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    I know all 7.5 are pretty slow but mostly because they are held back by single core. Your thoughts on ie 10 compared to the smartphone competition? I like graphic intensive sites like ign boards and having no opera browser is almost a deal breaker for me.
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    Opera browser was TERRIBLE on the iPhone. IE 10 has no forward button and the back button is pretty limited. Other than that it's pretty good
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    I heard it cant display the mobile version of gmail and facebook correctly? if that's true then WOW....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammarmalik2011 View Post
    I heard it cant display the mobile version of gmail and facebook correctly? if that's true then WOW....
    Facebook kinda almost works, Gmail gives you the WAP version of the site (or whatever that is, it's terrible).
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    For a stock browser it isn't bad. Never used an iPhone and Android stock wasn't very good. However, with Android, there were some very nice 3rd party browsers that blew em all away. We'll never have that with our phones. So we need to put pressure on MS to improve IE and add features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammarmalik2011 View Post
    I heard it cant display the mobile version of gmail and facebook correctly? if that's true then WOW....
    I don't know about Facebook, but the issues with Google could be resolved by the flick of a switch in 10 minutes, which google won't do, as they are happy to serve up low quality HTML when they detect a connection to a WP mobile browser. Mobile IE10 is not at fault here, it just can't do much about it. Google is just being a jerk.
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    A lot of browser "incompatibility" in IE10 Mobile comes from the website not dealing with it correctly. As soon as the website detects the following things:

    -it's a mobile device;
    -it's not iPhone or Android;

    it serves up a WAP version circa 2005. Pretty awful. The best thing to do would be to complain on the feedback section of the website. (In Google's case, you'll get nowhere, as they're jerks.)

    I'm actually more and more enjoying the desktop setting on my 8X. It handles intensive sites pretty well, and looks great on that screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a5cent View Post
    I don't know about Facebook, but the issues with Google could be resolved by the flick of a switch in 10 minutes, which google won't do, as they are happy to serve up low quality HTML when they detect a connection to a WP mobile browser. Mobile IE10 is not at fault here, it just can't do much about it. Google is just being a jerk.
    so google is going out of its way to do this to Internet Explorer? Yet their mobile website opens perfectly find on every single Android browser, iPad, iPhone, BlackBerry etc etc? Give me a break. I'm sure it's some screwup in Internet Explorer. People don't hate IE for no reason you know. It's because of crap like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammarmalik2011 View Post
    so google is going out of its way to do this to Internet Explorer? Yet their mobile website opens perfectly find on every single Android browser, iPad, iPhone, BlackBerry etc etc? Give me a break. I'm sure it's some screwup in Internet Explorer. People don't hate IE for no reason you know. It's because of crap like this.
    I can't give you a break because it's true. I've flicked that switch for a few companies personally. It's not that Google is going out of their way to screw IE10, it's that they aren't taking the quick and simple steps required to support non-webkit based browsers. As you yourself prove, Google's approach works, as people will jump to blame Microsoft instead of those entities that deserve the blame. StevesBalls and Shinygerbil have said the same things with different words.
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    Here are my pet peeves with EI10 after coming from IPhone:
    -it does not remember my zoom range when my phone changes orientation by accident.
    -no forward button
    -the backward button sometimes will take you to the start screen if you happen to try to multitask and then go back to IE (so frustrating)
    -no orientation lock
    -no options to show search results by most recent. This I loved with Google. I could get the latest news on Nokia Lumia 920 but with IE, I get the same reviews pop up that I have already seen.
    -Facebook mobile is horrible and the desktop Facebook chat buttons are very hard to press so its impossible to turn off my chat!

    It becomes a bit frustrating to use and these are very simple fixes that makes me feel that Microsoft is just so out of touch with its users. IE can be great if they only listened to us! I am now anti Google due to the crap they put out for windows phone so I am really hoping IE improves ASAP :-)
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    The lack of "proper" forward and backwards button is sometimes a bit meh and then some pages working a bit weird (due to reasons given), but other than those I'm really happy with mobile IE10. I used to hate desktop IE, but IE10 there as well is so drastically improved, that I saw no reason to download firefox anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a5cent View Post
    I can't give you a break because it's true. I've flicked that switch for a few companies personally. It's not that Google is going out of their way to screw IE10, it's that they aren't taking the quick and simple steps required to support non-webkit based browsers. As you yourself prove, Google's approach works, as people will jump to blame Microsoft instead of those entities that deserve the blame. StevesBalls and Shinygerbil have said the same things with different words.
    So IE doesn't support webkit and that is somehow Google's fault? How about making your 'new' browser compatible with webkit that something, you know, almost the entire internet uses in some way or another?
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    So IE doesn't support webkit and that is somehow Google's fault? How about making your 'new' browser compatible with webkit that something, you know, almost the entire internet uses in some way or another?
    You obviously don't really understand what you are talking about. IE10 is compatible with webkit these days. Ten years ago that wasn't so, and the current treatment of IE is simply a relic from days long past.

