- 08-10-2012, 11:57 AM #1
We all expect a little or alot of changes to come with WP8, but do you think WP8 will finally get us to the point where we can do nearly everything that Androids and iPhones can do? Take a look at the track record that Microsoft has had in the mobile realm. Although that have never really been on top, they have been in the mobile game a while. Here we are at WP 7.5....and we still don't have fully functional devices. When I say fully functional, I mean by comparison to iPhones, Android, and even Blackberry and Symbian. There are still a number of things those other phone can do what we can't. It's not a matter of how it's done, but what can be done.
So do you think WP8 will finally be that OS release that pushes us closer to more comparable uses?
08-10-2012, 12:38 PM #2
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- 08-10-2012, 12:59 PM #4
Hope you are not holding your breath.
If you are a tech geek think it this way - Windows Phone 8, iPhone 5 and Jelly Bean goodness - all these in less than 3-4 months time span! It is like being in a candy shop!
If Windows Phone 8 launches with promises to do things in 'upcoming updates' or 'future releases' - I wouldn't be the one standing like a fool in a queue to buy another Lumia.
As much as it kills me to say this, I will bite the bullet and let myself free of this psychological warfare of fanboyism. I will live life as a technology fanboy. Whoever will let me live free and happy right from the point when they charge my credit card about £600, I will buy their product. Burnt once and I will only be a fool to sleep next to the fire again.
Hoping for a WP8 that won't be playing a catch up game but instead go a step ahead, only ONE feature ahead of others. Not asking for moon am I? :)
- 08-10-2012, 01:21 PM #5
08-10-2012, 02:42 PM #6
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I have a feeling Windows Phone will be mostly on par with iOS and Android in at least the "basic" things. Anything after that will be tailored strictly for their ecosystem. I feel they know this and more than anything rather capitalize on that then push for innovations to out do iOS and Android. Not saying it'll be completely absent in that area though.
In my mind, that's kind of a fool's errand. Rather it's better to build on the strengths and advantages you already have. Hence the interoperability of their products. Windows and Office, as usual with them, I see as the lynchpins, with 360 maybe a third. Really it's all about execution right now.
- 08-10-2012, 05:09 PM #7
These technologies change so fast, if we don't enjoy it now, when will we?
Windows Phone is super cool phone because it is simple, elegant, peaceful to look at and so alive. Lets not hope for a Windows Phone that will produce toilet tissues if we run out in a difficult situation, but surely a Windows Phone that will prevent me from responding "Yeah, next update will have that."
I now really want to say "Yes, Windows Phone does that too, but better!"
- 08-10-2012, 05:26 PM #8
I'm not to sure if MS has done much in the way of earning the trust of their WP customers given a few of the facts out there. I don't know why this thought struck me today but it did and its bugging me. I'm not going to act of impulse and just dive into an HTC one x or GS3. Trying here to have the patience of a monk. Lol.
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- 08-10-2012, 06:15 PM #9
I want a Nokia or a HTC WP8 smartphone by the end of this year. And I want it with very good specs (quadcore), at least 4.3' screen, very good camera (if it is a Nokia, then I want PureView), many apps and games (exclusives or released at the same time as the iOS and Android versions), nice design, etc...
If the first Nokias and HTCs don't deliver this, I'll not wait for their second WP8 phones because I'm sick of this waiting game.
I've been literally waiting for more than 2 years for Nokia to release the best smartphone available in the market... the iPhone and Galaxy S killer... it didn't happen, why should I believe that it will happen this time (in the next 6 months)?
If they don't deliver I'll just quit this loyalty nonsense, because RIGHT NOW there are already phones that deliver this stuff that I want, I just don't buy them because they aren't the brand that I want.
But if I think about this with na opened mind, the brands that I want aren't giving me what I want and the brands that I don't want already have what I want. It sounds complicated, but maybe, just maybe, I want the brands that I think that I don't want!
- 08-10-2012, 06:33 PM #10
At the end of the day, I am a customer first, a loyal customer next. If MSFT is out there to do its business and get money eventually from 90% of smartphone users in 30 years time, I will anyways end up using WP after 10 yrs from now. But at least I won't regret the fact that for these 10 year RIGHT NOW, I spent time being loyal and got nothing but false promises of a future that will change everything. I now want to believe, "Join us, we've changed everything RIGHT NOW". If MSFT can't say that, I am sure it doesn't expect you, me or anyone else to stick around living with 5 years behind the tech world.
