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    I have to be honest, while there is a lot I like about WP8, I'm a bit skeptical as to how long it will take MSFT to progress and mature into a total OS that integrates well with all other windows products. There are quite a few things missing that you would have thought over the course of a year they would have fixed/added. I understand they were working on the kernel, but with their deep pockets, why not have a separate team work on some progress e features? Maybe they did do this and have just been tight lipped about it release. Is 6 months a reasonable time frame for us to see something new? Am i being too demanding as a WP8 supporter?
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    Um..... As a Xbox music pass user, 6 month means $49.5.... Given that whole experience is terrible, shall we really give them 6 month to fix it? We can't even use Spotify....
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    I am not doubtful about WP8 progression, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cp2_4eva View Post
    I understand they were working on the kernel, but with their deep pockets, why not have a separate team work on some progress e features?
    That could be a huge waste of time and money... the kernel devs might have to change something which the other team might be relying on for their progressive features, and then they're screwed. If you're doing something as daunting as rewriting the entire kernel, everything else stops until that kernel is finalized.

    To answer your question, no, I am not doubtful.
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    To answer your title question: yes.

    Having started to delve into C++, it will not be long until I will need to make the call on which platforms I will choose to write for. iOS will probably not be an initial target since I am totally detached from that ecosystem other than pundits that I follow. I don't know if it's worth it to go for "Windows exclusive" (write for DirectX and support WP8/W8) or whether I should work with cross-platform middleware so I can have Android compatibility. Make no mistake, I'd strongly prefer to target Microsoft platforms exclusively since they are still budding so the competition isn't as breakneck. But there is simply no guarantee that either WP8 or W8 will gain a large user base that will buy software through the respective app stores, and I don't want to be stuck with months of work that can't get me anywhere.
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    I have no hope at all. IMHO it will be the same as WP7, with only 1 major update to include (some) features that iOS and Android have had for years.

    I was expecting for Windows Phone the same "strategy" that MS used on Xbox, with WP7 being the Xbox, and WP8 the 360:

    Original Xbox: Better hardware and lower price than PS2, with innovations such as a HDD for faster loading times and the ability to create custom soundtracks for the games; A killer app (Halo) and others top-notch exclusive games like Project Gotham Racing, Rallisport Challenge, with more things being added later, like Xbox Live. It was easy by the time that MS was spending big money and doing everything to gain brand awareness, despite the slow sales and burning billions per year. They continued releasing great exclusive titles like Ninja Gaiden, Forza, and investing hard to bring PS2's AAA exclusives like GTA and Winning Eleven (PES). The original Xbox was a flop in terms of sales, but MS successfully showed the world that they were a serious player on the market and people already knew what a Xbox are.

    Xbox 360: Now an established brand coming 1 year earlier than the competition with full of new features like an even better Xbox Live with Xbox Live Arcade and Indie Games, Achievements, connectivity to Windows Live Messenger, wireless controllers, USB ports to stream music from a MP3 player and another killer app (Gears of War). And since then, Xbox 360 continued to be regularly updated, bringing features like Games on Demand, movies and tv shows for sell or rent, Kinect, all those "apps" like Twitter, Facebook, Netflix, Hulu and others.

    It's clear that MS take Xbox seriously, now compare this to WP7 and WP8...

    Even after I used my WP7 for almost 2 years seeing almost no effort from Microsoft to keep the OS updated compared to competition, I was hopeful that the WP8 would be the real deal, specially after almost 6 months of complete mistery, coming with killer apps and exclusive games, useful new features et al, but they came with nothing but an OS with almost the same flaws as before. So I lost my faith...
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    @diego, see you reflect a bit of my thoughts in your post. The steps and past progression MS has taken doesn't really seem like they are positioning themselves to make a few necessary change them to finally being an all around competitor. There will be people that say you don't need this or that feature, but the fact is others OS may have that feature and its keeping people away from WP. If they keep saying that it is the way MS wants it to be, then MS has a long rough road ahead of them. I still like my WP device. I have grown to like a closed system OS because it provides more uniformity. They just need to step some features up.
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    FFS.

