- 07-04-2013, 12:47 PM #4
maybe, just to please people who want to have the highest spec phone even though it might not matter.
I think quad core or more could be helpful for powerful games with controllers support .
- 07-04-2013, 12:59 PM #5
Yes, we do need it. In an age of Retina displays and 1080p Galaxy S4 phones, we need it just to show that we're technologically relevant in the "specs wars". But if you ignore the bickering, hold two phones up to each other and look at them, then yes... there's no denying that the 1080p on an S4 or HTC One phone looks gorgeous. Show the same photo on a 1080p screen and a 768p screen and tell me which you'd rather look at!
I think too often we get our panties in a wad over higher resolution meaning that we cram more onto the screen and things get "smaller". That's clearly not the only case... you can scale the items on the display to the resolution and achieve something wonderful too. I'm using Windows 8.1 on my Surface Pro, and hands down the new scaling is FANTASTIC! I don't have to keep my laptop on "125%" all the time to see things. Apps that support the scaling just automatically adapt font sizes and it's a wonderful thing.
I don't want to make 1080p Windows Phones that have 6 columns, for example, any more than some of the commenters we saw on the site early in the week. I don't necessarily want a Phablet device either. I just want the screen I have to be crisp, bright, and readable. 1080p 4.5" display would be the epitome of crisp and clear.
If you still don't think we need 1080p, do you think we needed it on our TV's? Go back to a tube TV and tell me that we don't need 1080p. Try comparing a Windows Mobile 6.5 display with a Lumia 920 and tell me we don't need 768p compared to the old size. It's utter nonsense to say "we don't need to move forward!" Yes, we do.
07-04-2013, 01:34 PM #6
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Holding your phone from you at a standard distance 30-40cm you cannot tell the difference between the screen on a htc8x, htc one or a gs4. 1080p isn't needed on mobile devices. The current crop is perfectly good for media consumption on a small scale. I personally would rather keep my 768p display and enjoy a couple of extra hours on my battery than go up to 1080p just for specs and not be able to make it through the day on a full charge.
Step up the screen size to phablet 6" plus and yes I think you do need it.
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- 07-04-2013, 01:44 PM #7
People talking about iPhones and Retina displays don't know what they're talking about. The 920 has a higher pixel density than the iPhone 5, and at a larger screen size! The iPhone has the worst specs on the market and yet people still hold it up as a standard. Get your heads out of the marketing people's butts.
- 07-04-2013, 02:03 PM #11
In a nutshell:
From a purely emotionless and technical viewpoint, we do not need it on smartphones with display diagonals below 5". Only a handful of people in a thousand have the almost superhuman eyesight to make out a difference during normal use.
I have compared the LG Optimus, the GS4 and the HTC One displays to my L920, and in terms of sharpness, I can't tell a difference during normal use. What I do notice very well are differences in contrast and colour reproduction. Because I prefer AMOLED screens, I would give the nod to the GS4 display over that of my L920, but that has nothing to do with the GS4 having a 1080p display. I also prefer the L925's display over that of my L920 for the same reason.
Software also plays a role in all this. For example, WP doesn't always fully resolve jpeg images before displaying them in the image browser. That allows the device to flip faster between images, but makes them look a bit blurry on screen. Some people mistakenly attribute that blurriness to insufficient display resolution, which understandably is also a big source of confusion.
In general, our eyes are far more sensible to motion and differences in brightness, contrast and colour than display resolution. However, those attributes are a lot harder to improve upon, requiring real research and engineering effort, which is why progress is slower and that doesn't lend itself well to marketing materials (which expect to be updated at least once a year). Nevertheless, improved marketability is a real reason why we need 1080p displays. The overwhelming majority of normal and sane people don't have the time to really look into this issue, and are thus happy to stick with the bigger numbers are better approach.
When moving beyond 5" there will come a point where 1080p makes sense again, but where that point lies is a very individual thing. At the end of the day, that is the only thing that matters. If you personally can't tell a difference between 720p and 1080p displays (as I can't), then there is no reason to place any importance in it. You are better off saving the money, or getting a device with an equally powerfull GPU and enjoying a smoother smartphone experience.
Fluidity of motion is far more important to me than resolution, so my goal is to get the WP device that ships with a 720p AMOLED display and pairs it with the highest end GPU available. That combination will give me the best user experience.
- 07-04-2013, 02:16 PM #12
- 07-04-2013, 02:31 PM #14
Specs are used to compete against Android phones as that is what is primarily marketed (100 cores, 4k display 16 GB RAM etc). I used a GS4 the other day, and even though it is in terms of specifications a supercomputer, it didnīt exactly run like one. The iPhone 5 with older specs, well it runs just fine. The Nokia 620 for crying out loud runs perfectly fine and look at its specs. I personally think the overall experience on the phone is what counts and that isnīt always directly proportional to specs. I use iOS, and were I to change platforms, WP is probably the safest bet for me as the approach is quite similar.
07-04-2013, 03:03 PM #15
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Do we need 1080p? No. Do we want 1080p? Yes.
That's like asking if you need a 620 hp supercharged 6.2 liter V8 Corvette ZR1 to go grocery shopping. No, because a Toyota Prius will do just fine but I guarantee you would have more fun and be happier going in the Corvette!Microsoft - Band
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07-04-2013, 03:21 PM #19
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On a device that's under 4.5"? No.
On a tablet? Yes
Thing is, we already know 1080 is coming. Will it be worth it? I just can't justify a small handheld device with that much resolution. I have a 920 and it's more than enough for me. To please the buzzword happy and spec happy people though, it's a good thing it's coming.
It's for a niche group if you ask me. The layman just wants a phone that looks decent and more importantly just works. :)
- 07-04-2013, 03:33 PM #20
Yes. Well, we want it. I really want it lol. I was at a T-Mobile store the other day and the S4 was on display. The screen was so sharp and clear that I couldn't even tell the phone was on. The screen looked fake, like it was painted on.
The only thing I'm worried about with 1080p screens is the impact on battery life. As it stands, the only way I can get through a day with my 920 is by barely using it. Nokia needs to make sure that whoever supplies them with batteries better be giving them good batteries. And also we need processors with better battery management.
I want to see a Lumia with a 5-5.7 inch 1080p AMOLED screen, a Snapdragon 800, and a Pureview camera.
- 07-04-2013, 03:48 PM #22
All of you saying we don't need it are still missing the point... it's called technology, and it's always moving forward. So you're either lying if you say you don't want your tech to improve, or you're stuck in the past. Stop trying to justify what we have today (which is awesome) with what's coming in the future.
Regarding the claim that you can't tell a difference... bulls**t. Yeah, if I hold one phone by itself, I never think about it. I'm blind as a bat, though, and when I hold two phones next to each other I can see the differences (regardless of which is better). BTW, I never suggested other phones were better... I just said they were great, and they are, so again... stop trying to instill a false comfort to justify what you have.
As for the battery life argument... again, bulls**t. How's the battery life on the S4 or One? And on the Lumia 920? Pretty drastic difference, actually.
I really don't understand why anyone wanting the future of Windows Phone to succeed would suggest that we don't need a technological improvement... 1080p, quad processors, or any other feature. I'm sure the same arguments were made about accelerometers, compass, NFC, and any other feature.
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