- 12-19-2012, 11:31 AM #2
Nope, I looked into this and found that 'it's intended for one id'.
Also was disappointed in the new Xbox music in general so am waiting for it to improve. My wife and I are using rhapsody instead. One account, can access via both winphones, Xbox, AND windows 7 pcs. That Xbox music isn't for win7 or even browser version absolutely baffles me. That to me is the evidence that ms releases this about half done and I'm hoping they get it right.
- 12-19-2012, 11:32 AM #3
You have to share your primary WindowsLiveID with that person and they need to setup their WP using that ID as primary. At one point, I created a WindowsID that my entire family shared. It had the Xbox Live Gold and Zune Pass on it. We could all share the pass and a calendar which was nice, but we were also sharing buy default the XBox ID...which go real annoying when my son's friends would blow up my phone, Xbox account with requests.
I have since changed back to standard config...but if you want to look...here's the article I used
How To Share Your Zune Pass Safely with a Family Member on Windows Phone 7 and Zune HD
12-19-2012, 11:38 AM #4
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I was disappointed as well. We ended up getting 2 passes since we really heavily use it, but it does stink...
I will have to disagree with nathan though...we LOVE it. I don't listen to mainstream music and it has never failed me when I have gone to look for an artist.
I have gone and updated all our PCs to Windows 8 however. We have 3 Xbox 360s, 2 Desktops, 1 Zune, 2 Surfaces, and 2 Lumia 920s all connected and it really has been great...
- 12-19-2012, 01:38 PM #9
- 12-19-2012, 01:45 PM #10
Violating the terms of the license that you agreed to when you purchased the IP can result in severe civil and criminal penalties. Civil penalties can be up to $150,000 per infringed work, and criminal penalties can be up to $250,000 and jail terms of up to five years (in the US).
No, I'm not saying that you're going to go to jail, but think about this. Developers invest a lot of time, energy, and often money into the apps they create. Musicians do the same with their songs. Movies..... You get the idea. They do this with the hope of realizing a return on their investment. By stealing a song, an app, a movie, you are taking from that IP creator something that you do not own. When you're talking about a $0.99 song or a $1.99 app.... How much is that compared to what you give to the phone company for the phones (plural, since you're talking about sharing) that you carry around?
Is what we have the best possible scenario? No. Perhaps there should be a family plan. Perhaps that is something Microsoft should consider. Given that it sounds like a lot of people from iOS (I haven't heard of talk about this on Android, but it wouldn't surprise me that it's there, too) do share accounts, I suspect that this subject is just going to get more and more attention. If the agreement between the purchaser and the seller allowed for sharing, then this would be a non-issue. But given the climate that the music and movie industry has created, I doubt we'll see that... Though I could be wrong. With apps, however, it's a different ballgame. There is no "app developer industry association" so basically Microsoft could muscle the developers and change the agreement they have with them. Then they could change the agreement that they have with users, and allow sharing between family members. But in muscling the developers, you may see developers leave, and Microsoft doesn't want that, do they?
As a developer, I don't think I'd take too kindly to the super monster software conglomerate telling me that from now on I get one purchase price (of which they already take 30%) for the sale of my app to a whole family, where I had been getting it from each person who wanted my app. My response would probably be along the lines of "just who do you think you are that you think you can tell me what I am allowed to sell my apps for, and under what conditions???" Then I turn all my apps into free apps (so MS doesn't get a dime) and switch to an in-app purchase model, where you can go install the app as many places as you want, but each instance has to be paid for or it won't work. Yeah, I don't think that'll go over too well. Besides, Microsoft isn't in the muscle business.
Someone else posted a comment that I really liked, and I'm open to the idea. Create a family plan, where you pay more than the single price, perhaps double price, and you're allowed to install to anyone in your family's phone, given limitations that are still open to discussion. Limitations such as who counts as a family member, how many family members are allowed as a maximum, and so forth. The suggestion that I threw into that discussion as a limitation was that since MS already has the Family Security program, whatever it's called, they already have framework of parent/child relationships. With that in mind, and given that those parents are allowed to see the child web surfing history and such, you could say make a family only allowed to have two adults, and x number of children, and the child accounts would be fully open to be seen by the parent accounts (discourages you from sharing with Joe the neighbor as a child, if he doesn't want you to see his history).
I'm not a lawyer, so don't expect that this is a comprehensive overview, but just the words of some guy, who knows the subject better than the average Joe, because knowing this stuff is in my interest, and I've done the best I can to make it understandable, even though I may not know all of the caveats.
Now here come the trolls to berate me, once again, because I want to live in the utopia of people actually obeying the law, and respecting other people's property - even their intellectual property.
- 12-19-2012, 01:46 PM #11
- 12-19-2012, 02:22 PM #12
You know, you're right. XBox Music pass is designed for one person. About Xbox Music Pass | Xbox Music Pass - Xbox.com
No matter if I agree with that or not, it's breaking the TOS. I've removed my comments about it.
12-19-2012, 02:52 PM #13
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Yet we have kids corner! That goes against the tos too ya know. Your letting your kid use your Xbox live account. Ya didn't think of that did ya. And I already dealt with ms about my wife not being able to use it cuz we have a family gold account. Guess what they suggested. Just have her use yours. From what I understood they are thinking of fixing it so Xbox families pay one price and all can use music pass. Bet it saves some money.
- 12-19-2012, 03:52 PM #16
- 12-19-2012, 04:43 PM #17
- 12-19-2012, 04:47 PM #18
About Xbox Music Pass | Xbox Music Pass - Xbox.com
UPDATE: Though 'designed to be used for one person' doesn't mean can only be used by one person...
- 12-19-2012, 08:46 PM #22
· resell or redistribute any part of the Services or access to the Services, including the sale or purchase of an account and/or Microsoft Points;
· use or attempt to use any unauthorized means to modify, reroute, or gain access to the Services;
· obtain (or try to obtain) any data from the Services or related hardware, except the data that we intend to make available to you;
I'm thinking sharing your account means that someone else is using an unauthorized means to gain access to the services, since the TOS of a Microsoft account prohibits letting someone else use your account. And if you obtain (or try to obtain) services that you didn't pay for, then Microsoft didn't intend to make them available to you.
1.10. How can I use the Services? You agree that the Services are only for your personal use, and you will not use the Services, any content available on the Services, or your account, for any commercial purpose. You may only access the Services with an Authorized Device or by logging into your account online. You may be unable to use the Services outside the country associated with your account ("Territory"). You may not sell, assign, or otherwise transfer your account to another person. You must keep your accounts and passwords confidential and not authorize any third party to access or use the Services on your behalf unless we provide an approved mechanism. You must contact Customer Support immediately if you suspect misuse of your accounts or any security breach in the Services.
- 12-19-2012, 11:21 PM #23
Like I said in my original post, I have since changed it because of the issues with sharing XBox IDs.
That said, the configuration is not illegal like claimed. I purchased all the phones, I pay the cell service for all the phones, I pay for the Xbox music pass; therefore, all the phones belong to me and I'm allowed to play that music on multiple devices. That's not stealing unless its illegal to let my kids/wife use one of my phones.
12-20-2012, 09:52 AM #24
- 123 Posts
I really think if its family that is not a tos violation considering you pay for that service. Family gold account with one primary makes it hard for the others to get a music pass. Now sharing outside your family with friends is just wrong! Netflix was meant to be one acount in a household any way.
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