- 12-20-2012, 09:29 PM #1
-- Sorry i am cross posting this, I initially intend to create this thread on this forum but inadvertently created in Lumia-920
I am in market for a new phone and I really like WP8 (920 in particular), i have been contemplating over for long and comparing between android and WPs.
As I am a .net dev., I am inclining towards WP (though i would really like Viber/Rebtel fully working, as I use it almost daily).
The only thing that bothers me is the thought if MSFT would screw us again by dictating new hardware requirement for WP9 and not letting us upgrade to the new OS without upgrading to a compatible hardware. I want my phone hardware to survive for next 2-3 years at least.
As a comparison, look at Android, almost all the 2012 android hardware released in 2012 are quad-core > 1.5ghz, LG/Motorola are already touching 2 ghz quad core or with Atom processors (rumor mill has it that Samsung Galaxy S4 would have 2Ghz quad core proc as well). With 2 gigs ram and super ghz multi cores, these hardware can take future release very easily.
Likewise, Apple let 4 generation old hardware iPhone 3GS upgradable to latest ios releases. Till date the resale value of iphone 3gs is probably one of the best give it is such an old model.
The best 2012 WP8 model is with 1 gig ram and 1.5 ghz dual core processor, does it not bother anyone why there is such a strict restriction for the vendors, knowing there is already better hardware available in 2012 (GS3 with quad-core released in May 2012) ? Knowing what MSFT did to WP7 users and with strict hardware requirements, I sort of want to back out.
- 12-20-2012, 09:42 PM #2
I am sure if an OEM wanted to they could use better hardware WP8 is supposedly a lot more scalable. However we won't know for sure until WP9 but hopefully they don't do this again.
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- 12-20-2012, 09:46 PM #3
WP8 has support for up to 64 cores and is willing to accept 1080p screens in a future update. I don't think there is a RAM requirement. So no, I don't think WP8 hardware will be left behind.
12-20-2012, 09:53 PM #4
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64 bit only, is an issue. When Windows desktop goes that, I'm sure Windows Phone will do the same as they now share lots of code. I hope that is sooner rather than later but many apps on the desktop are just staying 32 bit.
Then you can't upgrade. 8 & 9 going to 10 maybe...this is all hypothetical and 6 years down the road so who knows.
- 12-20-2012, 10:28 PM #5
And I guarantee you, WP8 will last for at least three years. And I predict WPX.X will be here for much longer. But the nice thing is, as you have stated you are just comparing, you don't have to back out of anything; just go to the platform that fits you the best now. After all, you'll probably be able to jump to a new OS within the next two years at a very reduced cost. that's the cellular model.
By the way, I am a .NET developer too, but I choose WP because it was superior to iOS and Android. Why do you prefer it as a .NET developer?
- 12-20-2012, 10:36 PM #6
Well it doesn't worry me because WP8 will support up yo 64 cores as stated above, but I'm gi e with dual & quads for now. Game near instant load on WP8. The reason we don't have 2ghz Quads is really obvious, we run just as smooth with dual core than an android runs with quad. I see no limitations as of right now.
- 12-20-2012, 10:46 PM #7
- 12-20-2012, 10:59 PM #8
Are you saying you misunderstood the facts and wish to reposition your argument?
- 12-20-2012, 11:55 PM #9
I think WP8 is based on NT Kernel version 8, same as the current windows 8 and RT, so you can upgrade to the next NT kernel version, same as windows 7 pc can be upgraded to windows 8 now.
And WP7 is based on Windows CE (PocketPC) is not the same as Windows 7 laptop or desktop versions based on NT Kernel ver. 7, thats why you cannot upgrade WP7 to WP8
- 12-21-2012, 12:04 AM #10
I expect 18 months of support out of a new phone. I don't keep the same phone for 4 to 5 years. Mobile technology moves fast. Whatever is the latest and greatest today, won't be the latest and greatest in 6 months.
Good luck to you.
