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  1. steve_w_7's Avatar
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    I don't think there are many WP users who truly HATE Nokia as an OEM. In fact, I would guess that many people have a great deal of fondness for the company. If you got your first mobile phone in the late 90s, it was probably made by Nokia.

    Whether you like Nokia and believe that the 920 is the flagship WP phone or not the fact is, Nokia has to succeed for Windows Phone to succeed. Success in the marketplace relies on consumers voting with their wallets. I realize that this is nothing new, but when a certain population is not given an opportunity to vote and decides to sit this one out or settle for second best or leave the ecosystem altogether, thats frustrating.

    The fact that we are members of the WPCentral forum says a lot about our passion for Windows Phone. No one can argue that Nokia has made some decisions recently that are frustrating, to say the least. When passionate people get frustrated, they act out not because they hate, but because they want that thing that they are so passionate about to succeed. A little anger sometimes aimed in the wrong place feels good and somehow it feels like can make a difference, if nothing more than getting people to talk about it. Its our own little Nokia Autumn.

    The worst thing that COULD happen would be that no one really cares WHAT happens.

    I dont know. I just wanted to put that out there...

    *steps off soapbox*
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    I agree, Nokia is a huge piece of the wp8 puzzle. I hope their strategy works because their success is pivotal.
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    Anyone who blames Nokia for the exclusivity is an *****. Verizon clearly does not give a **** about Nokia. Or Windows Phone for that matter.

    They want to keep pimping those fugly DROID phones.
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    Many people I know don't like Nokia. Its unfortunate that Nokia is the supposed mascot of the WP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WasteSomeTime View Post
    Many people I know don't like Nokia. Its unfortunate that Nokia is the supposed mascot of the WP.

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    They make the best phones. So it makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vagrantwade View Post
    Anyone who blames Nokia for the exclusivity is an *****. Verizon clearly does not give a **** about Nokia. Or Windows Phone for that matter.

    They want to keep pimping those fugly DROID phones.
    Awesome, Vagrantwade! Please share the link to these carrier exclusivity contracts you've gotten a hold of. I've been wanting to dive into those for some time now. It sounds like the covers are finally being pulled back on the details. I've been feeling like an ***** for a long time and it's not fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vagrantwade View Post
    Anyone who blames Nokia for the exclusivity is an *****. Verizon clearly does not give a **** about Nokia. Or Windows Phone for that matter.

    They want to keep pimping those fugly DROID phones.
    Explain tmobile then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by independentvolume View Post
    Explain tmobile then?
    You mean the 4th ranked carrier that was almost devoured by AT&T? What about them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vagrantwade View Post
    You mean the 4th ranked carrier that was almost devoured by AT&T? What about them?
    Which also happened to be the ONE carrier who for weeks on end was the ONLY carrier with WP7-specific ads on TV, and who was also the carrier to sell what was considered the first flagship phone (HD7)? Of course that was like 400 years ago in technology years...
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    Think Nokia failure = Windows Mobile failure is over stating it. Is an important player but theres Samsung, and HTC, MS declared platform flagship phone? The exclusive deal is a money thing, is it mistake, yes, but remains to be seen how big of one.

    Also been seeing lot of indicators that Verizon will eventually get a 920 variant. So if you dont have to have one at WM8 release just wait a bit and youll probably get a Verizon version. From what you can read it too seems, unlike Sprint, that Verizons attitude toward the platform has changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpguy View Post
    Which also happened to be the ONE carrier who for weeks on end was the ONLY carrier with WP7-specific ads on TV, and who was also the carrier to sell what was considered the first flagship phone (HD7)? Of course that was like 400 years ago in technology years...
    didn't TMobile did it by choice? (i mean phone selection) i don't think Nokia went out of their way and said no u can't have it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nataku4ca View Post
    didn't TMobile did it by choice? (i mean phone selection) i don't think Nokia went out of their way and said no u can't have it...
    Hard to say. I don't work for TMo.
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    T-Mobile would happily sell the 920 or a variant, but as I was informed by one poster, T-Mobile doesn't deserve it because its future is in doubt (while Nokia's, presumably, is rock solid and guaranteed). :P

    Rule #1 of business: make it easy for the customer to do business with you.

    I'd love to consider a top-end Nokia device, but they simply won't offer them on my carrier. It's very frustrating!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vagrantwade View Post
    Anyone who blames Nokia for the exclusivity is an *****. Verizon clearly does not give a **** about Nokia. Or Windows Phone for that matter.

    They want to keep pimping those fugly DROID phones.
    Really? Exclusivity is THEIR strategy.... http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/sup...trategy-144433
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    Quote Originally Posted by TK-093 View Post
    Really? Exclusivity is THEIR strategy.... http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/sup...trategy-144433
    Do you know WHY?

    Carriers have made it clear that they are not willing to do anything for Nokia if they aren't exclusive.

    What Nokia found is that AT&T and T-Mobile made a real effort to market the Lumia phones. They actually tried to get their salespeople to try and push the phone. And when all is said and done, having the salesperson recommend a device is a HUGE thing.

    In Europe, where there wasn't exclusivity, carriers weren't doing anything for Nokia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vagrantwade View Post
    You mean the 4th ranked carrier that was almost devoured by AT&T? What about them?
    I'm sorry, but it's a bit rich for Nokia -- which is losing billions of dollars -- to talk down to a profitable carrier.

    T-Mobile will still exist 24 months from now, and will be financially stronger than it is today. The same cannot be definitively said for Nokia.

