- 09-03-2013, 09:27 PM #4
- 09-03-2013, 09:32 PM #5
09-03-2013, 09:52 PM #7
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There are a lot of uncomfortable truths in that blog post that will be ignored here. Lets be honest, WP would already be dead if not for the Lumia series. WP enjoys little to no carrier support. The only region it has done relatively well is Europe, thanks to Nokia's carrier relations and customer reputation there. Now that Nokia is gone, WP is going to face more difficulty getting to consumers, not less. And it will make no difference even if the next Lumias are the best phones ever. I'm a huge Nokia Lumia fan, but it makes me sick what Elop and MS did to Nokia and its employees (there are going to be thousands of layoffs - and notice who will stay - sales (ie carrier relations) and manufacturing). You have to be willfully blind to think Elop didn't kill the N9 and release the burning platform memo by mistake because he's just that stupid. It was sabotage.
09-03-2013, 10:25 PM #8
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Oh, stop it. Gawd, all you Chicken Littles. No need to read any article, everyone is pulling predictions out of their arses. Every read old predictions about anything? Fly cars by 2000 being the classic example.
I like to overview the present phone maker/market situation as follows: Forget Blackberry, at least for now. That leaves Androids, made by many companies, iPhone, made by one company from beginning to end, and WP, up to now, made by a partnership. I think that looking over many millions of user experiences, iPhone is the most integrated, stable, no surprises platform. If there's a problem, Apple is on it. Android suffers from too many cooks and no one takes responsibility. Many problems over many years over many brands, some now attaining tradition status. Like battery drain. Just today a friend told me he uses 2-3 batteries a day, "but I'm on it a lot!"
MS makes mistakes. Zune mp3, anyone? Apple makes mistakes. How many HD video connectors have they created and dropped? But MS IS the 1000 pound gorilla in tech life because they tend, in aggregate, make good decisions.
(Someone above said that WP is only doing well in Europe, not at all true. Huge seller in Mexico, like a third of new phones and strong generally in Latin America.)
The only thing I fear about this purchase is that MS loses a head. You know, another voice as they make decisions. But Apple ain't doing so badly with only their own voice.
"The future's so bright I gotta wear shades."
- 09-03-2013, 10:56 PM #9
TL;DR. Just another windbag blogger pundit.
I really have to question cereal killer's motivations in finding this article and posting it here. 3300 global posts? 13 posts here? A Droid in your profile? Not looking to spread FUD, now, are you?
- 09-03-2013, 11:17 PM #10
It never fails to amaze me how people on the outside seem to think they know what goes on in the inside and somehow can predict the future...nevermind the fact that most industry leaders in the past 15 years never would have predicted apple re-inventing the phone business, an internet search company called google basically taking everything over or Nokia and RIM dissolving....
None of us know what is going to happen with technology in the future...small upstarts are the ones that bring new ideas to the table and cause industry disruptions...big companies are successful only if they can ride out those storms...Microsoft has rode out every storm that has came whereas most of the competition over the last 20+ years are now long gone.
MS were late to the game with a reply to the iphone and they are paying for it now. However, buying Nokia for relatively chump change (money they would be paying in taxes anyway) is a no brainer.
I personally believe they decided to buy Nokia now because of the timing of Ballmer leaving. Elop was probably on their radar to take over MS eventually anyway but if Nokia was still a going concern, taking the leader from the only smartphone company that was pushing WP8 would be a terrible mistake...this way, they get a brilliant leader and manufacturing and design expertise.
Will they win in the end? Who knows...in the end MS had no choice and it's best to see how the cookie crumbles in a few years rather than pulling BS out of your arse, like most pundits and bloggers do these days
- 09-03-2013, 11:53 PM #12
Motivations? Have an open conversation with the wp community on this analyst ( research his background) blog post.
Its not a hit piece on WP and MS. Spoiler Alert: it's about the carriers and Skype.
