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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blake View Post
    After all that it's comments like this that ruins any credibility that you might gain. I don't understand why you are here. What is the porous of this post? Can you tell me that?

    You must have a reality bubble around your head nothing gets in.
    The purpose is to clearly define what the "selling like hotcakes" number actually is. Look at the last few posts. Even your own recent post has questioned what is factual and what is a mistake. (post #18)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohgood View Post
    The purpose is to clearly define what the "selling like hotcakes" number actually is. Look at the last few posts. Even your own recent post has questioned what is factual and what is a mistake. (post #18)
    Don't try to change facts. I never questions any statistics I asked where the breakdown came from. Where does the miscommunication came from?

    My question was answer.

    http://press.nokia.com/2012/10/18/no...nterim-report/


    This is all part if the numbers posted and provided that you continue to discount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blake View Post
    I would also like to know where the break down came from. I don't recall seeing the numbers broken down to that level in any of the articles I have read.
    I believe I read over at theverge, but can't seem to find the link right now. Either way, 4.4 million Lumias were sold, and I honestly believe the majority were WP8 devices, especially considering that the 800/900 never sold in those quantities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohgood View Post
    now you've got me figured out... there are reasons i am always looking for the sources.

    get fooled once and lose some dime, it sticks with ya.
    I don't think anyone really cares you "got fooled" once. You're arguing for the sake of arguing, even in the face of evidence that directly contradict the stuff you spew around here. Or am I not to believe Nokia's official press release about 4.4 million Lumias sold just because an anonymous and argumentative forum member says so?
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    I read some where that the new factory can make 600k phones a month so what can the old one do plus this 600k is about what the can sell a month I see if I can find this numbers some where

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohgood View Post
    Even the 4.4m you've referenced (2012 Q4) is still only a rumor. The transposing of facts and rumors in threads like this is very confusing.
    A CEO is not allowed to state false information. There are legal ramifications.

    In any event, we'll know when the earnings call is done in a couple weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imem View Post
    I read some where that the new factory can make 600k phones a month so what can the old one do plus this 600k is about what the can sell a month I see if I can find this numbers some where

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    if that's the case then they need to build some frickin more factories or take old ones out of mothballs. Didn't they close some in Finland? Put some Finns to work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohgood View Post
    The purpose is to clearly define what the "selling like hotcakes" number actually is. Look at the last few posts. Even your own recent post has questioned what is factual and what is a mistake. (post #18)
    You also have to realize that the numbers may not be immediately available and are still being tabulated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blake View Post
    Don't try to change facts. I never questions any statistics I asked where the breakdown came from. Where does the miscommunication came from?

    My question was answer.

    http://press.nokia.com/2012/10/18/no...nterim-report/


    This is all part if the numbers posted and provided that you continue to discount.
    I don't change facts, I dig for them (thanks for the link). Read your own post again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post
    You also have to realize that the numbers may not be immediately available and are still being tabulated.
    exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohgood View Post
    exactly
    Sometimes sales can also be inferred from the size of the orders. If they are making bigger orders or more orders now than they had been at this time last year. One can get a sense of how the sales are. It's also noted that the sales of the 8X helped HTCs profits as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imem View Post
    I read some where that the new factory can make 600k phones a month so what can the old one do plus this 600k is about what the can sell a month I see if I can find this numbers some where

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    That doesn't sound very accurate, I'm afraid. If the factory can only make 600,000 phones a month, and they sold 4.4 Lumias in Q4 2012 (and assuming that, for the sake of the argument, 3 million of those were Lumia WP8s), that would mean that it would take Nokia 5 months to simply produce that many Lumias, let alone package, ship, distribute, deliver to customers.

    600,000k may have been the early Nokia-induced target, but I believe they quickly ramped up production based on "better than expected" (Nokia official press release) demand from the market.
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    Yea. I agree with you man. Have you seen the official HTC facebook page. It's filled with 8X ads. they confirmed that the 8X is their best selling HTC product right now and want to make it sell more
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    Can't find that article
    It was about a factory in China.
    The only thing I find is some thing about a factory in Vietnam.


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    Just to cut this rumor before it spreads, the article imem speaks of comes from sohu.com.

    In that article, it is mentioned that the capacity of their largest factory, the Nokia Beijing factory is about 2M Lumias per month. They also mention that at some point, the devices made there were manufactured in the following ratio:

    Lumia 920: 20k / day or 600k / month
    Lumia 820: 25k / day
    Lumia 620: 20k / day

    This ratio has most likely long since been adjusted to suit the market demand more accurately, but at some point it was roughly this.

    I would like to point out that it's useless to try to use these numbers in any sort of estimations or calculations because they are not official, up to date nor even complete. We have no idea when the device production began and these numbers only speak of the Beijing factory when Nokia manufactures smartphones also in other locations such as Mexico and South Korea.
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    Here's my 2 cp:

    1. For "China", he might be talking about Great China which includes Hongkong + China Mainland + Taiwan.
    2. For "Windows phones", he might be talking about WP7 or HTC
    The first official Lumia 920 sales were in Shanghai on Dec. 24, and only 200 sets were available.
    So basically Nokia Q4 sales in China will have nothing to do with WP8.

    WP market share was getting better in China, but no way as hot as USA. 50% users using 610/710, they won't suddenly go for Lumia 920.

    IMO what Greg said, was just a advertisement for coming holiday weeks.
    Chinese Spring festival (equivalence for Chrismas+New Year) will be Feb.7-14, 2013. So the "Black Friday" will generally start next week when people get their annual bonus.
    That's why Apple sold so many iPhone at 2012 Q1, instead of 2011 Q4.
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    #42  
    I see there are still forum members sucking the life out of discussions with their thirst for attention. I've moved onto another platform and don't even trash windows phone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaichuke View Post
    Just to cut this rumor before it spreads, the article imem speaks of comes from sohu.com.

    In that article, it is mentioned that the capacity of their largest factory, the Nokia Beijing factory is about 2M Lumias per month. They also mention that at some point, the devices made there were manufactured in the following ratio:

    Lumia 920: 20k / day or 600k / month
    Lumia 820: 25k / day
    Lumia 620: 20k / day

    This ratio has most likely long since been adjusted to suit the market demand more accurately, but at some point it was roughly this.

    I would like to point out that it's useless to try to use these numbers in any sort of estimations or calculations because they are not official, up to date nor even complete. We have no idea when the device production began and these numbers only speak of the Beijing factory when Nokia manufactures smartphones also in other locations such as Mexico and South Korea.
    Aye that's the one
    And agree that you can't make a estimate summary on that


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    Quote Originally Posted by imem View Post
    Aye that's the one
    And agree that you can't make a estimate summary on that
    But you said 600k phones a month, not 600k Lumia 920 phones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMBasquiat View Post
    But you said 600k phones a month, not 600k Lumia 920 phones.
    Yes and how is perfect?
    I remembered wrong.
    No big deal IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by cckgz4 View Post
    I see there are still forum members sucking the life out of discussions with their thirst for attention. I've moved onto another platform and don't even trash windows phone
    You know there still is a Windows Phone waiting for you. I think you've played around with the dark side long enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crystal_planet View Post
    You know there still is a Windows Phone waiting for you. I think you've played around with the dark side long enough.
    Agree

    The force is strong in this one.
    Don't be afraid then you end up in the dark side

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystal_planet View Post
    you know there still is a windows phone waiting for you. I think you've played around with the dark side long enough.
    lol
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