    I'm not saying everything is fine and dandy with Mobile IE10 (I agree with Engr_Princess). But the situation with Google search is completely unnecessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammarmalik2011 View Post
    So IE doesn't support webkit and that is somehow Google's fault? How about making your 'new' browser compatible with webkit that something, you know, almost the entire internet uses in some way or another?
    1. IE uses a different browsing engine. So does Opera. Only Safari, Firefox and Chrome (as far as the main browsers are concerned) use WebKit for the browsing engine. That's just how it is, and I've never had issues in the past with Opera Mobile or Opera Mini - granted, this may have changed over the past two or three years.

    2. You can't just toggle a setting to make a browser use a different engine. It simply doesn't work that way.

    3. And no, it isn't Microsoft's job to make web sites recognize IE10. It's sheer laziness or hostility on the part of web developers when a site isn't compatible with a non-Webkit browser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinygerbil View Post
    A lot of browser "incompatibility" in IE10 Mobile comes from the website not dealing with it correctly. As soon as the website detects the following things:

    -it's a mobile device;
    -it's not iPhone or Android;

    it serves up a WAP version circa 2005. Pretty awful. The best thing to do would be to complain on the feedback section of the website. (In Google's case, you'll get nowhere, as they're jerks.)

    I'm actually more and more enjoying the desktop setting on my 8X. It handles intensive sites pretty well, and looks great on that screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a5cent View Post
    You obviously don't really understand what you are talking about. IE10 is compatible with webkit these days. Ten years ago that wasn't so, and the current treatment of IE is simply a relic from days long past.

    I'm not saying everything is fine and dandy with Mobile IE10 (I agree with Engr_Princess). But the situation with Google search is completely unnecessary.
    You think its just google only? There are a lot of other websites that have the same issue. I don't remember it all but I saw it in a brief list I read in a review
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    You think its just google only? There are a lot of other websites that have the same issue. I don't remember it all but I saw it in a brief list I read in a review
    I never said it was just Google. Google just owns the highest profile website experiencing this problem. Furthermore, in contrast to many other webmasters in smaller companies which are simply ignorant and would flip that switch in an instant if told about it, Google's knows better and their behaviour is deliberate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a5cent View Post
    I never said it was just Google. Google just owns the highest profile website experiencing this problem. Furthermore, in contrast to many other webmasters in smaller companies which are simply ignorant and would flip that switch in an instant if told about it, Google's knows better and their behaviour is deliberate.
    So tell me who is the loser in the end? It's the customer. Google can run its platform anyway it likes, it DOES NOT depend on Windows Phone. But a lot of Windows Phone users do depend on Google services. So would it kill Microsoft to do whatever needs to be done to make these websites open the same way they do in all other browsers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammarmalik2011 View Post
    I heard it cant display the mobile version of gmail and facebook correctly? if that's true then WOW....
    That's Google's fault, not Microsoft's.
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    I limit myself in exposure to Google services because by in large they are rubbish. use the built in Gmail on your phone would be my suggestion because they aren't going to do you any favors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammarmalik2011 View Post
    Google can run its platform anyway it likes, it DOES NOT depend on Windows Phone. But a lot of Windows Phone users do depend on Google services
    With WP's almost irrelevant market share, Google can safely tell all it's WP users to "go screw themselves". Correct. It's arrogant, but it won't hurt them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ammarmalik2011 View Post
    So tell me who is the loser in the end? It's the customer. <snipped> So would it kill Microsoft to do whatever needs to be done to make these websites open the same way they do in all other browsers?
    You're still failing to grasp that Microsoft has no viable method of fixing this unfortunate situation:

    The only thing Microsoft can do amounts to a smelly hack, which is to have IE fake it's identity, thereby tricking Google's web servers into serving up the same HTML they serve other browsers.