09-03-2013, 11:53 PM #13
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Either way, the kinks of WP are dwarfed by Android land. You wouldn't believe the list of **** wrong with my girlfriends Android. You'd think it was a 40 year old car with 300k miles, 15 owners, and horrible maintenance. She was so eager to dump that thing when she got her 928.
09-03-2013, 11:56 PM #14
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- 09-04-2013, 12:05 AM #15
- 09-04-2013, 12:24 AM #16
Why, what does it say? Now you have me worried, LOL.
- 09-04-2013, 12:37 AM #17
Wow, I haven't been on CrackBerry for a LONG time. Yeah, I really wanted to like Android. I had a G1, a Samsung Captivate, and most recently a Nexus 7. I don't think I kept a one longer than 90 days, Android's just not for me.
09-04-2013, 12:51 AM #18
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I found the article interesting regarding the carriers and Skype. Really good point if true. Also, the historical Nokia numbers were astounding. It definitely makes you hope Elop isn't the new Microsoft CEO.
But, oddly enough, I've seen more AT&T employees with Windows Phones in the few times I've been in a store than I've seen in the wild.
09-04-2013, 01:12 AM #19
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The world was supposed to end in 2012. It didn't. Analysts are entitled to their opinions. That's what they teach us in B schools , write long baffling posts so that by the time you come to the end of it , you will get so bored that you will agree to them. If you can't convince..confuse :)
BTW , Microsoft - NOKIA deal makes sense. But whether or not it is a success , that largely depends on what MS does from here. If they continue to be the laggard , slow behemoth then yeah even a baby can predict doom. But now that they have Nokia resources , they cant make excuses those "startup" excuses that Joe Belifore had once made !!
- 09-04-2013, 01:58 AM #22
Bottom line: Android phones have issues. iPhones have issues. WP8 phones have issues. The issues may be (and undoubtedly are) quite different, and certainly the fragmentation of the Android system brings unique problems to that platform, but in the end the degree to which each respective phone platform either annoys you to distraction or suits your needs perfectly (and all states in between) comes down to personal experience and tastes, and how you use or want to use your phone. Someone who never listens to music on their phone won't give a rat's @rse about random duplicate song listings in the music databases on a WP8 phone. For those who listen to music extensively, it's essentially a showstopper.
- 09-04-2013, 02:02 AM #23
09-04-2013, 02:18 AM #24
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It's amazing how people deny that Nokia was failing before Elop got there.
They don't understand the concept of ecosystems or the type of infrastructure needed to support it.
They also dont understand how technology moves. They think you could sit on your laurels with old crappy tech and succeed just because it worked in the past.
Nokia was already pretty much dead in the US market and was also starting to either in other markets. Their "smartphones" weren't that smart. And the only thing that kept them somewhat okay in the smartphone market in the SHORT TERM was the large existing install base of Symbian and the cheap smartphones that people could buy that could use their old old old Symbian apps.
The writer then blames Nokia's downward spiral on the "Elop effect"; failing to realize that he did not have supreme power and did not act in a vacuum. The writer also fails to realize that the problem Nokia faced is that they changed TOO LATE, not that they changed.
- 09-04-2013, 03:09 AM #25
I didn't read the article but just what was posted here, a few things:
1) Nokia hasn't really been big with high end phones in the US.. just about ever. Most US writers dont realize what a powerhouse Nokia still is outside US and especially the powerhouse it was before. While US is a huge and important market, Nokia managed to be the market leader for a long time with basically very bad market penetration in the US.
2) Elop was put as a CEO to an already sinking ship. The way I see it, he has managed to salvage alot. The mistakes were done years before Elop joined Nokia, I think he has managed fine seeing what he has had to work with. I don't really know what to think about this MS purchase and Elop's role in all of that, just looking at his history and track record with Nokia.
3) Never had any issues with my Lumia 920, will likely keep buying Lumias in the future whether they are Nokia or MS branded. The only real alternative for me might be Jolla, but I love the W8-ecosystem and have invested quite a bit in it and will keep doing so too.
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