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    Honestly people.

    If you have little to no tolerance for "bugs" or flaws of any kind, don't buy a brand new device on a brand new OS that was just released.

    It's not that complicated.

    Stick with proven stuff that's been out for a while and we'll all be happier.

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    Agreed. I would say that given the huge change wp underwent (change in kernel) I would say that the thing is working quite well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socialcarpet View Post
    Honestly people.

    If you have little to no tolerance for "bugs" or flaws of any kind, don't buy a brand new device on a brand new OS that was just released.

    It's not that complicated.

    Stick with proven stuff that's been out for a while and we'll all be happier.

    Thanks.
    A lot of apps didn't get any noticeable change - such as calendar and clock.... How hard could it be to add a timer in a two year time frame?

    Also, I think I am quite impressed by the OS itself, but the first party apps like music is where the phone sucks. And Xbox video is broken.

    There are so many things cannot be blamed on *new*. If I recall correctly, iPhone came with a great music player (maybe better than music app we have on WP today) and iTunes video never got so messed up.
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    What platforms don't have issues? No device is without flaws but one thing I know is that the new WP8 devices are a breath of fresh air to the smart phone race!

    My 822 IMO is 99% flawless which is a lot better than any other platform that I have owned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by socialcarpet View Post
    Honestly people.

    If you have little to no tolerance for "bugs" or flaws of any kind, don't buy a brand new device on a brand new OS that was just released.

    It's not that complicated.

    Stick with proven stuff that's been out for a while and we'll all be happier.

    Thanks.
    Overall I like the Windows Phone 8 OS and think it is a refreshing take on smartphones, and I will acknowledge that there are bugs and flaws in any OS, whether they are a "brand new" OS or or a "mature" OS as I had minor annoyances even with iOS 6.

    However - what MS has released is an OS with very serious issues with basic functionality that Microsoft has had years to work out that even a "brand new" OS should not have.

    At this stage any smartphone should be able to serve dual purpose as a PMD (Personal Media Device) and WP8 fails miserably.
    http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-...rainwreck.html
    ...this is a core functionality that for many people is broken.

    As I said I like the OS, and will likely keep my phone as I have alternatives for music and video playback, but to give MS a pass just because it's a "new OS" is unfair to those that bought their devices expecting certain basic functions that all smartphones have.
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    I havent had a problem with my phone the last few days I've had it. I have 5 movies that synced without a problem, using WMP. I also have playlists and my music library of 1,300+ songs that arent having any problems with album art or anything. I kinda am puzzled at all the problems other people are having. I think the way WP handles notifications is excellent. Battery life gets me through the day, and I have all the apps I need. The keyboard also works great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steephill View Post
    I havent had a problem with my phone the last few days I've had it. I have 5 movies that synced without a problem, using WMP. I also have playlists and my music library of 1,300+ songs that arent having any problems with album art or anything. I kinda am puzzled at all the problems other people are having. I think the way WP handles notifications is excellent. Battery life gets me through the day, and I have all the apps I need. The keyboard also works great.
    Thank you. We shouldn't have to use WMP, but given that it is there and works flawlessly, makes me wonder why Zune every existed (for Windows users at least). Of course, there are probably syncing features I don't use, which results in me not seeing the issues others are seeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZBrowncoat View Post
    but to give MS a pass just because it's a "new OS" is unfair to those that bought their devices expecting certain basic functions that all smartphones have.
    At the risk of being labeled a "Microsoft apologist" or a "fanboy", to expect a new OS on new hardware to work flawlessly in every situation is unfair to Microsoft. I mean, come on... there are many, many people who are not having these same problems with their WP8 devices, yet no one wants to admit that the platform may not be horribly flawed and that it just might be situational. There is no possible way that MS could have tested every device with every app combination with every sync method on every desktop OS before the release of WP8.
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    There is too much common sense going on in this thread. Where is Winterfang?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    At the risk of being labeled a "Microsoft apologist" or a "fanboy", to expect a new OS on new hardware to work flawlessly in every situation is unfair to Microsoft. I mean, come on... there are many, many people who are not having these same problems with their WP8 devices, yet no one wants to admit that the platform may not be horribly flawed and that it just might be situational. There is no possible way that MS could have tested every device with every app combination with every sync method on every desktop OS before the release of WP8.
    That's not an excuse anymore. MS could play that card with the WP7 release, but that was two years ago. And the mobile industry moves at a relentless pace so they need to get with the times. It' about moving the platform forward and they've been too slow at that.
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    That's not an excuse anymore. MS could play that card with the WP7 release, but that was two years ago.
    You're right, it's not an excuse. It's a factual reason. WP8 is a completely different operating system than is WP7. Sure, the UI is similar, but the underlying OS is... not. At all. Are you any type of a developer? Do you know what goes in to re-developing or porting an OS's kernel and all the apps which make calls to that kernel? The fact they were able to do so and maintain the same level of functionality as WP7 alone, without the advances they did put in to WP8, is a feat worthy of applause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    You're right, it's not an excuse. It's a factual reason. WP8 is a completely different operating system than is WP7. Sure, the UI is similar, but the underlying OS is... not. At all. Are you any type of a developer? Do you know what goes in to re-developing or porting an OS's kernel and all the apps which make calls to that kernel? The fact they were able to do so and maintain the same level of functionality as WP7 alone, without the advances they did put in to WP8, is a feat worthy of applause.
    I appreciate the amount of effort it takes to do what they did, but in reality that doesn't mean a thing to the customer. The average person doesn't care what kernel is underneath the OS, but they will get annoyed at stability issues, missing features, etc. I've been a WP user since Gen 1 WP7, but I feel like MS is really trying my patience with WP8. I feel like WP8 was touted as the version that we've all been waiting for, but IMO it added very few compelling features, and in some cases it took a step back in terms of functionality.

