- 01-08-2013, 03:56 PM #26
now, is there any reason I can't copy a .pdf to my phone? from my windows 8 pc. I have a ton of .txt files for how to stuff and network CLI commands I like to keep with me for easy reference. The more I read, the more it seems like there a just a few basic things I don't want "in the cloud". I am very often in a place with no signal and no network, cause I'm there to fix the network and would like to have a few files on my phone. Just seems silly and short sighted.
and the .wav issue.. if over half the cisco phone systems and alot of other phone systems .wav voice mails can't be played, that is just plain short sighted. pay the fraction of a cent per phone to license the wav codec and move on, this is supposed to be a business phone, not a kids toy. If MS wants an integrated platform they have to expect business users to be able to do business work. It's just basic. I can only hope that all our griping here get MS to see that so they can fix a few minor issues (I could care less about the app of the day, i'm talking about saving a .pdf to phone storage here and playing a .wav file, stuff I've been able to do since my palm and WM treos).
- 01-09-2013, 05:41 AM #29
- 01-09-2013, 07:35 AM #31
- 01-09-2013, 10:10 AM #32
01-09-2013, 10:22 AM #33
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If I remember correctly, I did a drag and drop from my Win 7 Desktop to Skydrive. I can open it with PDF Reader on my Lumia 920. What else were you looking to test?
edit: The PDF I downloaded to skydrive and viewed on my phone is a 200+ page car users manual.
Last edited by Mark Rozanski; 01-09-2013 at 10:33 AM.
- 01-09-2013, 10:25 AM #34
- 01-09-2013, 10:32 AM #35
Operating systems are. It started subtly with the introduction of libraries instead of only directories. Now we have integration of cloud services to save documents directly to Skydrive and other services, Windows 8 Storage Spaces, etc... Combine that with mobile device UI's and we are moving away from a transparent directory system to a more intuitive system where things are just shown where they need to be (regardless of where they are). That's the direction we are headed, it doesn't matter what directory a song is it just shows up in Music or where an Excel file is it just shows up in Documents, etc...
- 01-09-2013, 11:07 AM #37
a library is just a view for a known location of searched directories.
I don't want a pdf on the sky drive. I keep, for example, fishing regulation with me for fishing references. Most of the time when I'm out on a lake in BFE i'm not about to have data service to pull something from the magic sky god that houses my data, I want it on the phone, so when i'm heading to a lake, I can pull down that lakes regulations, and when I am on the lake I have it for reference on my phone.
Just seems silly and short sighted for the enterprise to not be able to download, store or share (email or download from email or web) supported apps they we have for 10 years on windows mobile smart phones.
- 01-09-2013, 11:19 AM #38
If the system was intuitive, there would not be threads questioning "where are my music playlists!?!?", or "why can't I save a pdf to blah", or "why doesn't x file show up in y app ?!" as so many questions happen here.
Downloaded files. where are you...
Downloaded files. where are you...
- 01-09-2013, 11:25 AM #39
Exactly, even if the .pdf shows up in the pdf reader, or music shows up in music player, I should be able to transfer a file to my phone. I manage my music on my PC and just have a music folder on my phone, it's how I've done it since 2006 on my treo, with every phone OS I've ever had, I can also move and delete documents I want on my storage this way. just seems like they are killing any chance at major enterprise adoption if you can't handle documents in the most basic of ways. it should not be hard to know if you downloaded a pdf or sales presentation or reference document that you know where it is and you can later email it directly (not share through some magic data portal) or delete it.
This is and the .wav issues are my only real concern for adoption of this phone by me. I wouldn't think in 2013 I would have to worry about what files my phone would let me download or email around.
- 01-09-2013, 11:49 AM #40That makes no sense. Directories are where files are. A directory that is shared with external services (whoevers service it is) is still user accessible in sane environments.
duh, and its moving behind the scenes. it started slowly with libraries and has only kept going.