    The OS has been out 2 weeks, and people already see the end in sight.

    Microsoft have always had a very definite vision for their WP. And first and foremost, its always been about having a fast OS. The more customisation, the more fiddly bits, the less speed. Its a difficult balance between having no features, but stupidly quick (WP7) and having every option ever, but speed issues (Android).

    There are some definite holes in WP8, and i have no doubt Microsoft is working on the ones that they feel matter. But people have to take into account that just because a feature is ultra important to them, doesn't mean its the most popular feature, and therefore it may be further down the priority list than you'd like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailUK View Post
    FFS.

    The OS has been out 2 weeks, and people already see the end in sight.

    Microsoft have always had a very definite vision for their WP. And first and foremost, its always been about having a fast OS. The more customisation, the more fiddly bits, the less speed. Its a difficult balance between having no features, but stupidly quick (WP7) and having every option ever, but speed issues (Android).

    There are some definite holes in WP8, and i have no doubt Microsoft is working on the ones that they feel matter. But people have to take into account that just because a feature is ultra important to them, doesn't mean its the most popular feature, and therefore it may be further down the priority list than you'd like.
    I understand what you are saying, but lets be real, WP has been treading water for quite some time. And if you can't add some features and keep up with some speed, then something is wrong. And to begin with, on my 8x and on my 920, they are not as smooth as my Titan II or my 900 was. Also, all Android experiences aren't the same because surprisingly my One X had no problems...none. And I am not exaggerating. It seems that Android made more progress years ago than microsoft is doing now. But at the same time, I understand that MS is doing it differently. But not everyone is going to understand it and wait around for them to truly get it together. They came in at a bad time to be denying converts things they had on a previous OS. I can see if they denied them these things in the smartphone infancy, but smartphones have been out for a long time (in computer tech years, lol)

    I'm still riding with WP, but there are some people who might be led astray. MS needs to pick up the part of the population that is still on feature phones so they can't smell the features other OS have already like being able to save a simple video file from my e-mail to my phone. I've received 10 videos in the last week between my wife and friends and I have to wait to get home to get to a computer to do this. I cant' even save it to my sky drive. But this is just one problem. Others might not have enough caring friends and family that send them videos. Then there's the whole content owned from Xbox music things...can't view those movies on your phone? Why not? It's am MS product on Xbox. I've got this nice green Xbox icon on my phone, I assume I might be able to view that content....nope.
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    Well WP7 didn't take off and WP8 lacks the most basic apps i.e banking, data usage and it has just a couple of decent quality games and they're very expensive. Maybe I'm just being picky because the Lumia 920 is my first Windows phone and I upgraded from an iPhone 4 so I naturally miss the apps I once had.
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    Change WP8 to Xbox in the title and think about it: I have no doubts. I actually bought a WP7 on Sprint (can't recall which model) and returned it for my HTC Shift Android as it seemed WP7 was simply not where it needed to be.

    Now WP is all it needs to be and more. I can do so many things easier on my Lumia than I could on my Shift. All my people information in one spot. Love the tiles. Outlook and calendar work oh-so-much better on a WP. Speed is awesome. My Lumia build quality is as good or better than the iPhone 3GS and Shift I owned and it's a better phone all the way around.

    No doubts, MS has an amazing product now and will only make it better.
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    Apps are a different beast. they will come. Im not getting into that. talking more about functionality of the devices features.
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    I think it's definitely progressing, but whether it's progressing at the pace it needs to stay competitive is unclear. We'll know for sure in the coming months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diego3336 View Post
    I have no hope at all. IMHO it will be the same as WP7, with only 1 major update to include (some) features that iOS and Android have had for years.

    Even after I used my WP7 for almost 2 years seeing almost no effort from Microsoft to keep the OS updated compared to competition, I was hopeful that the WP8 would be the real deal, specially after almost 6 months of complete mistery, coming with killer apps and exclusive games, useful new features et al, but they came with nothing but an OS with almost the same flaws as before. So I lost my faith...