    How long does the early adopter excuse last? When WP9 comes out, will we all be early adopters again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thed View Post
    The average person doesn't care what kernel is underneath the OS, but they will get annoyed at stability issues, missing features, etc.
    If you're here - on this forum - you're not an "average person". Average people don't get on forums to discuss the in's and out's of their favorite smartphones. Average people just... use them, their favorite smartphones.

    If you're here - on this forum - you're the elite smartphone user. You should understand things like "an entirely new kernel to bring compatibility across the Windows 8 platform," that WP7 and WP8 are different OSs, and that yes - we are early adopters.

    If WP9 makes as radical of a departure from WP8 as WP8 did from WP7, then yes, everyone who gets a WP9 device during its first month of availability will be an early adopter. But that's not an excuse, it's reality... and I don't think that's going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fardream View Post
    A lot of apps didn't get any noticeable change - such as calendar and clock.... How hard could it be to add a timer in a two year time frame?

    Also, I think I am quite impressed by the OS itself, but the first party apps like music is where the phone sucks. And Xbox video is broken.

    There are so many things cannot be blamed on *new*. If I recall correctly, iPhone came with a great music player (maybe better than music app we have on WP today) and iTunes video never got so messed up.
    I do not believe you have any clue to what you are saying Fardream. MS didn't only make major changes to WP. They had to manage major changes to Win 8 (which includes a tablet rollout), WP, and Xbox. Thats balls to the wall. Top that all off with the pressure of putting it all on the line that these changes will succeed.
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    I understand the whole "different kernel" thing. Sure, it's great, and will benefit us in the long run. I don't think anybody is disputing that - but it is NOT a catch-all excuse for any problem with the OS. Microsoft shouldn't be applauded for doing the bare minimum that they can get away with.

    Not to mention, there are areas which received substantial changes unrelated to the kernel; the best example being Xbox Music. Making it so difficult and unintuitive to download a group of songs which is already in my cloud collection is more to do with basic functionality than making calls to the kernel. A simple menu entry added to a long-press menu would have sufficed. This is not just missing functionality; this is a step backwards.

    Before I get flamed for having something negative to say: of *course* I'm thankful it's still there at all, blah blah, I know how to download songs manually even when there are massive bugs making it very difficult for me to do that; in short, I'm not an ***** and I have my eyes open - and they spy issues with the OS. That's why there are patches. I trust that MS will resolve the issues, and I'm aware that as an early adopter I will encounter some issues. But having the phone crash on a regular basis while trying to download some songs is a bit much.

