10-08-2012 05:49 PM
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  1. theefman's Avatar
    Ever since the 920 and 820 were announced the forums have been filled with threads on how Nokia was overrated, didnt bring anything to the table, the 920 was too thick and heavy, wireless charging was a gimmick, OIS doesnt matter because you didnt take pictures, etc and basically how they just should die.

    Then HTC had their announcement and the sentiment intensified, with claims Nokia was dead, HTC would outsell them, beats audio was better than anything on the 920, the 8x and 8s looked better, etc.

    So why all the anguish, gnashing of teeth, fervent proclamations of Nokia's demise now that its revealed it will be only on At&t? You never wanted the phone, didnt like the company, couldnt care less if they went bankrupt or not so its a bit strange to see forums filled with Nokia hate (guess thats nothing new) and at least 1 tech site already calling them a flop.

    What gives?
    10-04-2012 02:10 PM
  2. socialcarpet's Avatar
    People are stupid?
    10-04-2012 02:13 PM
  3. cgk's Avatar
    What gives?
    Maybe this is just crazy talk on my part but many some people think it's over-rated and some don't and different groups have people have different views rather all being part of a giant hive mind?

    10-04-2012 02:15 PM
  4. Mystictrust's Avatar
    I don't think the same people are saying all of this - there are a lot of people with differing opinions around here. I'm fairly sure I have seen a LOT more Nokia praise than hate around here, anyway. Well... before today.

    That and I clearly recall the 920 being the winner of every "What smartphone will you get" poll. I'm curious now though if the poll numbers would change at all if a new one were started up after the exclusivity announcement. Not everyone can/will switch carriers.
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    10-04-2012 02:17 PM
  5. fwaits's Avatar
    I think you are overstating "most". I small vocal minority may say that, but the polls showing demand for them are different.
    10-04-2012 02:18 PM
  6. fwaits's Avatar
    I don't think the same people are saying all of this - there are a lot of people with differing opinions around here. I'm fairly sure I have seen a LOT more Nokia praise than hate around here, anyway. Well... before today.

    That and I clearly recall the 920 being the winner of every "What smartphone will you get" poll. I'm curious now though if the poll numbers would change at all if a new one were started up after the exclusivity announcement. Not everyone can/will switch carriers.
    I think we need to wait and see what the other carriers officially announce before we go too far with this.
    10-04-2012 02:18 PM
  7. Scout_313's Avatar
    I've always been impressed by the 920 and was leaning toward buying one from day one. I would prefer to get a Nokia due mainly to the exclusive Nokia apps, but the 8X is no slouch either. If Verizon doesn't get the 920, the only decision I'll have to make is which color 8X to buy as I like the look of all of them right now.
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    10-04-2012 02:20 PM
  8. tk-093's Avatar
    Ever since the 920 and 820 were announced the forums have been filled with threads on how Nokia was overrated, didnt bring anything to the table, the 920 was too thick and heavy, wireless charging was a gimmick, OIS doesnt matter because you didnt take pictures, etc and basically how they just should die.

    Then HTC had their announcement and the sentiment intensified, with claims Nokia was dead, HTC would outsell them, beats audio was better than anything on the 920, the 8x and 8s looked better, etc.

    So why all the anguish, gnashing of teeth, fervent proclamations of Nokia's demise now that its revealed it will be only on At&t? You never wanted the phone, didnt like the company, couldnt care less if they went bankrupt or not so its a bit strange to see forums filled with Nokia hate (guess thats nothing new) and at least 1 tech site already calling them a flop.

    What gives?
    So are you saying the exact same people that said Nokia sucks are now mad it's only on AT&T? Or is it maybe possible those are two different groups of people?

    Personally I've always said since I'm on Verizon, I'm going to get the first best phone that comes out in the following order (1) 920 (2) ATIV (3) 8X. I'll be sad if I can't get the 920 at launch, but one of the other phones will be fine.
    10-04-2012 02:22 PM
  9. theefman's Avatar
    I think you are overstating "most". I small vocal minority may say that, but the polls showing demand for them are different.
    More than a vocal minority. What I dont get is why not just go with what you can get, 6 months down the line we'll see something better and it will all be how that new device is the best thing ever. Too much angst over this phone.
    10-04-2012 02:23 PM
  10. addman's Avatar
    Maybe some people are disappointed because they are locked in to expensive and/or long-term contract with their provider of choice, which probably isn't AT&T so they can't/won't switch from their current provider and thus won't be able to get any of the new Lumias. I'm not so well informed on how the telecom business works in the US but those are the impressions I get from this forum. You have some weird business models over there IMO. Just a thought.
    10-04-2012 02:24 PM
  11. theefman's Avatar
    So are you saying the exact same people that said Nokia sucks are now mad it's only on AT&T? Or is it maybe possible those are two different groups of people?

    Personally I've always said since I'm on Verizon, I'm going to get the first best phone that comes out in the following order (1) 920 (2) ATIV (3) 8X. I'll be sad if I can't get the 920 at launch, but one of the other phones will be fine.
    A good number of them, yes.

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/1710455-post2.htm
    10-04-2012 02:25 PM
  12. socialcarpet's Avatar
    The 920 looks awesome.

    I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed that they decided to make it bigger and heavier than the 900 though.

