophy to a Verizon customer. I know the apps will come with platform growth so that isn't an issue to me (even though there are apps I want that are on other platforms), but a phone with a large high-resolution display, top-notch camera and LTE are requirements. Please wow me Microsoft!