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    Quote Originally Posted by Isror View Post
    This was why I couldn't wait for WP8, Android has become some immersed in TRYING to be iOS that it now carries certain social implications just as iOS does.
    Quote Originally Posted by Isror View Post
    And to be honest, using an iPhone tends to carry certain social implications, and nobody wants that kind of Page 6 heat.
    What are the supposed "social implications" you keep hinting at?
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    I am seriously bummed with where WP8 is ATM. I have been backing and supporting Windows since forever and even now, I have a Nokia 822, but I can't help but feel very deflated right now. Let me tell you my story.

    We just put a new Cisco phone system in place at work and everyone gets their voice mail sent to them in an email as a wav file. Everyone in the company can play these wav files on their phone, but can I with my brand new Win8 phone? Nope. Really?!? I thought Windows was supposed to be the ultimate business phone? I have a hard time believing the MS missed this one in their tests. There are many businesses that use Cisco..

    So last night, I was looking at my 822 connectivity to my Windows Home Server 2011. Everyone else in my family has apps for their androids and I-products that allow them to stream DLNA from the WHS to their devices. Cool, right? They can stream music, photos and my many movies, right to their devices. Can I? Nope. For a matter of fact, the phone does all kinds of cool things with the Xbox, but not with WHS2011. The only option that I found, was the app they made for WP7, but that app is crap, total crap. It hasn't been updated in about a year and it doesn't stream the videos. It's almost like it wants to download the whole video first before it try's to play it. DLNA streams as it is downloading so it plays right away.

    So here I am, with a windows phone that doesn't work well with Cisco (fulfilling my work needs) and doesn't work well with MS's own WHS2011 product (fulfilling my home needs).

    And I doubtful? After the last 2 days, yes, very doubtful, almost to the point where I am considering taking it back and getting something else. Saying that saddens me :(
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    I think Microsoft knows they need to make WP8 a winner as fast as they can, they know the future and sales would be grim if not. So far I think they did a nice job with the platform changes. They need to look at the simple things like the ability to change a tones not just ringtones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailUK View Post
    FFS.

    The OS has been out 2 weeks, and people already see the end in sight.
    It's not just about features, it's about adoption.

    Microsoft has gained little to no mindshare in the two years Windows Phone has been out. It doesn't matter what the problem is - missing features, missing apps, wrong hardware - the platform isn't strong. Don't give this "FFS" bullcrap, there is no guarantee that Microsoft will gain any meaningful foothold over the next year. There are very, very few indie developers making a decent living off Windows Phone. The ones that do use ads and loopholes (Taptitude using BS tags to get downloads when people search up Facebook and similar). There is little to no incentive to develop for the platform as such.

    So lacking developers and apps, lacking user base. When is it going to change? Another two years? Three? It needs to happen ASAP, not with WP10. The iPhone changed the industry five years ago. It's not going to stagnate for Microsoft to catch up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailUK View Post
    FFS.

    The OS has been out 2 weeks, and people already see the end in sight.
    How many MS apps have been updated for Windows Phone 8? (I'm still waiting for a weather update)

    How many Windows 8 apps have been updated?

    How many updates have there been for W8 vs. WP8?

    Still feels like we are not getting the full weight of MS behind the platform, at least IMHO, and that is a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJ Thunder View Post
    How many MS apps have been updated for Windows Phone 8? (I'm still waiting for a weather update)

    How many Windows 8 apps have been updated?

    How many updates have there been for W8 vs. WP8?

    Still feels like we are not getting the full weight of MS behind the platform, at least IMHO, and that is a shame.
    Better question, why do you keep asking questions about a desktop OS vs phone OS (unrelated ecosystem vs unrelated ecosystem). What kind of comparison is that?
    Yes there are supposed to be more similarities between the phone and desktop than ever, but I really don't think we are at the point where they need to be compared. And by getting the 'full weight of MS' behind the platform, are you referring to the fact that the desktop developers have to drop everything they are doing and switch over to the phone side of things? You are right, they are definitely not doing that, and I'm glad they aren't because it would make no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryNil View Post
    It's not just about features, it's about adoption.

