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  1. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Sorry but sometimes you guys are slow to report certain news and we deserve the right to discuss them as they happen.

    If a competing site reports news that has yet to be reported here, I don't see the big deal in using them as a source in the interim (which is what happened here) to get the debate rolling.
    I agree 100% but in this thread I removed the link from the OP before it was quoted and the OP changed it back. WPC had this story up front and was denied the discussion. This is the WPC forums if we have the article posted shouldn't we have the right to discuss our article first?
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 01-05-2013 at 12:42 PM.
    01-05-2013 11:10 AM
  2. Luminatic's Avatar
    Apparently if you make your WP prentend it's an Android, google maps works, all of a sudden:

    Video proves that the Google Maps Mobile web app is perfectly usable on Windows Phone | WMPoweruser

    Webkit, my ***.
    01-05-2013 11:36 AM
  3. ohgood's Avatar
    I agree 100% but in this thread I removed the link from the OP be for it was quoted and the OP changed it back. WPC had this story up front and was denied the discussion. This is the WPC forums if we have the article posted shouldn't we have the right to discuss our article first?
    by that logic, no news gets discussed until it makes the front page ?
    (Shrug, I can dig inclusion and all, but it would reallllly slow things down)
    so the forum feeding off the front page, or the front page feeding off (and restricting) the forum ?
    01-05-2013 12:09 PM
  4. Dave Blake's Avatar
    by that logic, no news gets discussed until it makes the front page ?
    (Shrug, I can dig inclusion and all, but it would reallllly slow things down)
    so the forum feeding off the front page, or the front page feeding off (and restricting) the forum ?
    Hmm... Did you read what I wrote? Read it again you are not comprehending what I have stated here.
    01-05-2013 12:41 PM
  5. ohgood's Avatar
    Hmm... Did you read what I wrote? Read it again you are not comprehending what I have stated here.
    please excuse my alternative universe... we dont have RIF here.

    wow.
    fail. :D
    Last edited by ohgood; 01-05-2013 at 04:21 PM.
    01-05-2013 12:53 PM
  6. squire777's Avatar
    Reading comments on sites about this issue, and the previous issues such as the blocked Youtube access it's becoming apparent that Google fans are becoming similar to what they hated - Apple fans.

    Reading comments about how MS is "against openness" and still thinking that Google is the saint in all of this just shows how delusional fandroids have become. They were better when they were only talking about how great the 10 cores on their phones were.
    01-05-2013 03:47 PM
  7. photobriangray's Avatar
    All links to competing websites have been removed from this thread. Do not add them back.

    Is Google now blocking Windows Phone from using Google Maps? | Windows Phone Central
    Sorry to bend rules. It was a cross post to another forum. As a former forum admin for a tech site, I understand your position, but we will see news before the editors on a regular basis. Perhaps subbing links to the news page when you pick up the story is a good idea as you do credit the original source.
    01-05-2013 04:19 PM
  8. cgk's Avatar
    Is this place like the old Soviet Union now? You can only discuss the official state news source?
    01-05-2013 04:44 PM
  9. brmiller1976's Avatar
    I would venture a guess that Google is not as concerned about accommodating 3% of smartphone users as Microsoft is about accommodating 75% of smartphone users. Microsoft is struggling enough as it is to gain market share; making it next to impossible for 3/4 of the market to switch would be very foolish at this point.
    That's the exact same argument that some made in favor of Microsoft altering Windows to forbid Mac, Amiga and Atari ST computers from networking or file sharing. "Why accommodate the 25%?"

    That resulted in the biggest anti-trust action in decades against Microsoft, incidentally.
    01-05-2013 05:31 PM
  10. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Should google, apple, and microsoft have to provide source code, apis, sdks and full access to all their code and services ?
    Should all companies be required to also ?

    I hope you can see the point.
    Sure, I see the point.

    Here's the Google answer: When those SDKs, APIs and patents are made by Apple, Microsoft, RIM, Nokia, SonyEricsson, Siemens, etc., then Google should be able to access and steal them for Android, without paying any licensing fees at all for those companies' property, and release it to the market. Any effort by any of the players in question to seek compensation for their work from Google and its OEMs is "anticompetitive" and "anti-consumer" and "against the open web." To retaliate, Google should be entitled to actively block users of operating systems it doesn't like from accessing the Google web monopoly.

    Of course, when Google has SDKs, APIs or other IP, that is Sacrosanct Private Property that nobody should be entitled to access, because it's Google's stuff and they can do what they want. And anybody who seeks to block people from accessing Google's services is an evil web-destroying tyrant who should be brought low by Net "Neutrality" legislation designed to force ISPs to subsidize Google's business model (along with the content creators and IP creators, who are expected to hand over all of their stuff -- for free -- to Google).

    Such "logic" by Google strikes me as flawed and self-serving, but what do I know? I'm part of the 25% who don't use Android.
    01-05-2013 05:36 PM
  11. Dave Blake's Avatar
    Sorry to bend rules. It was a cross post to another forum. As a former forum admin for a tech site, I understand your position, but we will see news before the editors on a regular basis. Perhaps subbing links to the news page when you pick up the story is a good idea as you do credit the original source.
    Yes this... At times enforcing the rules can be uncomfortable, doing what is right is never hard. Our writers are the best out there if they post on a topic its because they have information to add. We want this community to have the real story. We know our writers will provide the best quality information and will update their story with any new information. If anyone cares to take a quick look around the forum you can see posted links to many stories from many websites and discussions that our staff did not cover.