    Android browsers do precisely that, as they identify themselves to web servers as "Safari". That isn't too bad though, as all those browsers share the same WebKit rendering engine. Since IE doesn't use WebKit, doing so amounts to a violation of some of the most basic internet standards. Although that approach might work in most cases, it wont always work. Microsoft would deservedly get hammered for IE's lack of standards compliance. It would also lead to problems down the road as emerging internet standards change and get finalized. This just isn't a reliable solution that lends itself to being deployed on a large scale.

    Of course Microsoft could also replace their rendering engine with WebKit, thereby sacrificing their ability to control the pace of IE's adoption of emerging internet standards. The pain this would cause to corporations building their own intranet applications over the next decade would likely cause Microsoft's corporate customers to march on Redmond. It is Microsoft's job to shield their corporate customers from changing, non-finalized internet standards. That isn't possible without direct control over the rendering engine, which rules out the use of WebKit.

    Both of those solutions suck. There are no other options. Microsoft is patiently informing website owners, one by one through traditional mail, how to correctly set up their web servers to fix the problem, and most end up doing so. Google and a few others just don't want to.

    If you are gong to hold such strong notions as you currently do, you need to read up on how internet technology works. As it is now you are simply barking up the wrong tree.
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    a5cent: While you are absolutely right in your arguments, at the end of the day the customer is all that matters. Joe Average does not, and should not care why two of the most visited sites on the internet don't work on his phone. It presents a problem for the WP platform and Microsoft. For the user it doesn't matter who's responsible, he just wants it to work. And since this is Microsoft's platform it's also their problem and they need to find a way how to fix it.

    Blaming the competitor that he does not go out of his way to make his sites accessible to your competing platform? Good luck finding some sympathy for that...

    Edit: Oh, and IE still lacks in HTML5 support compared to WebKit, that's just a fact.
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    I don't think it's all Googles fault. I tried that User Agent Switcher (thanks tor landeel) and changed it to Android. While the Google homepage does look like on Android (instead of that hideous HTML 1.0 look we get right now), scrolling through images don't work (only clicking next, which already is a lot better, but still....) and going to Google Maps does show a map, but browsing through it won't go well.

    I really think Microsoft is to blame in all this. If you also look at how Internet Explorer 10 on Windows 8 renders some pages differently than on any other browser (while Chrome and Firefox renders it the same way), the same is the case on Windows Phone. I see sites with for instance drop down menus as navigation not working, while on Android or iOS it works perfectly. And these are full sites, not some mobile sites, so it's not like the site doesn't recognize the browser. Yes, IE is fast, but I would rather have that all sites would render and work like on any other device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevesBalls View Post
    Blaming the competitor that he does not go out of his way to make his sites accessible to your competing platform? Good luck finding some sympathy for that
    Out of their way? It's takes 10 minutes! Is that too much to ask of Google?

    I agree with your take... consumers don't care and shouldn't have to, but we're on an enthusiast site here, were I hope more indepth explanations are appreciated. Anyway, I've explained why Microsoft can't fix the problem. You might not like it, but if you don't believe me the onus is on you to explain how they can. You can complain all day long that the mountain is in the wrong place. If you can't move it, you're wasting your breath.

    Quote Originally Posted by StevesBalls View Post
    Edit: Oh, and IE still lacks in HTML5 support compared to WebKit, that's just a fact.
    Yes, and for reasons I've just explained it's deliberate. HTML5 is an incomplete standard that is still in flux.

    Anyway, why am I always arguing with you?
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    Chiming in here, as a web developer by trade....

    As far as the browser goes, it is mostly there. Not sure, but on the previous version javascript touch events were not included, which really messed up programming for all phones. Other than that, it is really standards compliant, and as long as a developer does their job correctly, it works fine. In fact, of the sites I use, the only one that has had an issue and isn't Flash based (really people?) that had an issue was one I built (drop down menus/javascript bug).

    Oh, and for the record, Black Berry is Webkit based (as of BBOS 10), so WP is the only non-Webkit phone OS with much market share. I see about 1% traffic, for the sites I work on, coming from WP. Of course, that was pre-WP8, haven't looked recently. And WP almost doubles the BB numbers...

    In the case of Google's mobile stuff, it is probably more than just a "switch". More than likely, they built their javascript to work with ONLY Webkit, so they probably would need to re-write their entire javascript library for cross-browser compatibility. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
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