    Microsoft has gained little to no mindshare in the two years Windows Phone has been out. It doesn't matter what the problem is - missing features, missing apps, wrong hardware - the platform isn't strong. Don't give this "FFS" bullcrap, there is no guarantee that Microsoft will gain any meaningful foothold over the next year. There are very, very few indie developers making a decent living off Windows Phone. The ones that do use ads and loopholes (Taptitude using BS tags to get downloads when people search up Facebook and similar). There is little to no incentive to develop for the platform as such.

    So lacking developers and apps, lacking user base. When is it going to change? Another two years? Three? It needs to happen ASAP, not with WP10. The iPhone changed the industry five years ago. It's not going to stagnate for Microsoft to catch up.
    It isn't going to change overnight. People need to disassociate WP7 and before, with WP8 and beyond, as Microsoft has gone in a totally different direction with W8 and WP8, and it is going to take a little bit of time for it to come together.
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    I love WP but I'm surprised that some users here aren't more doubtful.
    MSFT promised steady update releases for WP7 and only one came out (7.5) sure smaller updates came out but those didn't really do much for the OS as a whole like 7.5.
    Time and time again MSFT said they would release updates and even when they did a lot of users in the USA couldn't get them cause there carrier refused to push them out.

    So MS admits "We screwed up but now things are great cause we shrunk our Windows 8 kernel down to go on WP, you should be able to get updates much more regularly now. HEY just to let you know you can also join a program that will give you access to new updates that completely bypass the carrier!" Yet there is no talk about how to join this program because it doesn't even exist yet!

    I do HOPE that MS has learned its lesson, and I feel confidant that any major updates will be compatible with WP8 ( ala WP9) that are software based and not hardware based. I just don't trust them yet because they haven't givin me a reason to.

    By the way, I currently own a Lumia 920 and love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrgeorgeson View Post
    I love WP but I'm surprised that some users here aren't more doubtful.
    MSFT promised steady update releases for WP7 and only one came out (7.5) sure smaller updates came out but those didn't really do much for the OS as a whole like 7.5.
    Time and time again MSFT said they would release updates and even when they did a lot of users in the USA couldn't get them cause there carrier refused to push them out.

    So MS admits "We screwed up but now things are great cause we shrunk our Windows 8 kernel down to go on WP, you should be able to get updates much more regularly now. HEY just to let you know you can also join a program that will give you access to new updates that completely bypass the carrier!" Yet there is no talk about how to join this program because it doesn't even exist yet!

    I do HOPE that MS has learned its lesson, and I feel confidant that any major updates will be compatible with WP8 ( ala WP9) that are software based and not hardware based. I just don't trust them yet because they haven't givin me a reason to.

    By the way, I currently own a Lumia 920 and love it.
    18 months of guaranteed already addresses this to a degree. For them to guarantee this, the carriers and OEMs have to have been on board. I'd also think there is no point in discussing their update program until they are ready to officially announce and update.
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    Unless you think that Microsoft are going to go bust then WP8 progression is pretty much guaranteed, they've shown in the past with Xbox that they're willing to sink crazy amounts of money to *eventually* be a player in a market they target.

    They're pretty much all-in with their convergence strategy and W8 and WP8 are big parts in that, they'll be fine; it's Windows RT which i'm really not sure will have a future...
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I've noticed that every time you ask about the oft-mentioned but never listed "missing features," it comes down to UI that doesn't look and work like iOS or Android. Which, incidentally, is the entire POINT of WP.

    The best path to failure is make a "me too" product with decades-old UI that is pretty much identical to the better-established competition, IMO.
    I think that is a bit unfair.
    I want a notification center that doesn't mean I want it to look like Android's or iOS's notification center.
    I want a app picker so I can default to certain apps to use instead of the default Windows apps.
    I want more browser options... MS blocks chrome and Firefox going onto there browsers ( I believe)
    I want to be able to have the search button on my phone be able to go to Google if I want.

