12-24-2012, 12:35 AM #51
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Thurrot likes MS's products, but always is critical of their marketing and general plans for success. Since Nokia is supposed to be a large part of WP's success, he will be critical of them by association.
If MS expected HTC to be huge then he would have said that HTC is inept and praised Nokia. If MS had Samsung as their big player, he would criticize Samsung.
He has an opinion just like everyone else. And it's no more valid than anyone else's. I'd actually say in instances about MS's long term business growth, it may be less valid than many others because he's pretty much going to take a Debbie Downer viewpoint most of the time.
Everyone has that friend that's pretty smart and is fun to discuss stuff with, but is so negative that sometimes you have learned to not take some things they say seriously.
Yeah. He's THAT guy.
12-24-2012, 12:37 AM #52
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Nokia is not circling the drain. WP8 is still new to the market and these things can take some time. WP8 may not have been an overnight success, but it is far from a failure. Eventually, there will be a critical mass and it will draw the attention of developers. However, it may not necessarily be US-based devs.
12-24-2012, 12:57 AM #53
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I joined WP because of Nokia as well. Best camera and screen on a phone, The potential for a great windows 8/xbox ecosystem and the innovative look of WP did it for me. The only concern I have is the divisive nature of Microsoft. The argument that BB10 is supported on all,carriers doesn't mean much because HTC has their phones on all other carriers. Nokia is planning something with Verizon anyways.
- 12-24-2012, 01:13 AM #54
I've asked it before, I'll ask it again: what the heck do people think Microsoft can bring to the table? Microsoft's advertising has been so terrible that Lumia is a stronger brand than Windows Phone, it has no expertise in any mobile hardware components, it doesn't have the distribution channels, and will not provide any exclusive software with its devices.
All the Surface Phone can do is bring 1) an attractive form factor and 2) an attractive price tag. 1) is already handled just fine by HTC and Nokia. 2) won't result in any sizable market share gain if the distribution is restricted similar to the Nexus 4 and the Surface RT.
- 12-24-2012, 01:57 AM #57
It has laid off about 40% of its employees world wide and floated two "junk bond" sub--prime issues in the past 18 months for operating cash.
That's not a company that is "out of the woods" yet.
12-24-2012, 02:50 AM #58
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- 12-24-2012, 03:18 AM #60
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- 12-24-2012, 03:19 AM #61
And I also don't believe hat HTC just copied Nokia with bold colors on their phones. I'm sure they were just designing it to match some of the color themes from the tiles.
- 12-24-2012, 03:51 AM #63
Re the apps, I think a lot of developers were put off when MS announced WP7 phone wouldn't be upgraded to WP8. That means twice the amount of work for them to get an app that works on both platforms, or they have to ignore WP7 and concentrate on a platform that is pretty much starting again (WP8) after wiping out however many millions of devices that can't get WP8.
If MS hadn't have put the restrictions in place for WP7 meaning devices could have carried over to WP8, there may have been a bit of a stronger position re apps and developers. Although apps for me personally aren't an issue with the exception of no ability to stream any TV. It's the one thing I'm really missing.
- 12-24-2012, 04:14 AM #65
- 12-24-2012, 04:16 AM #66Surface Xbox: A consumption device for games and media
As Microsoft’s media ecosystem improves in an admittedly weak-kneed way, the firm should consider a 7-inch consumption-oriented tablet to compete with the market leaders in this segment: The Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, Google Nexus 7, Amazon Kindle Fire HD, and Apple iPad mini. This device would work as they do, providing access to first- and third-party media services such as Xbox Games, Xbox Music, Xbox Video, Amazon MP3/Instant Video/Kindle, iTunes, Barnes & Noble NOOK, and so. Given the form factor, this is one area where an ARM-based device might actually make sense, and my recommendation is to kill off the Surface with Windows RT with the Clover Trail-based device mentioned below. Another excellent idea for this product, which would justify the Xbox branding: Make it compatible with Windows Phone 8 apps and games: Now we have a product that really makes sense.
- 12-24-2012, 04:41 AM #69
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- 12-24-2012, 05:12 AM #72
What I want or don't is irrelevant. Once BB10 goes live, they're going to nail down 3rd place simply because they're already positioned for it with their current user base. From all indications so far, the new phones don't look like they'll be experiencing any of the glitches and problems that are plaguing wp8, and the launch itself appears like it's being handled in a much more polished and professional manner. I find the fact that all of the big carriers are getting on board right away just as they do for iPhone a foreshadowing of what's to come.
The prototypes have been out on the street for months, the sdk has been in developer hands for months, there's no interference from middleman OEMs, and the OS itself looks more innovative and efficient than what android 4.2 or ios6 (or WP) have going for them
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- 12-24-2012, 08:02 AM #74
Pretend for a minute that the list of ongoing issues that is being passed around here and news media was actually addressed before launch, and that they had finished the missing things like the notification center. And that live tiles were actually as live as people were hoping they would be. I expect we'd see less articles like this, less threads like this, and higher sales reports. Maybe not an eye popping difference but an improvement anyway.
Back to your original ecosystem point, millions upon millions of people are quite content using iPhones and iPads and androids along with their Xboxes and Windows PCs and there not much indication of that being any different at the present moment. Where ecosystem becomes more important to the average user is when they can use the same purchased apps on both their phone and tablet, and that can be had with any OS
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- 12-24-2012, 08:32 AM #75
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