    It's going to make my next phone purchase decision a lot more difficult. I'd really like to stick with Nokia, but I'm torn between the lighter, smaller 820 with expandable storage and a replaceable battery and the 920 which has the 720p resolution, improved camera and other features I want.

    It's a tough call.

    Luckily I still love my 900 and I'm not in a rush to buy a new phone before my upgrade anyway.

    I'm hoping Nokia releases something else that has both high res and premium phone features without the gigantic Android XL form factor by the time I am ready to upgrade.
    10-04-2012 02:32 PM
  13. Bearach's Avatar
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    10-04-2012 02:42 PM
  14. tk-093's Avatar
    Please explain. I want the 920 and I'm mad only AT&T is getting it. This is the opposite of what you are saying. The EXACT opposite. What I said was correct... two different groups of people...

    Edit: Well, I'm more sad then mad. I'll get the 920 eventually.
    10-04-2012 02:47 PM
  15. theefman's Avatar
    Please explain. I want the 920 and I'm mad only AT&T is getting it. This is the opposite of what you are saying. The EXACT opposite. What I said was correct... two different groups of people...

    Edit: Well, I'm more sad then mad. I'll get the 920 eventually.
    So not the perfect example, but still saying you wish they crash and burn because its only on at&t is pretty strong and exactly the sentiment I'm talking about.
    10-04-2012 03:00 PM
  16. gzlesk's Avatar
    I haven't heard anyone say Nokia is overrated
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    10-04-2012 03:05 PM
  17. brmiller1976's Avatar
    The outcry is because the press (and Nokia fans) have advanced the 920 as "the Windows Phone," which means that anemic sales due to carrier exclusives will result in articles saying "Windows 8 phone sales disappointing."
    10-04-2012 03:07 PM
  18. tk-093's Avatar
    So not the perfect example, but still saying you wish they crash and burn because its only on at&t is pretty strong and exactly the sentiment I'm talking about.
    Yes, but i put the little :) after I said crash and burn. I would have made the little mad face if i really want them to crash and burn.
    10-04-2012 03:09 PM
  19. sinime's Avatar
    People like to have their cake and eat it too.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    10-04-2012 03:16 PM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    Yes, but i put the little :) after I said crash and burn. I would have made the little mad face if i really want them to crash and burn.
    Maybe make it bigger next time, then i'll see it. :D
    10-04-2012 03:50 PM
  21. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Also, because around here, Nokia gets a great deal of the attention. So people want to talk trash about them because their favorite OEM gets treated like a red headed step child. Why does Nokia deserve to place on a pedestal. I think this is what brings out the Nokia hate.

    Plus, a lot of people on this forum are from the US and don't care if Nokia ceased to exist tomorrow.

    Just check out the front page now. "What color 920 are you getting?" I bet you won't see a poll like that for HTC....well maybe now, that attention is on it, but you get the picture.
    10-04-2012 03:51 PM
  22. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    I haven't heard anyone say Nokia is overrated
    Where have you been? You must have missed it. I think most of those threads have been closed already though.

    Also, because around here, Nokia gets a great deal of the attention. So people want to talk trash about them because their favorite OEM gets treated like a red headed step child. Why does Nokia deserve to place on a pedestal. I think this is what brings out the Nokia hate.

    Plus, a lot of people on this forum are from the US and don't care if Nokia ceased to exist tomorrow.

    Just check out the front page now. "What color 920 are you getting?" I bet you won't see a poll like that for HTC....well maybe now, that attention is on it, but you get the picture.
    Because there's always news about Nokia because they're always doing something. They release new apps or update them often. More information keeps coming out about the Lumia. There are camera comparisons.

    Meanwhile, Samsung, even though we know a lot of the specs, I feel like I still know very little about the phone. Even since the unveiling, I haven't really heard much of anything from them. So I feel like there really isn't much to say about the Ativ S other than "I hope it's on this carrier," or "I'm going to get this phone when it comes out."

    HTC, I think they're kind of in the middle. At least their devices seem interesting to me, unlike Samsung's.

    And you must have missed this HTC poll.

    http://www.windowscentral.com/poll-w...uld-you-choose
    10-04-2012 06:07 PM
  23. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Nokia is doing something? Buying exclusivity for apps..yeah that's just awesome.

    Nokia drive, so MS is willing to let all other windows phone do without turn by turn or go buy some expensive app. How about improve Bing maps to make it usable.

    HTC will out do Nokia, without the money stacks from MS.

    Yep I missed that poll.

    All this and yet they sold 650,000 lumia phones. First the 900 was suppose to be the great phone. Nope, so now it's the 920. How about Nokia prove that they can actually be a major player before people treat them like one.
    10-04-2012 06:18 PM
  24. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Nokia is an irrelevant player in the USA, and a carrier exclusive with a late-to-market phone with a "challenger" OS isn't going to vault them into the big leagues here.

    Microsoft will do better to flood the market with cheap Samsung and HTC Windows Phones and play off of both companies' large pool of US smartphone customers. But to do that, the 8X has to get cheap REALLY fast (and the ATIV S needs pricing and availability data).
    10-04-2012 06:57 PM
  25. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    I do think the midrange phones will be the priority for Nokia and that's where the L820 is positioned. It is where they are best at.

    And honestly, despite my bias for Nokia, I really hope they shock us with better news. AT&T exclusive isn't one of those news.
    10-05-2012 03:59 AM
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