    There are plenty of functions I want with my phone that don't have to be UI stealing and I've seen plenty of other posts give great feedback asking for other things that MS could implement without stealing the UI elements from other OS's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PG2G View Post
    18 months of guaranteed already addresses this to a degree. For them to guarantee this, the carriers and OEMs have to have been on board. I'd also think there is no point in discussing their update program until they are ready to officially announce and update.
    Not really IMHO.... where are those steady updates they promised for WP7? I'm doubtful about anymore real updates (functionality wise) to WP7 devices after WP 7.8. I hope to be proven wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robinleck View Post
    I never doubted WP8 progression at all. Not now, not even 2 years ago when WP7 was launched when I bought my first WP7 phone (Trophy).
    All these intrusive trolls, in their futile effort to plant the seeds of doubt in our forum, has ironically reinforced my faith & belief in Windows Phone.
    Joining WPCentral Forum has made me feel like I belong to a Band of Brothers.

    PS. I never use an iPhone or Android before & never will. These 2 OS are too mediocre & abysmal to be mentioned in my main post.
    Unless I'm misreading your post, how could you possibly come to those conclusions if you have never used either OS?
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    The only real feature there is a notification center, which we already know is on its way. The rest... pretty much the same limitations as iOS.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrgeorgeson View Post
    Not really IMHO.... where are those steady updates they promised for WP7? I'm doubtful about anymore real updates (functionality wise) to WP7 devices after WP 7.8. I hope to be proven wrong though.
    I am doubtful of WP7.x updates to, but that isn't really relevant anymore unfortunately. They did what they had to do and we need to look forward, not back.
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    I'm most curious to see how quickly system updates are available. Ideally, we should see one before the end of the year, and then quarterly. Given how much MSFT has hinted that there are many things they "didn't have time for", there should be a big update forthcoming.

    The other thing is to see how well MSFT follows through on the promise to get AAA apps in the store. There's a lot of junk that shows up near the top of the charts right now, and they need to get better apps in to replace them. Plenty of the apps that are there "look" great, but are buggy or limited functionality.

    The other thing that I think might drive adoption, bizarrely enough, is how good these phones can be for less techy people. My mom bought an 820, and absolutely loves the interface design, and has big tiles for CNN, Weather, and People. It's kind of funny watching her brag about how easy it is to use to my aunt, who's an iphone adherent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpelti View Post
    I'm most curious to see how quickly system updates are available. Ideally, we should see one before the end of the year, and then quarterly. Given how much MSFT has hinted that there are many things they "didn't have time for", there should be a big update forthcoming.
    Setting yourself up for disappointment. Outside of critical bug fixes, you shouldn't expect to see anything until Spring. The biggest mobile conference (MWC) is in February. It makes sense to announce the Spring devices alongside the Spring update then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyverl View Post
    Unless you think that Microsoft are going to go bust then WP8 progression is pretty much guaranteed, they've shown in the past with Xbox that they're willing to sink crazy amounts of money to *eventually* be a player in a market they target.

    They're pretty much all-in with their convergence strategy and W8 and WP8 are big parts in that, they'll be fine; it's Windows RT which i'm really not sure will have a future...
    It probably depends on Surface Pro pricing, but there should still be a lot of folks that don't need all the power of a Surface Pro, for whom the Surface RT will suffice.
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    Guess I am wondering what updates people are so in dire need of? My 920 is pretty damn solid. The one update I want is to have MS set many options to off versus on by default. NFC? Turn it off. BT? Turn it off. Auto wifi... Off. Back ground task... Off. MS, let me turn these things on by choice! Only issue I had with my 920 was battery life and changing these settings made it a 9 out of 10.