    The arrogance of Nokia (with itself is fourth ranked in smartphones globally, and not even a top 10 player in the USA, incidentally) and its culture is a major reason why it's in such a crisis. This is a do-or-die six months for them, and the last thing that will help them is trash-talking a carrier who has always treated them fairly and distributed Nokia devices even when every other US carrier had already booted Nokia completely out of their lineup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcovert View Post
    Think Nokia failure = Windows Mobile failure is over stating it.
    I agree. Windows Phone can survive without Nokia. I think the reason Microsoft is (allegedly) making their own phone is testament to Microsoft's committment to make sure Windows Phone is here for the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winning Guy View Post
    Carriers have made it clear that they are not willing to do anything for Nokia if they aren't exclusive.
    Sorry, but that simply is not true, and I can confirm this as I know people at all the major carriers.

    T-Mobile, in particular, would be happy to push Windows Phones of all sorts as an alternative, regardless of "exclusivity." It is differentiating on 4G network speeds, unlimited data, and value.
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    If the Nokia 920 bombs(I hope it doesn't)it will be a text book example of what not to do, to other companies.
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    Felt this would be appropriate in this topic as well, since some of these "frustrated concerned" members have predicted their analysis for Nokia as a "fail" also:

    Did the Droid Razr prove to be a "fail" for being on Verizon only?

    The original Note?

    The EVO 4G?

    The Samsung Moment on Sprint?

    The MyTouch phones (in the beginning) for T-Mo?

    The sidekicks?

    ****, the original Razr that was on AT&T at first?

    The LG Chocolate line on Verizon?

    The Hero on Sprint that was different than the GSM version?

    The Blackberry Torch on AT&T? The Storm on Verizon (granted it suck but there was buzz)?

    All of these phones, did pretty damn well and created a lot of buzz regardless of being on one carrier. And outside of the storm, they were all well received. I NEVER saw any talks of how the company is going to FAIL simply of providing a carrier exclusive. Oh, flipping, well. It's been like this for decades. I've been with every major carrier except for Verizon, and while being on those, I've had a lot of phone envy seeing phones come out to certain carriers, but I've never had a reaction like people are having. It's beyond ridiculous. And IMO, it's really a joke for some members to pretend that their blatant tantrums are constructive criticisms that comes from a general concern for the OEM. Please. You are upset because YOU can't get the 920, and that's okay. I've been disappointed to not be able to handle A LOT of phones in my lifetime, but it's NOT this big of a deal.
    Nokia Lumia 1020/Blu Studio 5.0 LTE owner here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wpguy View Post
    Which also happened to be the ONE carrier who for weeks on end was the ONLY carrier with WP7-specific ads on TV, and who was also the carrier to sell what was considered the first flagship phone (HD7)? Of course that was like 400 years ago in technology years...
    So, let's see. If AT&T tells Nokia it has to have exclusivity - perhaps for a period - on a Lumia 920-like device if Nokia wants any kind of promotion and point-of-sale favours, Nokia should run to T-Mobile, the least of the major carriers?

    Even Samsung had to create carrier "exclusives" with the Galaxy S2, and that's after worldwide success of the predecessor and the S2 itself.
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    Personally I'm on WP because of Nokia. Because they make the best phones and the quality of their commitment, innovations and hardware can make any OS usable (even Symbian that was a ****... I've been using it for 2 years on my N8 because up until recently no other phone could take photos nearly as good. My friends are still impressed by their quality after 2 years!). So if Nokia's WP strategy doesn't work and a new one has to be made I'll probably move with them too.
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    cckgz4, the Droid RAZR was indeed a failure, as Motorola is still missing its sales predictions and is deep in the red. They recently announced that they're laying off about half of their staff. Doesn't seem like a "success" to me.

    The other examples are all either failures or examples from 5+ years ago.

    The Sprint Hero and BB Torch were both sales bombs.

    Talking about the Original iPhone, the LG Chocolate (not even a smartphone), the original Moto RAZR (not even a smartphone) or the Sprint Exclusive Treos in 2003 is about as relevant as discussing the Atari 1040ST or the Macintosh SE. They're not even in the modern technology context.

    Next, you're going to start citing VoiceStream and Comcast Metrophone press releases as evidence that the failed carrier-exclusive business model for smartphones in the modern era "can succeed." :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryNil View Post
    So, let's see. If AT&T tells Nokia it has to have exclusivity - perhaps for a period - on a Lumia 920-like device if Nokia wants any kind of promotion and point-of-sale favours, Nokia should run to T-Mobile, the least of the major carriers?
    Hmmm... let's think carefully about this one.

    Do I want to be the flagship phone of a smaller carrier who will promote my phone as the best on its network, suggesting that people buy my Lumia 920 instead of an iPhone from the big guys, resulting in millions of sales and major publicity for my new flagship phone?

    Do I want to sell my phone through the #4 carrier that sells more of my phones in the US market than any other, with a large population of millions of Nokia users ready to step up to the latest-and-greatest?

    Or should I go with an exclusive on the larger #2 carrier who will have a half-dozen other "exclusive" phones in addition to mine at the same time, ticking off the smaller carrier who has historically sold most of my phones, while ensuring that my "exclusive" Lumia 920 collects dust on a back shelf and is only purchased by my brand's die-hards?

    Should I go with an exclusive on the #2 carrier who promised me they'd sell 2 million Lumia 900s, but only ended up selling about 300,000?

    Should I go with the exclusive on the #2 carrier who has almost no remaining Nokia users, and thus nobody to upgrade?

    Decisions, decisions...
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