    I also understand that there are people out there who use their phones differently to me, and may not encounter the same problems as me - but some people seem to be assuming that because they don't have problems, nobody else should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    If you're here - on this forum - you're not an "average person". Average people don't get on forums to discuss the in's and out's of their favorite smartphones. Average people just... use them, their favorite smartphones.

    If you're here - on this forum - you're the elite smartphone user. You should understand things like "an entirely new kernel to bring compatibility across the Windows 8 platform," that WP7 and WP8 are different OSs, and that yes - we are early adopters.

    If WP9 makes as radical of a departure from WP8 as WP8 did from WP7, then yes, everyone who gets a WP9 device during its first month of availability will be an early adopter. But that's not an excuse, it's reality... and I don't think that's going to happen.
    No, the reality is that MS is trying to sell phones to the "average person", as you said. That's exactly the point, the customer does not care about kernel changes and whatnot. And frankly, after 2 years, neither do the "elite smartphone users" (whatever that's supposed to be)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    If you're here - on this forum - you're not an "average person". Average people don't get on forums to discuss the in's and out's of their favorite smartphones. Average people just... use them, their favorite smartphones.

    If you're here - on this forum - you're the elite smartphone user. You should understand things like "an entirely new kernel to bring compatibility across the Windows 8 platform," that WP7 and WP8 are different OSs, and that yes - we are early adopters.

    If WP9 makes as radical of a departure from WP8 as WP8 did from WP7, then yes, everyone who gets a WP9 device during its first month of availability will be an early adopter. But that's not an excuse, it's reality... and I don't think that's going to happen.
    I agree that I'm not the "average person." But MS is marketing WP as the phone for everyone, not just for techies or people who just like to try new things.

    And I'm aware of the implications of a kernel rewrite, but it's not really a good explanation for me. Look at Windows 8. To my knowledge that was also a kernel rewrite, but they managed to bring new and compelling things to the OS at the same time.

    Maybe I'm getting off topic here, but I guess I'm just disappointed by the rate of development of WP. I got my Trophy at launch, back in the NoDo days (Verizon didn't have any phones pre-Nodo). The OS was really raw back then but I think most users were in it because they saw great potential from WP. Then Mango came out and it was a huge step forward. There were still plenty of holes in the OS afterward, but Mango added so many things, it made it easy to be encouraged by MS's progress. It was exciting to be an early adopter when I could see the OS growing like that.

    Then over the next year I waited with excitement for WP8. But then WP8 finally came along and aside from the start screen, didn't bring much to the table for those of us who already had a WP7. So many little issues that were there since day one are still there, and probably will be for at least another year when the next big update comes. It really dampened my excitement for the future of WP. It's just a disappointment and I think that's at least part of the reason why people are posting complaints.

    Sorry this got a little long. I just felt that this was as good a place as any to post my feelings about being an early adopter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamtim View Post
    If you're here - on this forum - you're not an "average person". Average people don't get on forums to discuss the in's and out's of their favorite smartphones. Average people just... use them, their favorite smartphones.

    If you're here - on this forum - you're the elite smartphone user. You should understand things like "an entirely new kernel to bring compatibility across the Windows 8 platform," that WP7 and WP8 are different OSs, and that yes - we are early adopters.

    If WP9 makes as radical of a departure from WP8 as WP8 did from WP7, then yes, everyone who gets a WP9 device during its first month of availability will be an early adopter. But that's not an excuse, it's reality... and I don't think that's going to happen.
    I'm a mainstream average smartphone user. I came to this forum to research the new WP8 OS and phones. I don't even know what an elite user is. I just want my phone to work as advertised and for the most part it has. I'm not an early adopter nor has the WP8 marketing campaign been aimed at early adopters it has been aimed squarely at mainstream smartphone users. I doubt the MS would agree that only "Early Adopters" should purchase WP8 phones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thed View Post
    How long does the early adopter excuse last? When WP9 comes out, will we all be early adopters again?
    No because WP9 and all future versions of WP for a long, long time are going to be based on the NT kernel.

