12-06-2012, 02:43 AM #1
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I know all 7.5 are pretty slow but mostly because they are held back by single core. Your thoughts on ie 10 compared to the smartphone competition? I like graphic intensive sites like ign boards and having no opera browser is almost a deal breaker for me.
12-06-2012, 05:06 AM #5
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For a stock browser it isn't bad. Never used an iPhone and Android stock wasn't very good. However, with Android, there were some very nice 3rd party browsers that blew em all away. We'll never have that with our phones. So we need to put pressure on MS to improve IE and add features.
- 12-06-2012, 05:08 AM #6
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12-06-2012, 05:57 AM #7
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A lot of browser "incompatibility" in IE10 Mobile comes from the website not dealing with it correctly. As soon as the website detects the following things:
-it's a mobile device;
-it's not iPhone or Android;
it serves up a WAP version circa 2005. Pretty awful. The best thing to do would be to complain on the feedback section of the website. (In Google's case, you'll get nowhere, as they're jerks.)
I'm actually more and more enjoying the desktop setting on my 8X. It handles intensive sites pretty well, and looks great on that screen.
- 12-06-2012, 06:05 AM #8
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12-06-2012, 06:25 AM #10
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Here are my pet peeves with EI10 after coming from IPhone:
-it does not remember my zoom range when my phone changes orientation by accident.
-no forward button
-the backward button sometimes will take you to the start screen if you happen to try to multitask and then go back to IE (so frustrating)
-no orientation lock
-no options to show search results by most recent. This I loved with Google. I could get the latest news on Nokia Lumia 920 but with IE, I get the same reviews pop up that I have already seen.
-Facebook mobile is horrible and the desktop Facebook chat buttons are very hard to press so its impossible to turn off my chat!
It becomes a bit frustrating to use and these are very simple fixes that makes me feel that Microsoft is just so out of touch with its users. IE can be great if they only listened to us! I am now anti Google due to the crap they put out for windows phone so I am really hoping IE improves ASAP :-)
- 12-06-2012, 06:30 AM #11
The lack of "proper" forward and backwards button is sometimes a bit meh and then some pages working a bit weird (due to reasons given), but other than those I'm really happy with mobile IE10. I used to hate desktop IE, but IE10 there as well is so drastically improved, that I saw no reason to download firefox anymore.
- 12-06-2012, 06:30 AM #12
- 12-06-2012, 06:55 AM #13
I'm not saying everything is fine and dandy with Mobile IE10 (I agree with Engr_Princess). But the situation with Google search is completely unnecessary.
- 12-06-2012, 06:55 AM #14
2. You can't just toggle a setting to make a browser use a different engine. It simply doesn't work that way.
3. And no, it isn't Microsoft's job to make web sites recognize IE10. It's sheer laziness or hostility on the part of web developers when a site isn't compatible with a non-Webkit browser.
12-06-2012, 07:07 AM #15
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User Agent Switcher | Store di app e giochi per Windows Phone (Italia)
You can fake your browser, and make the sites think you're on an Iphone ;)
- 12-06-2012, 07:36 AM #17
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- 12-06-2012, 10:46 AM #21
The only thing Microsoft can do amounts to a smelly hack, which is to have IE fake it's identity, thereby tricking Google's web servers into serving up the same HTML they serve other browsers.
Android browsers do precisely that, as they identify themselves to web servers as "Safari". That isn't too bad though, as all those browsers share the same WebKit rendering engine. Since IE doesn't use WebKit, doing so amounts to a violation of some of the most basic internet standards. Although that approach might work in most cases, it wont always work. Microsoft would deservedly get hammered for IE's lack of standards compliance. It would also lead to problems down the road as emerging internet standards change and get finalized. This just isn't a reliable solution that lends itself to being deployed on a large scale.
Of course Microsoft could also replace their rendering engine with WebKit, thereby sacrificing their ability to control the pace of IE's adoption of emerging internet standards. The pain this would cause to corporations building their own intranet applications over the next decade would likely cause Microsoft's corporate customers to march on Redmond. It is Microsoft's job to shield their corporate customers from changing, non-finalized internet standards. That isn't possible without direct control over the rendering engine, which rules out the use of WebKit.
Both of those solutions suck. There are no other options. Microsoft is patiently informing website owners, one by one through traditional mail, how to correctly set up their web servers to fix the problem, and most end up doing so. Google and a few others just don't want to.
If you are gong to hold such strong notions as you currently do, you need to read up on how internet technology works. As it is now you are simply barking up the wrong tree.
- 12-06-2012, 10:57 AM #22
a5cent: While you are absolutely right in your arguments, at the end of the day the customer is all that matters. Joe Average does not, and should not care why two of the most visited sites on the internet don't work on his phone. It presents a problem for the WP platform and Microsoft. For the user it doesn't matter who's responsible, he just wants it to work. And since this is Microsoft's platform it's also their problem and they need to find a way how to fix it.
Blaming the competitor that he does not go out of his way to make his sites accessible to your competing platform? Good luck finding some sympathy for that...
Edit: Oh, and IE still lacks in HTML5 support compared to WebKit, that's just a fact.
- 12-06-2012, 10:59 AM #23
I don't think it's all Googles fault. I tried that User Agent Switcher (thanks tor landeel) and changed it to Android. While the Google homepage does look like on Android (instead of that hideous HTML 1.0 look we get right now), scrolling through images don't work (only clicking next, which already is a lot better, but still....) and going to Google Maps does show a map, but browsing through it won't go well.
I really think Microsoft is to blame in all this. If you also look at how Internet Explorer 10 on Windows 8 renders some pages differently than on any other browser (while Chrome and Firefox renders it the same way), the same is the case on Windows Phone. I see sites with for instance drop down menus as navigation not working, while on Android or iOS it works perfectly. And these are full sites, not some mobile sites, so it's not like the site doesn't recognize the browser. Yes, IE is fast, but I would rather have that all sites would render and work like on any other device.
- 12-06-2012, 11:23 AM #24
I agree with your take... consumers don't care and shouldn't have to, but we're on an enthusiast site here, were I hope more indepth explanations are appreciated. Anyway, I've explained why Microsoft can't fix the problem. You might not like it, but if you don't believe me the onus is on you to explain how they can. You can complain all day long that the mountain is in the wrong place. If you can't move it, you're wasting your breath.
Anyway, why am I always arguing with you?
12-06-2012, 11:40 AM #25
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Chiming in here, as a web developer by trade....
Oh, and for the record, Black Berry is Webkit based (as of BBOS 10), so WP is the only non-Webkit phone OS with much market share. I see about 1% traffic, for the sites I work on, coming from WP. Of course, that was pre-WP8, haven't looked recently. And WP almost doubles the BB numbers...
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