11-04-2012, 06:24 PM #1
- 58 Posts
so remember every time android fans talked smack and we gave them that line? well guess what? we were hella wrong.
Having used the HTC 8X for several days, it is obvious that windows phone does need dual core processors. it is amazing how smooth the operating system performs with current generation processors. Apps load much, much quicker and animations flow buttery smooth.
trust me, when you start playing with a wp8 device day in and day out, you will appreciate this new system and hardware.
your thoughts please
- 11-04-2012, 06:44 PM #3
I'm puzzled by OP's reasoning. If the OS runs buttery smooth with 2 cores, why couldn't it run acceptably with 1 core?
It's not the number of cores that prevents WP8 from working on older devices, it's the entire CPU architecture which is obsolete by modern standards.
- 11-04-2012, 07:33 PM #5
For example the Nexus 4, having the S4 Pro, has not only a superior CPU/GPU to the L920/8X but it also has 4 cores instead of 2 (although 4 is not really an advantage for WP8).
- 11-04-2012, 08:58 PM #9
To the OP. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I do wonder how you know???
Say you where to deactivate one of the cores on your WP8 device. You do realize that the remaining core is still much faster then the single core on your previous WP7 device, right? How do you know that single-core performance bump isn't the main contributing factor to better performance? (hint: in most cases it is)
Thanks to having ported the NT kernel and MinWin to ARM, Microsoft was able to bring the entire .NET run-time environment from Windows 8 over to WP8. How do you know this vastly superior .NET implementation (in comparison to what we had on Windows CE) isn't the main reason you're experiencing much improved start-up times? (hint: it is)
The Adreno 225 GPU is about six times faster than the GPU used in 1st gen WP7 devices. How do you know this faster GPU isn't the main contributor to improved UI performance? (hint: it is).
These are all huge improvements that have absolutely nothing to do with the second CPU core. How do you know that second CPU core is so much more responsible for performance improvements, than the combined effect of all the above (hint: it isn't).
On WP, smooth UI performance is mainly a function of GPU performance, so when it comes to "smoothness" that second core isn't really that involved at all.
In order to improve app startup times, Microsoft certainly has a few options on how to bring that second core to bear. However, to date I haven't read anything in the developer documentation suggesting they were active on that front (maybe they were, maybe they weren't). Have you?
How do you know the improvements you are seeing come from where you say they are?
11-04-2012, 10:31 PM #11
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It doesnt need it to compete, it needs it to keep up with the times.
the WP7 devices came with the snapdragon S1's, while everyone else was using S2's. Then the second gen devices were using Snapdragon S2's while everyone else was moving onto snapdragon S4 duals.
Now WP8 is using S4 duals. ITs still a little bit late to the game but not significantly so. Apple is still using duals and wont see quads (if they do go quad) until the next iphone or ipad, and other than the existing Exynos or Tegra 3 models (which the S4 beats most of the time) No one really has quads. Snapdragon S4 quad is the next step but its not significantly available as the S4 duals. And the next Exynos ad Tegra chipsets wont be out till next year.
- 11-05-2012, 12:35 AM #14
Android is always "fixed in the latest version," but not really.
- 11-05-2012, 07:36 AM #16
11-05-2012, 09:25 AM #17
- 400 Posts
I wouldn't be surprised. It took Intel and AMD the step to multicore to make computing a lot smoother now. I mean, back in the Pentium and Athlon days, single cores were 'good enough'. But the few running 2 processors on specialized boards knew better, and only when dual core processors became mainstream did we really knew that 1 core really isn't that great.
I am looking forward to getting a WP8 device. WP7's performance with third party apps is getting to me (Whatsapp and Facebook) and I will love a WP8 device.
- 11-05-2012, 11:41 AM #18
There's no doubt that dual core processors will improve performance when paired with software that's designed to take advantage of them, but it's faulty logic to automatically attribute the improvements you're noticing to dual-cores alone. Could have something to do with it, or it might have little to do with it.
That said, I think dual core was inevitable and anyone who knows what their talking about knows they will improve performance, but ONLY when using software that utilizes them and in a way where they come into play.
The same will be true for quad core and so forth. It's not like just adding horsepower to a car.
- 11-05-2012, 11:45 AM #19
This is the same thing that will happen if/when the Windows Phone app catalog adds enough content to be on-par with Google Play and/or iTunes. Right now, every WP fanboy says: "Apps? Who but the most ardent hipster downloads more than an app a month? Most of the apps for iOS are crappy anyway!"
- 11-05-2012, 12:01 PM #21
The OP is claiming that WP8 is faster because of the dual-core CPU that WP7 phones didn't have, without taking into account that WP8 is a completely different kernel and that other factors have contributed to a "faster" UI experience.
It's all BS.
- 11-07-2012, 03:06 PM #22
Overall WP7 can be considered quite fast, but as always simple questions and simple answers rarely apply to technology.
WP8 should fix most if not all of the remaining weak spots, although a poorly developed app is likely to perform poorly no matter how good OS and/or hardware may be.
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