    But I would agree with you that if they haven't added many, if not most of the highly demanded features by the end of 2013, there is really no excuse.
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    A lot of apps didn't get any noticeable change - such as calendar and clock.... How hard could it be to add a timer in a two year time frame?

    Also, I think I am quite impressed by the OS itself, but the first party apps like music is where the phone sucks. And Xbox video is broken.

    There are so many things cannot be blamed on *new*. If I recall correctly, iPhone came with a great music player (maybe better than music app we have on WP today) and iTunes video never got so messed up.
    the Zune player in wp7 was better than iPod/itunes just now there is no Zune desktop. I haven't played too much around with Xbox music, hopefully they make the necessary fixes
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    I see it like this. MS can take as much time as they want maturing. It's their prerogative. But if they want to succeed they will have to do better than what they are doing now as far as features and progression of their system. Us folks here on these forums know what the phones are capable of, but when you ask the average joe to buy your phone and it can't do X, Y, and Z, but there are other phones that can do that, then what is their argument then. As a person that is in the know like most of you on this forum, I know what to expect from Microsoft more or less. Those other guys and gals don't care about a new kernel. They care about what is this phone going to do for me now in comparison to what else is out there. right now, the competition has us beat in many categories EXCEPT cameras and Microsoft office integration. In other areas, not so much and I believe could be debate worthy. The "ME" thing is slightly broken, but is still a good change from what the competition has to offer.
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    when you ask the average joe to buy your phone and it can't do X, Y, and Z, but there are other phones that can do that
    But you're ALWAYS going to have that. Yes, Windows Phone 8 has a bug or two, but I'll say that at least 66% of the "bugs", "major issues", or "platform killers" I read about here are either situational or preferential with a serious case of over-reaction.

    I can say that there is NOTHING I did on my Samsung Captivate and iPhone 4 that I can't do on my Lumia 820. NOTHING. I'm not the only one, either.

    EDIT: there is one thing I can't do: connect to my VPN at work. Hopefully that will be part of the rumored Apollo+ update we're hearing about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fardream View Post
    Also, I think I am quite impressed by the OS itself, but the first party apps like music is where the phone sucks.

    There are so many things cannot be blamed on *new*. If I recall correctly, iPhone came with a great music player (maybe better than music app we have on WP today) and iTunes video never got so messed up.
    That's what YOU think. I really like the interfaces of Xbox Music and Nokia Music. I think that iTunes is incredibly unappealing and ugly, while Zune was a much better aesthetic brand, in terms of software AND hardware (hated the iPod scroll wheel, and I prefer sharp corners to rounded ones). The only thing I don't like about the music applications on Windows Phone is that they behave somewhat independently. I'd rather they baked Nokia Music's functions into Xbox Music, so I don't have to use each program for separate functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cp2_4eva View Post
    Us folks here on these forums know what the phones are capable of, but when you ask the average joe to buy your phone and it can't do X, Y, and Z, but there are other phones that can do that, then what is their argument then. As a person that is in the know like most of you on this forum, I know what to expect from Microsoft more or less. Those other guys and gals don't care about a new kernel. They care about what is this phone going to do for me now in comparison to what else is out there. right now, the competition has us beat in many categories EXCEPT cameras and Microsoft office integration.
    That is specifically what early adopters and those who follow these things are for. When someone asked which phone I got recently, I explained all of the great things about Windows Phone. You say that there is only the camera and Microsoft Office, but that really isn't the case. I'll point out a few others:

