- 10-28-2012, 08:21 PM #1
I randomly look up high resolution photos of windows phones (yes) and just observe them.
I noticed something interesting today. The lockscreen. I attached the image below for visual reference.
Notice the notification center? No. You do not slide down from the top. You look at the bottom.
So the "detailed" spot is where your favorite app is (or most important by choice). In this example, calendar is the detailed spot. So you just got notified with your next appointment.
And people complaining that it isn't the same: This is much more organized than the notification system in android. My tablet gets filled quite easily. (Don't worry, surface is on it's way :)
It also shows the amount of Skype calls you missed, email, and...an AP notification.
I'm guessing it stands for the Associated Press. Maybe it would let you know when there is a new story?
AND WHAT ABOUT THE START SCREEN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD? And that isn't good enough?
- 10-28-2012, 10:11 PM #2
The main complainers about notification centers are people being passive aggressive and complaining that Windows isn't like iOS or Android. It is like a Windows user complaining that Mac OS X doesn't have a taskbar, or that Android lacks live tiles.
10-28-2012, 11:15 PM #3
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No, my complaint is not that WP isn't like iOS or Android. My complaint is that there is no way to see toasts that you missed. I don't see how the new lock screen changes that.
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- 10-29-2012, 10:59 AM #5
thed is right, the thing that's missing is a way to view toast notifications that were missed. Such a listing isn't a notification center in the Android or iOS sense (which is good for me because I don't want their notification center) since it would only log toasts. Live Tiles aren't an alternative because they act as a counter or small display and can't tell me which toasts I missed.
I'll give you an example use case. I'm the developer behind the WP7 version of DrexelOne Mobile, a portal for our students, faculty, and staff. (We also have iOS, Android, and Blackberry builds and did have webOS until HP killed it.) If a student so chooses, Drexel will send a toast out to them as grades are posted, holds are placed on their records, their DragonCard balance runs low, etc. The live tile can show the count of how many alerts there have been, but not which type. As things exist today, toasts that are missed and simply lost.
A toast log could show the list of missed toasts and tapping one of them could launch the app and bring the student directly to the correct page (grades, holds, DragonCard, etc). An unattractive alternative is to build such logging into server-side components and for the client-side app to then poll the list on start-up. This denies the user a quick-look capability and requires every developer to modifiy both the client- and server-side apps.
The current lack of a toast log requires users to dedicte a tile for every app of interest rather than just the apps of high-interest and it requires developers to implement live tiles as well as toasts when toasts alone are all that is needed.
- 10-29-2012, 11:11 AM #6
I agree. People are putting false words in the mouth of people who don't agree about the way things works. That "new" lock screen has been discussed for a while now.
A simple solution, as stated 10000000 before, would be to allow the toast notification to stay up until they are dismissed.
- 10-29-2012, 01:40 PM #7
The simple solution is to have a live tile that shows the number of toasts you currently have unchecked and when you click on the live tile it opens up a toast log. Very simple.
- 10-29-2012, 02:27 PM #8
I love that someone is creating apps for such a small user group and for WP. That is great. Push the platform by showing other developers how much can be done with WP instead of just being frustrated at functions not available in the OS. Use what it can do better.
- 10-29-2012, 02:41 PM #9
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- 10-29-2012, 05:11 PM #11
Notifications are a big deal. My theory is that MS is reticent to include a notification center because it wants to coerce developers into utilizing live tiles more. There are a couple of problems with that approach. First, an app needs to be pinned to the Start screen in order to receive live tile notifications. Second, live tiles don't always work. A notification center at the OS level would solve all that, but they probably think that it will make developers lazy and turn tiles into plain old icons, negating a signature feature.
- 10-29-2012, 05:40 PM #16
- 10-29-2012, 06:34 PM #18
1. Apps aren't notified of incoming* toasts or tile updates and thus can't log them. If a toast is tapped, the app is launched, but the app doesn't know that it was launched because of a toast (unless the toast included a launch argument, a feature that became available with Mango.)
The server-side of an app could log toasts on its side, create a new web service API for the client app to request that list, and update the app to make that call. But that makes every developer repeat a lot of the same work when the more efficient alternative is to have MS make toast logging a basic service of the OS that's automatically available to all apps and simplifies client- and server-side development and that makes the Windows Phone platform more attractive to develop for.
2. Even having an app-accessible toast logging service available in the phone isn't ideal because it would still require that users pin all apps that might send toasts AND that the server-side of all such apps also send updated tiles at the same time so that tile counts can be updated. Without both of these, users wouldn't know which apps had missed toasts logged. So, it still requires client- and server-side upates to apps, all to close a gap that Windows Phone has relative to the other platforms.
Having said all of that, I understand that most folks don't have much of a need for such a feature. Of those who do, only a subset want a "missed toast" app or an Android/iOS-style notification center. This is likely why MS prioritized it where they did and why we don't yet have such a thing.
* Note that tiles updated locally through background tasks or tile schedules are different, but create the same basic problem of pushing the work from the center where it can be done once by MS to the edges where it has to be done repeatedly.
- 10-30-2012, 02:27 AM #20