    Is this place like the old Soviet Union now? You can only discuss the official state news source?
    Yes we are now exactly like the Soviet Union...
    01-05-2013 05:49 PM
  12. brmiller1976's Avatar
    I'd wondered why there was a hammer and sickle in the corner now!
    01-05-2013 05:51 PM
  13. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Speaking of news -- looks like Google blinked. They claim that they turned off maps because they hadn't tried it with IE 9 or IE 10. (Laughable nonsense, but still, let 'em have their fig leaf).

    Google says Maps redirect on Windows Phone was a product decision, and will be removed - The Next Web

    Hopefully, this little episode will build up some skepticism about Google from a tech media that's always been all-too-willing to swallow whatever bowl of codswallop that it offers them.
    01-05-2013 05:56 PM
  14. stmav's Avatar
    Where's the good vodka? Hiding it in the admin lounge?
    01-05-2013 05:57 PM
  15. irvin792's Avatar
    Speaking of news -- looks like Google blinked. They claim that they turned off maps because they hadn't tried it with IE 9 or IE 10. (Laughable nonsense, but still, let 'em have their fig leaf).

    Google says Maps redirect on Windows Phone was a product decision, and will be removed - The Next Web

    Hopefully, this little episode will build up some skepticism about Google from a tech media that's always been all-too-willing to swallow whatever bowl of codswallop that it offers them.
    excellent find, google is becoming more laughable by the day.....
    01-05-2013 05:59 PM
  16. irvin792's Avatar
    Speaking of news -- looks like Google blinked. They claim that they turned off maps because they hadn't tried it with IE 9 or IE 10. (Laughable nonsense, but still, let 'em have their fig leaf).

    Google says Maps redirect on Windows Phone was a product decision, and will be removed - The Next Web

    Hopefully, this little episode will build up some skepticism about Google from a tech media that's always been all-too-willing to swallow whatever bowl of codswallop that it offers them.
    funny how they just tested it and say oh it works fine on ie10 lol
    01-05-2013 06:02 PM
  17. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Yeah, isn't that funny? "We're just blown away that it works on any Windows Phone released in the last two years!"
    01-05-2013 06:05 PM
  18. irvin792's Avatar
    Yeah, isn't that funny? "We're just blown away that it works on any Windows Phone released in the last two years!"
    but it never worked guys ;P
    01-05-2013 06:13 PM
  19. E36M3TS's Avatar
    Glad to hear Google appears to be rethinking this, though still frustrating. I just picked up my HTC 8x a few days ago, 1 month after switching my laptop to Win 8. I had been on a Motorola Droid Razr Maxx (prior to that I had a Blackberry Tour). The reason I switched is that Android was SO BUGGY! I was using all of Googles apps regularly, but they constantly crashed, lagged, and froze. Even Chrome for Android wouldn't run for crap and it was THEIR OWN SOFTWARE.

    Long story short, I finally couldn't take it any more and switched over to WP8. As someone who has owned and used Blackberry, Android and now WP8, I LOVE WP8. It really is the best OS on the market IMO. However, had Google not dropped the ball in making Android functional, I would not have changed.
    01-05-2013 06:15 PM
  20. bbqrooster's Avatar
    Although Google backed down this time. But don't be so happy. Knowing Google's evil way, they'll tweak the Google site, make it not compatible with mobile IE10 and then shut down the link claiming mobile IE10 does not work. The only way to permanently remove this threat is to totally remove yourself from Google services although some people might not be able to. Microsoft and Nokia need to step up to make Bing/Nokia Maps equal or better than Google Maps, and make Bing a worldwide search alternative to Google search.
    01-05-2013 06:25 PM
  21. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Agreed. Google got caught in a lie, this time, but I'd not be surprised if an "update" to their stuff was built not to work with IE... with Google saying "IE doesn't support advanced functionality for our new experience."

    This is a little reprieve to get yourself out of the Google Ghetto before the gate slams closed again.
    01-05-2013 06:30 PM
  22. irvin792's Avatar
    Agreed. Google got caught in a lie, this time, but I'd not be surprised if an "update" to their stuff was built not to work with IE... with Google saying "IE doesn't support advanced functionality for our new experience."

    This is a little reprieve to get yourself out of the Google Ghetto before the gate slams closed again.
    I'm still waiting for the Microsoft account renaming feature to come back :(
    01-05-2013 06:40 PM
  23. arrowrand's Avatar
    This is a little reprieve to get yourself out of the Google Ghetto before the gate slams closed again.
    How does this provide a reprieve for anyone to get away from Google? Doesn't every WP 7 & 8 device come with descent maps and navigation apps?
    01-05-2013 07:40 PM
  24. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Plenty of people have legacy data, like saved points of interest, locked inside the Google Ghetto. Time to break 'em free, before they go gulag again!
    01-05-2013 07:45 PM
  25. ohgood's Avatar
    Plenty of people have legacy data, like saved points of interest, locked inside the Google Ghetto. Time to break 'em free, before they go gulag again!
    this is getting funnay
    01-05-2013 08:23 PM
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