    I see a few (chrgeorgeson and ninnnnnja) users who are concerned and to them I say, leave WP and go to your smart phone of choice. That's not meant to be mean, but if you have concerns feel free to leave. I, for one, think WP is the best phone OS out there. I have used an Iphone and Android, but to me WP8 is way above them.

    Having any doubts about WP is, to be honest, silly. Think of the original Xbox; pitted against the giant Sony and doomed to failure. Ten years later and Xbox rules (or at least shares rule). MS has a phone OS that is as good or better than iOS or Android. And with MS's persistence and resources even thinking it can fail is, in all honestly, foolish.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekonger View Post
    Guess I am wondering what updates people are so in dire need of? My 920 is pretty damn solid. The one update I want is to have MS set many options to off versus on by default. NFC? Turn it off. BT? Turn it off. Auto wifi... Off. Back ground task... Off. MS, let me turn these things on by choice! Only issue I had with my 920 was battery life and changing these settings made it a 9 out of 10.

    I see a few (chrgeorgeson and ninnnnnja) users who are concerned and to them I say, leave WP and go to your smart phone of choice. That's not meant to be mean, but if you have concerns feel free to leave. I, for one, think WP is the best phone OS out there. I have used an Iphone and Android, but to me WP8 is way above them.

    Having any doubts about WP is, to be honest, silly. Think of the original Xbox; pitted against the giant Sony and doomed to failure. Ten years later and Xbox rules (or at least shares rule). MS has a phone OS that is as good or better than iOS or Android. And with MS's persistence and resources even thinking it can fail is, in all honestly, foolish.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.
    There should always be updates to an OS, whether for updated/added features or for fixes.

    That people have no faith after only 2 weeks is a bit ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekonger View Post
    I say, leave WP and go to your smart phone of choice. That's not meant to be mean, but if you have concerns feel free to leave. I, for one, think WP is the best phone OS out there. I have used an Iphone and Android, but to me WP8 is way above them.

    Having any doubts about WP is, to be honest, silly. Think of the original Xbox; pitted against the giant Sony and doomed to failure. Ten years later and Xbox rules (or at least shares rule). MS has a phone OS that is as good or better than iOS or Android. And with MS's persistence and resources even thinking it can fail is, in all honestly, foolish.

    Sorry to be so blunt, but there it is.
    "Love it or leave it" isn't going to get MSFT into double digit market share of the mobile market. You can bury your heads in the sand and whine about it, but this platform, while great in many respects, has glaring flaws and shortcomings that need to be addressed, and quickly. MS has admitted they rushed the product out, and "ran out of time" on key features, and that has led to justified concerns for many users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpelti View Post
    "Love it or leave it" isn't going to get MSFT into double digit market share of the mobile market. You can bury your heads in the sand and whine about it, but this platform, while great in many respects, has glaring flaws and shortcomings that need to be addressed, and quickly. MS has admitted they rushed the product out, and "ran out of time" on key features, and that has led to justified concerns for many users.
    Actually my post didn't indicate I was whining nor burying my head in the sand; you assume way too much and we all know what assuming does. WP8 may need a few updates like all smart phones do but I know of no glaring flaws or short comings it needs to address. It works fine as is for me and many others. Maybe you can be more specific about the glaring flaws you perceive?

