10-08-2013, 08:29 AM #1
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Seriously!!! Youtube is a fundamental application on a smartphone these days. It's not a "nice to have!". It's not a "let's just learn to live without it!" It's as fundamental as mapping, social networking and messaging. Both Microsoft and Google pay their execs a lot of money. You'd think they'd grow a pair of balls, get round the table and sort it out, instead of acting like a couple of petulant kids.
So, my question.......when is Microsoft and Google going to put their customers first and sort this out?
- 10-08-2013, 12:43 PM #3
The deal is that Google owns YouTube and doesn't want to play nice. MS and Google have been sparring for quite some time now and it's turned into a pis***g contest. First it was the Exchange issue with Gmail and now YouTube. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest something crazy: why don't all the software companies get together and develop standards that work across all platforms like they did with Bluetooth?
10-08-2013, 01:13 PM #5
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There are too many mavericks in the mobile world, every company wants to break away and go it alone. Can you imagine what a mess the internet and telecoms infrastructure markets would be like if the major global players didn't work together to create commonality????? We'd still be trying to figure out how to make a phone call from one town to another......
- 10-08-2013, 01:24 PM #6
Here we go again with apps. What can an "app" do that can't be done through a browser? We all know that WP is lacking in a few apps, create a bookmark on IE and be done with it until the Marketplace grows. Have we gotten so lazy or complacent? If WP isn't your cup of tea, move on.
- 10-08-2013, 01:27 PM #7
Google is ****-blocking MS here plain and simple. It sucks and is within their right, but it's a **** move nonetheless to keep MS from looking viable to others which might help further their growth. MS will likely have to build something HTML5 while continuing to "work" with Google on something better. In the meantime I'll just keep using MetroTube which is solid if you don't need to do your own uploads via mobile app, which I personally don't.
- 10-08-2013, 01:35 PM #9
The most ridiculous part of this whole feud between Google and Microsoft: Microsoft doesn't punish Android users, and still makes most of their apps on available on Android (One note, Xbox music, games, etc.). Google however is too focused on "hurting" Microsoft in the mobile playing field and preventing WP from growing, and punishes WP users as a result. The same even carries over to the desktop where Google refuses to make a proper Metro version of chrome, and instead makes that chrome OS-like abomination.
- 10-08-2013, 01:37 PM #10
I get where fatclue is going there, like people complaining about their banks not having an app when then the mobile sites are usually fast and just fine, as a former BlackBerry man, I've heard every possible app complaint in the book.
As far as Youtube goes though, I wouldn't know since its rare I ever look at videos there but doesn't the mobile website lack alot of other user functions that are offered elsewhere? If that is all true, I could see people calling a sh*t move on Google's part to allow these other user functions pretty much everywhere else except WP, which as pointed out earlier is 'technically' within their rights. I guess it's a two-sided coin in this particular case.
- 10-08-2013, 01:55 PM #11
Why buy an eBook online when you can drive to a library and take out a book? Sure its easier, but have we become so lazy that we can't drive across town?
Your argument doesn't help the situation and reminds me of a Crackberry comment where "the browser does everything I need it to". Most people (including me) would rather have an app than go to the browser. While I'm not getting rid of my 920, it would still be better with an app.
Last edited by Jas00555; 10-08-2013 at 02:08 PM.
- 10-08-2013, 03:14 PM #12
The root of the problem here is that IE for WP does not support HTML5 inline video. Ballmer, Rubino et al. have done a pretty good job of ignoring that one fact. Internet Explorer 10 brings HTML5 to Windows Phone 8 in a big way
"There are some minor differences between Internet Explorer 10 for Windows 8 and Internet Explorer 10 for Windows Phone that you need to be aware of. Internet Explorer 10 for Windows Phone does not support the following:
The APIs that Google releases externally for YT all depend on this and so, because IE on WP8 is lacking this capability it is not possible to build a YT app for WP8 that would be compliant with Google's specs. Right now, trying to do this would open the video in WP's media player and Google would not be able to measure things like ad views, ad view duration and other metrics that they must report to the advertisers.
MS, being MS, reverse-engineered the native API that Google uses for iOS and Android, and built an app that violated EVERY T&C - I mean, download vids? How were they expecting to get away with that? Then Google asked them to build a compliant app using HTML5 and the existing API, just like everyone else does. This is not possible because whoever built IE for WP is an *****. Then, they start whining about how Google is mean.
- 10-08-2013, 03:24 PM #13
I know from other posts that you enjoy bashing anything I write. That's cool, if you want to engage in an intellectual discussion, I'm game. If your intent is to quibble with me for the sake of it, let me know so I can just hit the ignore button.
- 10-08-2013, 04:06 PM #16
- 10-08-2013, 04:26 PM #17
Anyway, the answer to your question is: "never". From the outset, Google was setup as a company to compete with MS. Google is increasingly branching into more domains that were previously dominated by MS, which virtually guarantees that the competition will only get more fierce going forward. Both companies have a mandate to grow their influence and market share, and to a degree that can only happen at the other companies expense. It's called capitalism and free markets. If sticking it to WP customers is Google's best play, then that is what they will do. That will only change if WP can grow its market share to a level that Google can't afford to disregard, but the "childish" competition will continue regardless, just in areas that are less visible to the average consumer.
- 10-09-2013, 02:26 AM #18
Looking at MS' history over the past few decades, it's more likely that they did this just to drum up marketing sympathy (failed), in the full knowledge that Google would take action, looking like the bad guy. MS is the one known for dirty tricks in this business, far far more than Google.
Again, if MS wanted to, they could have fixed the embedded inline video issue with IE, built an HTML5 app and released it. That they haven't shows their incompetence.
- 10-09-2013, 02:40 AM #19
- 10-09-2013, 04:48 AM #21
The part about Google being setup specifically to compete with MS, and both companies increasingly targeting the same customers, is entirely uncontroversial. Everything else you quoted was about competition in general, where you could have switched company names around and it would have been equally true. It wasn't a post about "evil Google".
The point is, that what the OP perceives to be childish behaviour, is actually just normal competition, because the most honourable move isn't always the most profitable or strategically sound. No such large company is completely innocent, neither MS or Google.
- 10-09-2013, 05:39 AM #22
- 10-09-2013, 05:51 AM #23
Google's previous requests, revolving around advertising and the use of YT's APIs were credible, but their current HTML5 angle is not. If there was any merit to them, Google would be enforcing those "3rd party guidelines" (please share BTW, as you appear to be privy to them) with all third parties, including MetroTube and MyTube, which clearly they are not.
Your need to "go back 20 years" in order to convince yourself that MS is "more likely to be the bad guy" is telling. Wake up! It's 2013. None of these companies are innocent.
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- 10-09-2013, 06:42 AM #24
- Windows existed before Chrome OS
- IE existed before Chrome Browser
- Office existed before Google's Web Apps
- and when it comes to mobile, yes, Windows Mobile existed long before Android
Search is one of very few instances of this happening the other way around.
Eric Schmidt, the previous CEO of Google, started his career at Sun Microsystems, a company fully devoted to competing with MS. Everything they did was aimed at competing with MS on their turf. Eric Schmidt brought that mind-set along with him when he arrived at Google.
Last edited by a5cent; 10-09-2013 at 07:18 AM.
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