    --Pricing: At least on AT&T, the devices are cheaper. You can get the Lumia 920 for $100 (a flagship for half the price of a flagship), and the Lumia 820 for $50. You then have the $100 8X there, so those who don't NEED 16 GB can choose that, rather than being forced onto the $200 16GB model.
    --Interface: This is an aesthetic preference, yes. However, when we're talking about this, if the person likes it and is willing to learn it, then it's not an issue. I like this UI more than the grids and pages of Android and iOS, and having the customizable lock screens and tile colors (which I seems to change every few days) is better than changing a wallpaper that's covered by your apps anyway.
    --Xbox LIVE integration: Being able to use an account you already have (if you already have a Microsoft/Xbox LIVE account) is better than having to create another account you don't need otherwise (such as Apple's GameCenter; I also don't use Google but HAD to make a Google account for Android). Xbox LIVE allows for cross-platform integration (PC, Xbox, Windows Phone) to play games with friends, which is a great convenience to have for the numerous amounts of teens and young adults who are already playing on Xbox LIVE.
    --Xbox Music/Nokia Music: Really, with the applications you get from Nokia, I think getting a Lumia is CLEARLY better than going HTC. One of those applications is Nokia Music, which allows for streaming. The streaming is free. The streaming is ad-free. The only constraint is that you only get 6 skips per hour. That is countered by the ability to download 4 online streaming playlists to your phone and use them offline, which prevents unnecessary data consumption.
    --Games: This (like the interface) is a preferential matter. It also ties into the Xbox LIVE integration. However, in the nearly 2 years I spent on Android, I never found a game I like more than the Windows (8 and Phone)-exclusive Wordament. It's a great game, and playing it with my sister or her fianc when we're together is great (partially because I'm better than them, haha).
    --Storage: You know what you get with an iPhone: 16 GB for $200, 32 GB for $300 (and I think 64 GB for $400). With Android, you're probably getting 16 GB with an SD slot for $200. With the Nexus 4 (which seems to be the #2 to the Galaxy S III), you get 8 GB for $300 or 16 GB for $350, both off-contract and without micro-SD. With Windows Phone, you can get the $100 Lumia 920 with 32 GB of non-expandable storage (realistically enough for most users, though that can be said about 16 GB as well). You can also get the $50 Lumia 820 or $100 Lumia 822 (after $50 rebate) with 16 GB and microSD support. Basically, you get more storage per-dollar than with Android or iOS, which is great for media lovers (I personally have used up 20+ GB for videos, photos, and music on my Lumia 920).
    --Support: This is really compared to Android, not iOS. With an Android device, you pretty much hope that you'll get 1 full year of support on a 2-year contract, which is sad. With my Windows Phone, I am EXPECTING updates for the full duration of my contract. Windows Phone 7 is supported more than 2 years after its release, and they are working on the second major update now. My HTC Droid Incredible got one update in the 2 years I had it, which is borderline unacceptable. I shouldn't have to learn to root a phone just to make it decent.
    --Carrier apps: With Android, you have a lot of carrier apps that you have to root the device to remove. With Windows Phone, they can be deleted like any downloaded application, which is a great thing to have. I'm not sure what you get on that front with iOS, but when my stupid Android device was pre-loaded with Twitter, Facebook, Skype, Slacker radio, and other garbage, it sucked. It was both clutter in my app drawer, and the apps also had a tendency to open themselves at random, which meant going in to force close them every day, almost.

    I can go on, but SO much of a phone choice is just what you prefer. At the end of the day, if you don't like Windows Phone's tiles, you're not going to get one of these devices. I feel like Android offers the most flexibility, but it comes at the cost of needing to have somewhat in-depth knowledge of phones to root them. Without that feature, you're limited to wallpapers and little else. iOS is extremely rigid in its customization (aesthetically speaking), and don't get me started on their crap with chargers. Windows Phone allows for a decent amount of freedom (live tiles, tile sizes, tile colors, tile arrangement, and lock screen choices), without requiring a week or two of learning the ins and outs of rooting a device to get that.

    Really, though, it's all a pointless argument. You get what looks good, and that's it. After getting my Lumia 920, I'd rather keep this phone for 4 years than upgrade to a brand-new Android device (I'll never buy from Apple) in 2014.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Wallace View Post
    That's what YOU think. I really like the interfaces of Xbox Music and Nokia Music. I think that iTunes is incredibly unappealing and ugly, while Zune was a much better aesthetic brand, in terms of software AND hardware (hated the iPod scroll wheel, and I prefer sharp corners to rounded ones). The only thing I don't like about the music applications on Windows Phone is that they behave somewhat independently. I'd rather they baked Nokia Music's functions into Xbox Music, so I don't have to use each program for separate functions.
    MY opinion aside, iTunes syncs with iPhone from day one, video included. Whatever it looks, it works. And Zune is killed already, by the way.
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