But as said by others on this forum earlier, we are loyal, we love MSFT and WP and I can't deny that. I will be patient as a monk, only till WP8 hits the shelves and will keep my fingers crossed hoping that they've got everything right this time and that it will prove that no one drives innovation and tech like MSFT does. :)
- 08-10-2012, 07:55 PM #11
Here we go with another, "mine is bigger than yours" thread. Let me ask you this. Is there anything that WP7.5 (or WP8) can do, that you can't do on other platforms? There is a guy named Ben who can help with that. It's all about balance.
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- 08-10-2012, 10:03 PM #12
Why do we always have to think that the grass is greener on the other side? WP8 will be based off the NT kernel the possibilities are light years beyond iOS and beyond Android. Wish more of us understood that but that seems to not be the case.
- 08-10-2012, 10:26 PM #13
- 08-10-2012, 11:34 PM #14
In terms of cutting edge and tinkering, I would rather play on my desktop than on my phone. Linux on my desktop lets me do all the fun stuff with desktop customization and using the CLI. Being root in Linux is fun, but I don't care to root an Android.
I'd rather not mess around with my phone. I used BlackBerries for 3 years, and shrinking the OS/installing leaked and hybrid OSes got to be tiresome.
I enjoy tweaking my desktop computer, but I prefer that my smartphone just works without any special tweaks.
- 08-11-2012, 02:18 AM #15
It will be easy enough. Wikipedia has a page on mobile OSes:
Mobile operating system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Where you an compare each mobile OS on all major feature categories. Once WP8 is out, we can see.
- 08-11-2012, 04:17 AM #17
08-11-2012, 05:46 AM #18
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Anyways, similar to what I said in another thread and what others have said above, unless you know what you want you're probably always gonna be looking at the other side of the fence. Look at both jimski and cckgz4. I doubt they really care about what the competition has or any bragging rights one might derive.
- 08-11-2012, 06:52 AM #19
Of course more than 95% of us guys using WP7.5 are happy with what the phones are and what they do. But the point was, x will come with an update, y will be solved with an update, z was featured to be in an update and then all of a sudden the cat dies.
Hence the OPs post stands relevant as in, do we have doubts for WP8? Yes, because it will have to stop playing catch up. No, I don't doubt that WP will be a success. It will be. But not with WP8. It might become better than WP7 but not better than others out there. It might genuinely threaten others with WP9 and might be a strong competitor with WP10. It is a speculation based on MSFT's history with WM6.5 and WP7. Nothing wrong if people have reservations with WP8 initially.
- 08-11-2012, 07:22 AM #20
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08-11-2012, 08:38 AM #22
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For all of those with CPU envy, would a multi core CPU make Mango operate more smoothly?
Part of the reason for dual and quad cores for Android is to make the OS work, period. I have seen many Android devices stutter while trying to scroll. Even a HTC running ICS on a quad core. Most of those devices never even utilize any of the extra cores. When the users of these devices see my WP scroll so smoothly and ask about the CPU, I proudly say it does that on a single core because it is a better OS. Most agree it is better.
I would rather have a "lesser" CPU and OS that just works rather than something I have to constantly reboot or have to have custom rom to MAKE it work.
For those feeling abandoned,
IOS does not port every feature set of a new device backwards, think SIRI and iPhone 4s.
The iPhone 4 was out only about a year(?), when 4s came out.
When a new model of your TV comes out, do you expect to get the new features added to the one you bought less than a year ago? Would you take your Corvette back to the dealership and demand the 600 hp motor because the model you bought 6 months ago only has 550 hp?
Get real people. WP Mango / 8 is no different. My suggestion is to go get that quad core Android (and find out how fast Google updates it). I believe you will realize you made a mistake because you will lag behind.
Go get the iPhone, then whine to Apple when you don't get the complete feature set of the next iOS.
- 08-11-2012, 09:20 AM #23
I also had an iPhone 4 running stock iOS 5.1 that just bogged down quite often. Mine was an 8GB iPhone 4 so it came stock with iOS 5 out of the package and never had to be updated from iOS 4. It, too, had delays waking up at times and was notoriously slow when launching Safari. The app would open okay, but it would have difficulty accepting input for a few seconds and oftentimes it would lag behind my typing in the address bar.