- 12-21-2012, 01:41 AM #13
Microsoft sets minimum standards. Not maximum. You aren't being deprived of next millenimum hardware and I don't think you should be Jonesing for it. WP8 runs spectacular on these guidelines. WP7.x ran pretty much perfect on the specs of that generation. I can tell you as an early adopter of LTE, SAMOLED, and multicore phones that bleeding edge things tend to tank battery life. Microsoft has researched the performance of this OS, and hasn't shown it will ever be slow in the future. You keep citing the 3GS being updated: I guarantee it runs like crap. With Android you can't be sure you'll even get an update. With WP you get the best of both worlds. That's why I hope to be joining the fold. Still, the OEMa need to step it up with resolution. Don't want to go back to anything lower than 720p.
12-21-2012, 10:42 AM #14
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I don't really worry about this much for the future. Microsoft can't be too behind the curve on Windows RT support for hardware and that should push Windows Phone along too.
12-21-2012, 12:44 PM #15
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Of course MS could have gone this way also and named 7.8 WP8 and removed some functionality of WP8 would you have been happier then ??
- 12-22-2012, 01:48 AM #18
I don't think you should worry about it unless you plan on using the phone for more than 2/2.5 years. I had the same thoughts when I purchased mine but figure because we are the early adopters we should get a long life out of these phones as WP9 won't be out for quite a few years and by that stage I will have already upgraded or want to upgrade. We have guaranteed updates for 18 months and I'd say beyond that as I don't see WP9/W9 coming out for atleast another 2 or 3 years.
The early adopters of WP7 got a good 2 years worth of updates and another year to come. We'll get the same and most likely better as there's still a good chance we'll get some WP9 support because we're running the Windows NT kernel already. As for the hardware, WP8 runs just as well/better than a quad core Android device. So does the iPhone. It isn't all about the raw hardware specs. Software plays a big part. I say if you want to jump on and you want to receive support for as long as possible then there's no better time than now.
- 12-22-2012, 04:29 AM #19
Wow, so much uninformed guesswork in this thread.
Ultimately, the goal is to make buying a WP device easy and risk free. Consumers can make purchasing decisions based on design, color and formfactor, without having to fear making major mistakes in the nerdy tech department.
- The NT kernel supports up to 64 cores, but in no way does that imply WP8 will be using more than two anytime soon. As it is now, Microsoft's chassis spec forbids it. Obviously, Microsoft can define additional chassis specifications on which WP8 may also be installed. However, as I mentioned in my first reply, reasons exist not to permit hardware with such widely varying performance characteristics.
- RAM requirements exist. OEM's can choose one of two possible configurations (again, see the chassis spec)
- I'm also going to claim that WP8 will not support 1080p displays. Ever. Unfortunately, I have nothing in writing to back that up with. Consider however, that HTC found it necessary to publicly cancel a device due to Microsoft's unwillingness to support 1080p displays.
Note also, that Microsoft has not once said: "WP8 owners will all get the next major version of WP". Not once. What Microsoft does say is: "WP8 owners will get updates and modernizations for at least 18 months"... that isn't any different from what WP7 is experiencing now... However, as usual, people hear what they want to hear.
- the highest display resolution currently allowed on a WP8 device is WXGA.
- the CPU must be a dual-core. Nothing less, but also nothing more.
- the RAM specifications allows for two configurations, 512 MB and 1GB, depending on screen resolution. Nothing less, but also nothing more.
- many more examples exist.
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12-22-2012, 01:52 PM #20
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- 12-22-2012, 08:20 PM #22
Yes, you could install ios 5 on a 3GS, but the performance was crap and it didn't support all the features.
Comparing Android and WP on the update issue is ridiculous. All current WP7 phones will get updates up to 7.8. All Android phones other than the Nexus that were released when most of these WP7 phones were released aren't getting updates for a while now. My Android stopped getting updates 8 months after it was released. It never got Android 4.x.
Maybe the phones you're talking about have quad core CPUs (Android really needs that power) but that doesn't mean they'll still be getting updates a year from now.
Microsoft promised at least 18 months of updates for WP8 devices. I assume that's counting from the phone's release date, and assuming WP9 will be released next fall, all WP8 devices will get it.
If you're a .net dev, you should be able to understand that WP8 was a major change, the kind you don't do unless you have to and you don't do that with every major version release.
Most WP7 users I speak to don't feel like they got screwed. A lot of them think 7.8 is good enough. Average users don't care about those things
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