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    I've noticed that every time you ask about the oft-mentioned but never listed "missing features," it comes down to UI that doesn't look and work like iOS or Android. Which, incidentally, is the entire POINT of WP.

    The best path to failure is make a "me too" product with decades-old UI that is pretty much identical to the better-established competition, IMO.
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    The only thing I'm doubtful of, related to WP8, is all the people that are doubtful of it, continuing to be doubtful of it. 😅
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I've noticed that every time you ask about the oft-mentioned but never listed "missing features," it comes down to UI that doesn't look and work like iOS or Android. Which, incidentally, is the entire POINT of WP.

    The best path to failure is make a "me too" product with decades-old UI that is pretty much identical to the better-established competition, IMO.
    This was why I couldn't wait for WP8, Android has become some immersed in TRYING to be iOS that it now carries certain social implications just as iOS does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cp2_4eva View Post
    And if you can't add some features and keep up with some speed, then something is wrong.
    You realize they re-wrote the entire kernel, yes? Do you know what an undertaking that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    You realize they re-wrote the entire kernel, yes? Do you know what an undertaking that is?
    They say it's NT, not rewriting the whole kernel
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    Quote Originally Posted by brmiller1976 View Post
    I've noticed that every time you ask about the oft-mentioned but never listed "missing features," it comes down to UI that doesn't look and work like iOS or Android. Which, incidentally, is the entire POINT of WP.

    The best path to failure is make a "me too" product with decades-old UI that is pretty much identical to the better-established competition, IMO.
    So we should continue to accept the fact that we cannot even watch Xbox video on our phone for the solo sake of being "not me-too".
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    Good lord people!

    This is the T-Mobile G1 all over again. "Android will never compete with iPhone"... yadda yadda yadda. Been there, done that.

    I think WP7 was a test, yes those of us who had WP7 were testers. MS learned A LOT from that and I think they are seriously on the right track. Being an early adopter you will go through the growing pains. And if you don't realize that then you never should have bought a WP8. I think the majority of us knew this coming in. There's plenty of info out there for you do to your research so there really is no excuse to complain after the fact.
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    I never doubted WP8 progression at all. Not now, not even 2 years ago when WP7 was launched when I bought my first WP7 phone (Trophy).
    All these intrusive trolls, in their futile effort to plant the seeds of doubt in our forum, has ironically reinforced my faith & belief in Windows Phone.
    Joining WPCentral Forum has made me feel like I belong to a Band of Brothers.

    PS. I never use an iPhone or Android before & never will. These 2 OS are too mediocre & abysmal to be mentioned in my main post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robinleck View Post
    I never doubted WP8 progression at all. Not now, not even 2 years ago when WP7 was launched when I bought my first WP7 phone (Trophy).
    All these intrusive trolls, in their futile effort to plant the seeds of doubt in our forum, has ironically reinforced my faith & belief in Windows Phone.
    Joining WPCentral Forum has made me feel like I belong to a Band of Brothers.

    PS. I never use an iPhone or Android before & never will. These 2 OS are too mediocre & abysmal to be mentioned in my main post.
    And to be honest, using an iPhone tends to carry certain social implications, and nobody wants that kind of Page 6 heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cp2_4eva View Post
    Is 6 months a reasonable time frame for us to see something new? Am i being too demanding as a WP8 supporter?
    With Windows Phone we have always seen a minor update around the Spring. Typically adding some minor features and support for additional hardware. I expect an update that includes the following...

    1. Support for additional hardware (quad core, maybe non Qualcomm SoCs)
    2. Minor Enhancements to core apps. Xbox Music has seen numerous updates on Windows 8 already, the service is supposed to grow in social aspects. There is no current support for Xbox Music, which seems silly.
    3. Minor user-centric features. Maybe system wide search, which had been rumored forever.

    I don't really get the feeling that Microsoft is moving slow and won't catch up, Apple and Google haven't really advanced much. Once we get the Notification Center, will there really be any major features that are missing from the other platforms?
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