    MS is going to do just fine with WP8; my point is go with whatever OS you like the most. Let's face it, iOS and Android are both decent platforms and for the foreseeable future all three will be around. I am confident MS will gain double-digit market share in the next six months, which is a good target date for them.
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    Maybe you can be more specific about the glaring flaws you perceive?
    I've had multiple random reboots, and my first full charge only lasted 10 hours.
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    Unless I'm misreading your post, how could you possibly come to those conclusions if you have never used either OS?
    You did not misread my post, I honestly never owned either phones but I have fiddled with them at the mobile retail outlets here.
    I just can't get the hang of their UI. Don't ask me why, I simply don't get it.
    Ok, maybe I was impressed that they managed to migrate legacy desktop icons into a handheld device.
    But that's it. It's "revolutionary".... IN 2007 !
    Then came late 2010.... I was flipping through the newspaper and I came upon this full-page advertisement by one of our carrier.
    The advert was showing an out-of-this-world mobile gadget unlike anything I have seen before. It got "squares" with pics & texts in them. Pardon me but I didn't know it was called Live Tiles then.
    I was speechless but in my mind, I was thinking "Wow, I need to get me one of this baby ;)". You've got to understand, this is the first time a gadget has moved me emotionally without me even fiddling with it.
    I was gasping with excitement & childish anticipation. Iphone/Android did not elicit such raw emotions from me as much as WP does.
    Personally, Windows Phone Is Truly Revolutionary because it got the most natural & organic OS for a touch-based mobile device.
    By the way, I am not a "nuts and bolts" guy so the nitty-gritty of tech specs don't really interest me. However, I am an EMOTIONS guy and if something can moved my soul, I am sold.
    Steve Jobs was and still is the pioneer of Emotional Selling. Through his charisma & high EQ of what people want, he is able to persuade multitude of lost souls to his walled garden. In case you think I tried to belittle him, I am not. I respect & admire Steve Jobs as a visionary & legend.
    He is one of the 2 cooolest Greats in the tech world. The other being Bill Gates ;)
    However, I am just not emotionally enamored by Apple products. They got a snob & elitist appeal which I dislike. Android is a non-starter for me as they are trying to be an Apple wannabes.
    Cheers :)
    Sent from my Windows 8.1 Vivotab Smart Tablet PC ��
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    I've had multiple random reboots, and my first full charge only lasted 10 hours.
    Then you have a defective phone, but it is not a glaring flaw with WP.

    After making the power setting changes in other posts my 920 lasts a day and a half. I have never had a random reboot and I would say the vast majority in these forums will say the same. So those are not glaring flaws for WP8 or the 920, it may be a production issue with your phone. By that same logic the iPhone 5 has glaring flaws as it experiences lockups, a map fiasco, and several minor issues from sounds to screen quality.
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    I absolutely LOVE the posts about how far Apple and Android have innovated in their last iteration vs Microsoft.

    Lets take Android... This is the added features for Jelly Bean, from Wiki... (Edited out Tablet only features that have nothing to do with phones)
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    Android 4.2 Jelly Bean
    Version Release date Features Image(s)
    4.2 13 November 2012[85]
    • Photo Sphere panorama photos
    • Keyboard with gesture typing
    • Lockscreen improvements, including widget support and the ability to swipe directly to camera[86]
    • Notification power controls
    • "Daydream" screensaver, showing information when idle or docked
    • Accessibility improvements: triple-tap to magnify the entire screen, pan and zoom with two fingers. Speech output and Gesture Mode navigation for blind users
    • New clock app with built-in world clock, stop watch and timer
    • Increased number of extended notifications and Actionable Notifications for more apps, allowing the response to certain notifications within the notification bar and without launching the app directly
    • SELinux
    • Always-on VPN
    • Premium SMS confirmation[87][88][89]
    </blockquote>So their latest and greatest phone innovations are... Well, except a few that admittedly would be "nice to have", they are all built into WP8

    Now Apple, their latest and greatest phone has such amazing innovations as... A larger screen, and different shaped headphones (seriously, *this* is what their commercials focus on). Oh, and Apple Maps.

    Microsoft, on the other hand, built a WHOLE NEW OS. Yes, it looks similar to WP7, but lets face it. Once you change to a whole new kernel, you're making a new OS. Visually, they kept the same theme with some tweaks. They even made sure it had backwards compatibility - which given a new kernel is no small feat. I'd say they've done a damn good job.

    I switched from a BlackBerry Torch 9810, I rarely use my iPad anymore, and the only thing I miss from either these devices is the little blinking light on my BB so I can see if I have a message from across the room.

    MS has put a LOT into this OS, and I actually do get stopped by people loving the look and feel of my Lumia 920.
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