01-09-2013, 04:27 PM #42
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(WP8) If you are opening PDF's from IE, you can allow them to open in MS PDF reader, press hardware back key, then from IE AppBar (...)>Share. IE keeps the link in the address bar when you return to it. Email it to yourself and open on your PC. Sure not as smooth as just Share to Skydrive but it'll work.
- 01-10-2013, 06:01 AM #43
The future is, you open the word processor and you have all those documents shown. You open photos, same thing. This is the future - no putting a bunch of files in arbitrary folders in arbitrary locations. Hopefully there's still a chance we get custom folders within those individual apps - if not, some useful sorting tools - but even that's on the table. In the long run, this is far better for the average user than the user-facing file explorers you see in Windows, OS X and Android. Show someone who is essentially tech illiterate Windows and Windows Explorer and see how they fare tackling it by themselves. It's an incredibly steep learning curve.
Right now, we're definitely not at the stage where such a system is painless - quite the opposite. Yes, you should be able to transfer a file from your computer to your phone and have the right app access it... but that doesn't mean what you'd traditionally expect. It might just be one big folder called documents that you put your PDFs into, or maybe even just one folder where everything goes - which is then "sorted" automatically. Then, it's a matter of apps having access to that central storage, or for the phone to intelligently tag or move the transferred file to a place where the app can find it.
The annoyances are something that need to be ironed out, not something to turn us away from the idea altogether.
- 01-10-2013, 10:41 AM #45
AngryNil, one big folder called "user files" would be fine for me. I can sort for types. I'm just shocked I can't save and email something as simple and harmless as a pdf from a smartphone in 2013. I really really want to get a windows phone, but I have a few features I have to have for my job, and that I would like to have for personal use. One is playing a .wav voicemail. Second is the ability to use my phone storage to store document and a few critical files and to be able to download and email a document. I know there are crazy other ways to do it, but as you say, I shouldn't have to spin in a circle left 3 times to know the magic method to get a link into sky drive and then send a link.. I don't want to send sky drive links to clients for stuff when I'm remote seems... obtuse.. especially against something as simple as "long press save" open pdf reader (I don't HAVE to have a browser if does it), find the file long press "share" choose email.. then they have the file, not some link that 2 days from know I delete, forgetting it was for them..
I know I'm being picky, and I know the new OS is leaps and bounds better than 7.X, but there a few things, that really should get fixed.. I should be able to email a picture at full res.. I should be able to email a document, I have email.. but they are trying to make it a sky drive and facebook link share.. which I get. I've started using sky drive for a few things, it's neat, they have some nice features.. but businesses email.. email everything under 10 MB (or more a lot of places now), so let me just send an email and be done.
- 01-10-2013, 10:46 AM #46Perhaps jhguth failed to properly communicate his point. We are moving towards a future where the file system isn't user-facing, he's not talking about the fundamentals of what a file system is being dissolved.
my point was that instead of saying "i want full access to the files ystem like its 1998!" we should be saying "this current system needs to work better!" I think its still missing a lot of things, but I think navigating folders for organization is not the answer, especially so on small touchscreen devices.
- 01-10-2013, 03:36 PM #48
Like I said, I could care less if I can't browse it on the phone. It still won't let me save something locally, and then email it back out.
I read of another user that could not hook is phone as USB storage and copy a pdf to it... really!? if true, it is disheartening that windows, king of "do what you want" has gone so far the other way that an iphone looks open in comparison. lock me out of the folders the system users, don't need it, but I do need to be able to save some files.. just save a pdf, from an email or the internet, maybe put a pdf or word doc on the phone for reference.. is that so unreasonable?
- 01-11-2013, 10:17 AM #49
Where the **** are my keys ? What was the name of the app that shows me my keys, since I don't know where they are stored again ?
I have a few apps that scan the sdcard (another hot topic!) And display what relevant files they find. Video players, video editors, document editors, etc. Its neat, butt when its time to acutally EMAIL, mms, upload or SYNC the files, id like to know it actually is possible, instead of probable.