Lag was something I never really found in Mango and I found the keyboard to be extremely accurate, although I do feel the same about the keyboard on the iPhone. As long as WP8 runs smoothly on the device and it is relatively future-proofed, I don't need the best specs out there just to say that I have them.
- 08-11-2012, 09:20 AM #24
Multicores or for that matter any cores, are not just for the OS/UI, are they? What about CPU intensive games? Have you ever noticed when you use facebook chat, SMS and watch a youtube video on that shameful youtube app, while swapping from one to another and then again another - the phone heats up? I blamed HTC for months, only until I realised that Lumia 800 was exactly the same. I believe most of the WP (single cores) are the same? Probably because our normal tasks that run so smoothly max out our CPU all the time? But with multicore, even though we don't "need" it, perhaps it wouldn't heat up?
No one in this thread ever said/wanted to cry about update delays on any other OS. We have had numerous threads about it when Mango, Tango and WP7.8 was announced. I don't care if I don't get WP8 on my phone. What bothers most with opinions similar to mine is: Will WP8 be as promising as it sounds? or Will it be a feature lacking, new kernel launch (think Oct, 2010) and then being promised 'more features' in future updates?
According to me if Sept 5 is Nokia's launch date of WP8 phone, then I want the first phone they pitch to be feature packed - nothing that makes it turn into a spaceship, but enough features (basics) that exist on all the other smartphones. If Nokia launches a phone that still lacks features i.e. say for example, "New screenshot feature will become available baked into WP8.1 in November" - I will lose faith in humanity!
I am going to repeat, none of us here think WP is a fail or will be a fail. Got nothing against the beauty of this OS. But with Mango, then with Tango and then with WP7.8 and WP8 all we were/are hoping for "This will an end to a catch up game and may be the next one will bring something that will stand out". Alas! We've not even caught up yet and hence I am far from dreaming of new badass feature, not even one. Don't want it. Just need stop catching up and then may be add spanking new features with WP8.1, WP8.5, WP8.8 and WP9 - one innovation per update.
- 08-11-2012, 09:35 AM #25
No one would be on this thread if we didn't like the OS. So for those that continue to blast these subjects for people wanting "bigger and better", relax. We do not want another Android. We want to be competitive with Android, Apple and RIM (I still count them until they are below 10% worldwide which isn't happening yet) so that WP is set for the future. 3% - 7% sales is not good enough. The OS needs to offer some things to get it to 15% - 20% within the next couple years, and that is a hard road to travel.
I am not a huge tech driven consumer. I am an operation driven consumer. I use One Note, bill minders, calander, and other tools to make my life easier. Throw in games, music, entertainment, and of course communication and you now have the entire spectrum of uses for Smartphones.
WP already has driven up the game on communication with the seamless way they incorporate social media. Improve the notifications and maybe the keyboard (or just include a couple of different keyboard options in the marketplace), and the single strongest aspect of WP becomes untouchable so long as manufacturers have good call quality and reception.
The Zune player is EOL, so we now need to hope WP 8's music player and media options are easier and more seamless. While I am fine with Zune, I certainly see tons of room for improvement. I say this is not a strength of WP 7. Certainly needs improvement to compete with the iPhone as I think this is Apple's biggest strength.
Gaming is a very good experience, especially if you are already an XBOX owner. But I also think this is an area that has to improve if MS wants to take some sales from Android. The gamers are heavy on Android as graphics and game options are so much more available on Google's offerings. Throw in the Tablet market which MS wants so bad and you see that enterainment is the main tablet consumer. I love the potential of what WP 7 launched, but it needs to be a stand alone selling point. It just isn't there yet. It has to be on WP 8.
As for me, the kernal sharing with Windows 8 tells me I am set. I want better tools, and I already love the "live" intergration with calander, One Note, and to do lists. The marketplace has some decent financial tools which are set to explode with Office intergration and the Barnes and Noble partnership. So WP 8 doesn't need to sell to me, I am sold. I think business users will love having the cross platform ecosystem and MS can get into some serious competition against RIM and Apple for professionals so long as WP 8 is truly Office compatible. (Some physical keyboard options would help.)
I am worried for WP 8 in general, not for my business. We HAVE to see WP 8 turning some great profits by the end of 2013 or mid 2014, or we may see WP get throttled. Good is not good enough. It needs to offer great options. It's put up or shut down over the next 24 months.
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