- 11-02-2012, 04:43 PM #26
The marginal cost of the radio hardware and software was likely not worth the marginal benefit from it. If millions of WPs with built-in radios added $1 in cost per phone, but only a few thousand users actually use it, it makes economic sense to eliminate the feature and use the resources on something that would benefit more people.
- 11-02-2012, 05:07 PM #27
The hardware is already there. There is no extra cost to it. As far as software cost to enable it again for WP8, I would bet $10,000 dollars and a pension fund that the miniscle 2-4 manhours needed to turn back on this feature (most $1,000) would be justified for even low end 1% of the customers that apprecieated it.
I hope I am wrong or I hope the feature will come back. But I think Microsoft was strong armed by the carriers to leave this feature out. In their risk analysis, they figured that the carriers would advertise the WP8 product more and Microsoft would get more adopters. So if they lose 1% of WP7 adopters but gain 30% more customers to WP8 because of carrier support, it worked out for them and the carriers get to charge data fees for streaming radio.
I think I understand that I am a minor statistical blimp of corporate greed.
- 11-02-2012, 05:50 PM #29
Wasn't sure if you were serious about not being aware.
Its in the specs of page 1 and 2.
- 11-02-2012, 08:11 PM #30
- 11-02-2012, 09:50 PM #33
I tried using the FM radio on both my arrive and HD7 in the past and couldn't get reception on any stations that were even remotely useful whereas a flashlight radio (with a real antenna) picked up those stations clear.
11-03-2012, 04:21 AM #34
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App platform compatibility
I am not sure if, hardware permits, Microsoft/OEM can enable it somehow at the later stage, but it seems that a third party app will not be able to enable the radio.
There goes my plan to buy Nokia Lumia 920. Aaaaarrrrggggggghhhhhhh :mad: :@
- 11-03-2012, 10:18 AM #35
Unfortunately, you are correct. We don't have access to the OS with unlocked boot loader or anything. If this is going to happen, it has to be something that Microsoft pushes back against the carrier on for the benefit of the consumer.
Besides we are not only paying for the phone, we are also paying for the Qualcomm SoC.
11-03-2012, 02:45 PM #36
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Who cares. I have radio in my car.
If I happen to be far enough from people or civilization, how would I have gotten that far away without a vehicle. To my recollection, vehicles have had radios in them since the 1920's. If I find myself out where a vehicle would not go, and I long to hear a human voice, I'm sure I can wait until I get back. If I'm far enough away from people on foot that I can't get back, the battery will die in less than 2 days anyways.
You are whining about a niche feature. Most people only care that they have at least 32gigs of local memory for music and podcasts. Personally, I can't stand the radio. That mainsteam music makes me want to drown infants in a burlap sack. Give me some heavy metal (that no north american radio station plays btw, I can only take so much of AC/DC and Alanis Morosette (sp?)) and I couldn't possibly care less that FM radio is gone.
11-03-2012, 02:53 PM #37
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A car manufacturer offers several options for audio in a vehicle. They offer standard AM/FM with CD, standard AM FM without CD, HD AM/FM with CD, and In dash navigation with all those features. The CPU/Cmd module of the vehicle supports the in dash naviation console but without the software from the screen module connected to it, it doesn't give you those features. They use the same Cmd module for all those options because it is economical and less costly than installing a Cmd module that has less features.
So are they removing a feature from you because you didn't get the advanced navigation system simply because the CPU supports it? No.
The demand for FM radio is likely so small, that they don't see any need to try force all manufacturers to include functionality for it as a standard, even if the snapdragon supports it.
- 11-03-2012, 04:02 PM #38
- 11-04-2012, 11:36 AM #41
What?! So it's been confirmed that Windows Phones won't have FM radio? What a shame...that was one of the things that drew me to Windows Phone 7 in the first place. Don't really know what I'm going to do. I still love the OS, but one of its perks has been taken away. I have nothing against the other OSes either...I'll have to wait to compare the next generation of phones in person, I suppose.
- 11-04-2012, 12:41 PM #42
Another point that everyone seems to be missing here is that FM radio requires HARDWARE.
The OEM's have decided to opt out of including the HARDWARE used to receive FM radio broadcasts, likely because there is so little demand for it and space is a precious commodity inside a modern smartphone.
So it's not Microsoft's fault.
I thought the FM radio was kind of a cool feature, though I rarely used it, the idea of listening without using bandwidth/data is appealing, though all local radio is generally crap, there's always NPR.
I'd like to have FM radio just for the **** of it, but I can't say I'm really going to miss it all that much. If there was a way to listen to it over the speaker instead of headphones and they supported HD radio broadcasts instead of the old staticky junk, I'd been a little more interested.
The bottom line is most people don't care about this feature, that's the truth. Sometimes people here get a little caught up in thinking that something that is really important to them is/should be important to everyone. It's just not always the case. Trust me when I tell you 99% of the smartphone market, in the U.S. at least, could not give any less of a **** about FM radio being included.
- 11-04-2012, 01:35 PM #43
These articles do a good job of explaining the decline of terrestrial radio in the US. Why Terrestrial Radio Will Never Be Great Again - DailyFinance
Turn on radio for new tunes? Young listeners say iWon’t - The Boston Globe
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- 11-04-2012, 04:31 PM #45
I understand I am in the minority. Maybe even a 1 per center. I appreciate all forms of audio consumption, this is not just about music. I have used FM Radio in conditions where it is impossible for internet radio. I can think of another situation where FM would be vital. Like some of you who could care less about FM, my individuality prevents me from following along with what is best for others. But I respect your opinion.
But what puzzles me is the staunch defense of FM's departure as I thought more would give pause about the loss of choice, the loss of freedom and the loss of functionality.
But when all is said and done, this is just one voice expressed on an internet forum.
- 11-04-2012, 04:53 PM #47
I found these statistics on radio listeners which I found interesting:
Audio: By the Numbers | State of the Media
It seems radio is still more popular than I thought. Total radio listeners have remained fairly constant but more are switching away from traditional AM/FM broadcasts towards digital streams on their phones/cars/computers.
- 11-05-2012, 12:44 AM #48
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