- 11-18-2012, 11:33 PM #1
Windows Phone is NOT your old iPhone. It doesn't have static grids of icons, an "app" that covers every functional requirement (rather than integrated features), a user model built around syncing with a desktop PC for most upgrades/media, and a legacy Mosaic-style browser. If you must have those things -- and it's more important than having a streamlined, modern UI with a focus on important data instead of sorting through dozens of extraneous notifications -- WP might not be for you.
Windows Phone is NOT your old Android. If rooting your device, having 17 browsers with customizable kernels and sixteen-layer-deep dropdown menus, replaceable kernels, a bunch of big ugly widgets on the home screen, and 300,000 apps that all look and function completely differently from app to app are more important to you than a stable, streamlined, efficient and malware-free experience -- WP might not be for you.
Incidentally, both the iOS and Android user models are WRONG for a majority of users. That's why Windows Phone even exists, and why it has opportunity.
Trying to make your new WP into your old iOS or Android device is the wrong approach. If you bought it for what it is, you should be learning how to migrate from the 1980s-style "icon/desktop" form factor to the Modern UI form factor. No more need for a "Facebook Messenger App" -- it's built-in. No more need for clicking the "back arrow" 16 times to get to the page you want in the browser -- just tap "recent pages" and then tap on the page you want. And so on.
If you aren't willing to do this, you're embarking on an exercise in frustration, just like a Mac guy who buys a Dell and then complains that it's not the same as his MacBook, or the iOS guy who wonders what happened to iTunes on his new BlackBerry Bold 9900.
- 11-19-2012, 01:36 AM #6
- 11-19-2012, 01:39 AM #7
11-19-2012, 01:45 AM #8
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WP has a different way of doing things. If you're migrating from a different OS, and expect it to be the same, then you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
There are a bunch of things that would annoy me if I was using an iPhone or Android phone. But that's because I'm so used to a workflow that is built around Windows Phone.
If your workflow is built around a different OS's strengths, you'll be annoyed unless you change the way you work.
- 11-19-2012, 02:31 AM #11
I really like the OP.
A LOT of the complaints I have read in this forum have, when studied, come down to people getting frustrated because WP does not do things the same way as Android and/or iOS. But when you just find out how WP does it usually the WP way is a lot more efficient and simpler even.
- 11-19-2012, 02:40 AM #12
11-19-2012, 03:54 AM #14
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For example, the browser. This is my pet peeve. Recent pages isn't enough. What if you want to find something from a long time ago? There's no "recent search" and scrolling lists of 100 visited sites (without fast scrolling!) is annoying. And why, why are there no forward and back buttons? Why? I use UC Browser, which has more features like a "legacy Mosaic based browser". Alternate apps like a dedicated Facebook Messenger are often more fully featured than what's integrated. A lot of people like 3rd party Twitter clients, for instance.
I love WP but hate some things done in the name of simplicity. The browser features in particular are not beyond average users and hinder more than help. What I want, is a "streamlined, modern UI with a focus on important data" that is capable of more than the basics, whether integrated or through 3rd party apps. That is what I hope WP will become. It's not wrong to want a new WP device to replace something else. I think this is why some people bought and returned WP devices. IMHO, they have potential. But they aren't capable replacements AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
- a Lumia 710 owner who has never had an iPhone or Android
- 11-19-2012, 06:07 AM #15
why, why are there no forward and back buttons? Why?
I think this is why some people bought and returned WP devices. IMHO, they have potential. But they aren't capable replacements AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I think it is honestly that simple. I'd hate to see Windows Phone defaced with front and back buttons and other legacy concepts just to appeal to people who would be better served either by relearning a better way to do things (the Windows way) or grabbing an Android device.
Imagine if Apple had embedded the CP/M prompt in the original Macintosh so people didn't have to use "that mouse thingy," or if Windows 7 included provisions for "Program Groups" and shutting off the task bar. It's the same thing. It's time for users to abandon all those obsolete things you're listing and learn a better way.
That's what WP8 is all about. If it's going to be an operating system laced with obsolete 3-decade-old UI from the iOS and Android camps, it's going to fail automatically, since that would make it a "me too" OS (and harm its complete rethinking of how a device should function).
- 11-19-2012, 01:50 PM #19
11-19-2012, 03:09 PM #20
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Good debate, by the way.
11-19-2012, 03:21 PM #21
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I've been a Windows Phone user since day one, and WP8 is a step back even from the initial 7.0 release in a lot of ways. It has a lot of promise, but honestly a lot of the new stuff just seems half-baked or doesn't work at all.
For example, saying it doesn't have "a user model built around syncing with a desktop PC for most upgrades/media" is a nice way of saying "the sync software is super buggy, and doesn't support most of the features that the Zune software did". If there was an alternative that DID offer those features, I'd be all for it, but the reality is that doesn't exist.
I love the new hardware, and am a huge windows phone fan, but honestly this has been a pretty disappointing debut.
- 11-19-2012, 04:07 PM #23
Desktop sync is legacy tech that should be abandoned. The future is in the cloud and smart glass. I wish Microsoft had removed the option to "desktop sync" altogether. They should delete it and tell users to deploy via Skydrive ams streaming media.
Desktop syncing is a concept from Atari days in the early 80s.
- 11-19-2012, 04:20 PM #24
- 11-19-2012, 04:35 PM #25
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