11-07-2012, 06:51 AM #26
- 78 Posts
OP being obvious troll here.
If OP had researched anything, he'd find out Lumia 920 commands a price of 600 euros in Europe (that being 768 dollars with today's rate), and 8X can be had for 550 euros (that's 705 dollars with today's rate).
So... Premium enough, or still not understanding subsidies?
- 11-08-2012, 12:25 AM #28
11-08-2012, 12:45 AM #30
- 297 Posts
wormy6 have you used a Windows Phone 7x device (or a Windows Phone 8 device)?
I don't think better hardware is going to do much, the OS is buttery smooth and extremely quick, on part if not faster than the iPhone and Android flagship phones.
I do understand that expensive can make people think it's better quality (cars are a good example here), but Microsoft with their Windows Phones are not in a position to price their phones near the same cost as the competition. With only 4% of the market those not already familiar with Windows Phone won't even bother looking at it if priced the same as an iPhone 5, for example.
They need to turn heads and pricing the Lumia 920 (for example) with a free wireless charging pad is going to turn some heads. That's arguably the first thing people notice when looking at phones - the price. Then they see 'new tech' with the wireless charging and will start to ask questions about it. From that point forward it's up to the salesperson or friend/word-of-mouth to make the final sale of the phone.
- 11-08-2012, 07:05 AM #33
This does not detract from the key point I am making about it being important to have some really impressive WP8 devices:
Building a brand is also important, especially when people are first seeing a big new brand like WP8. Some people look at the prices, and they are looking for high end, expensive phones. A lot of the time these are the (shallow) people who are setting the example for the rest of society. These people are looking for hardware that they are comfortable with. Young women, especially ones who find themselves out at night without pockets or a purse (see: single, beautiful), look for the smallest, lightest high-end phone possible. Men go where the women are. Phones have become a status symbol the same way cars were decades ago. What are the 2 top clothing/accessories a woman uses to judge a man's appearance? Shoes & phone. Again, this is about branding not marketshare. It is not about how things should be, this is just how things are. This is how iSheep are born/how pop culture works. This is why advertising is always directed to 20-35 year olds; they steer the market.
And on a slightly more personal note, I am sick of seeing iphones beat android and wp devices on camera reviews across the net. Over and over. In more recent reviews, 8X pictures are blurry and desaturated compared to the iphone. Ugh! Why cant they get it right? I know the galaxy S3 and lumia 920 both have good cameras, and they are tempting. So large though.
11-08-2012, 08:37 AM #34
- 78 Posts
My honest guess? Some of those reviewers don't know how to use two-stage camera button. I still remember vividly the Nokia N8 camera review by then Engadget writer Vlad Savov. It was beyond silly. He somehow managed to make the pictures look so bad that iP4 was competition to N8.
11-08-2012, 12:14 PM #35
- 474 Posts
apple overprices everything because they CAN, everything they make costs more than non-apple products by 100-200. It has nothing to do with premium and everything to do with 'they can get away with it because theres people willing to pay for it'
you ever notice how a similar product to an apple product always costs way less than the apple product?
- 11-08-2012, 12:17 PM #36
One other point to make about the subsidized price. With WP8 the carrier gets a slice of the app/music store revenue. I don't think this is the case with either android or iphone. Not sure how much it helps, but it sure gives the carriers an incentive to make WP a big hit, if only to give them leverage to force google and apple into the same sort of deal.
- 11-08-2012, 01:45 PM #38
I understand a little of TC's frustration, while the 8X and ATIV S are nice devices, once you compared them to the Note 2 and J Butterfly, they end up looking a bit Mid-ranged. The prices certainly reflect that.
I myself don't mind that as I'm waiting for the next batch of devices.
- 05-05-2013, 01:31 PM #39
That is sort of the situation I have put myself into, WinterFang. I went ahead and got a iphone 5, which is good device although I do not like the software nearly as much as windows phone software, and apple customer support is terrible and overpriced. I am happy enough with it though for now, and hopefully when it is time to get a new phone there will be a WP8 phone that has the 'wow' effect as far as thinness and weight goes. I have been reading about the WP8 phone with a aluminum exterior instead of plastic, which sounds pretty premium too, so that is nice.
- 05-05-2013, 01:58 PM #40
Though, this thread is older, I think the op misinterpreted the ad...the price advertised was not the retail value of the phone. Most phones in contact are subsidized...you pay less up front if you agree to a 2 yr or more contact with your carrier. It has nothing to do with the phones overall value.
The HTC 8x, Lumia 920, and Samsung Ativ s are all considered premium windows phone devices. In my opinion, "premium" means advanced features, not higher price. So, the advanced features of these phones include front facing cameras, advanced photographic lenses, turn by turn voice navigation, NFC, wireless charging, solid design build, and much more.
With that being said...if any of the abovementioned phones really were less than $200 as a retail, non-contract price, I don't think there would be any left in stock! Lol! They would still be premium phones with the best value in the entire smartphone market!
- 05-05-2013, 02:07 PM #42
I actually like the 920s weight a lot. I can't stand fe. Samsung Galaxy S3/4 that are so big yet so light. They feel as toys as a phone can barely feel. I do agree though that 920 has big dimensions for the screen size and that the space could've perhaps used better for a tad better screen, but that's a minor thing for me.
05-05-2013, 06:02 PM #45
- 719 Posts
The supposed 'premium' Android devices (S4, HTC One) may have top spec hardware (they need to so Android doesn't lag. Still does though!!) are light and feel cheap. Drop one and it will disintegrate.
I would rather have the 920's weight and thickness, so I have a heavy weapon to use on snobby Android users.. LOL.
I have used the HTC One and S4 extensively and they are still the same dull Android experience as before. Nothing new, and STILL the annoying glitches even with all that horsepower.
Mobile phone users look down on WP users because most 'reviewers' are very, very biased toward what a phone looks like, and what hardware it contains. Particularly Android based devices. I like being in the WP minority. It imbues a smugness in me because I have a device that actually works quickly, looks and feels gorgeous, and I don't need 200 finger presses to get the job done.