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    I know. 64 bit is a marketing term. But do you think that we should expect 64 bit Windows phones very soon??? correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't WP already support because the NT kernel supports. it if they do how come they haven't enabled it??

    so do you think since Apple and soon Android do you think MS can simply just update WP and support it???
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    I think we might see it in WP9
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdubmu View Post
    I think we might see it in WP9
    really??? I wouldn't be surprised if we see in WP8.1 or the post Wp8.1 GDR updates
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    Maybe in the next version of the OS, not 8.1, but certainly it won't be long 'til Microsoft makes some kind of announcement.


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    Only should be an issue if smartphones go over 4GB of RAM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12Danny123 View Post
    I know. 64 bit is a marketing term. But do you think that we should expect 64 bit Windows phones very soon??? correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't WP already support because the NT kernel supports. it if they do how come they haven't enabled it??

    so do you think since Apple and soon Android do you think MS can simply just update WP and support it???
    64bit architecture is totally irrelevant for today's phone hardware because A) phones will never ship with more than 4GBs of RAM -if they do then that would be irrelevant as well B) almost 99% of the apps will have to be coded to take advantage of 64bit mode -developers are not going to want to do this unless you have an app that you think will take advantage of the 64bit architecture .... Fun fact: 3/4ths of desktop apps are 32bit still C) apps will be bigger in size if they are coded to utilize the 64bit architecture.
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    there is no need of 64 bit
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    64 bit is a gimmick. Apple just wanted to yell "first!"

    Give them a cookie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amritash Pathania View Post
    there is no need of 64 bit
    Short term maybe, but long term definitely.

    Its difficult to find a 32 bit PC these days, and the xbox is 64 bit. It Microsoft's vision is all apps, on all their platforms, it makes sense to have WP & RT on 64 bit to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttsoldier View Post
    64 bit is a gimmick. Apple just wanted to yell "first!"

    Give them a cookie.
    I agree with this, and I am a spec whor*.
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    I'll add my voice to the naysayers.

    64 Bit processors are not a requirement at this stage. Until there is a requirement for more RAM and apps can actually be programmed easily to utilize the 64 bit architecture there is simply no point. I don't see where phones need to get as powerful as a standard PC. As much as I love the idea of the full portable computer there are always limitations.
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    Windows Phone runs smoothly on any CPU. I personally don't want a 64-bit nor a quad-core ARM processor in my next phone because it's not a PC or an Android. I want a smartphone that uses all of its internal components in a smart way. There's no need for extra power if the system doesn't require it.
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    The one advantage over iOS is that most of the Windows Phone apps are written in C# so will not need to be recompiled for 64 Bit as this is handled by the CLR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnailUK View Post
    Short term maybe, but long term definitely.

    Its difficult to find a 32 bit PC these days, and the xbox is 64 bit. It Microsoft's vision is all apps, on all their platforms, it makes sense to have WP & RT on 64 bit to.
    PCs and Xbox have a legitimate need for 64 bit: to support more than 4Gb of memory. There is only one WP with 2Gb memory, and that's to help process very large picture files (on the 1020).

    Smartphones will eventually need more than 4Gb, but probably not for the next few years at least. And even when they do, the os will move to 64 bit, but most apps will still be 32 bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12Danny123 View Post
    I know. 64 bit is a marketing term. But do you think that we should expect 64 bit Windows phones very soon??? correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't WP already support because the NT kernel supports. it if they do how come they haven't enabled it??

    so do you think since Apple and soon Android do you think MS can simply just update WP and support it???
    Marketing BS aside, all the ARM processor in phones today are 32-bit only. You will have to wait for Qualcomm or Samsung etc. to product 64-bit ARM processors first before you will see 64-bit WP OS
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    If wp had done it first, the fans would be so smug...

    As chips get more and more efficient, I say "why not?" And enjoy the faster photo editing, video editing, map loading, and increased battery life as it streams down.
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    People seem to forget that 64bit actually slowed things down when it first came to PCs.. because apps are bigger so take longer to load, and for all the extra registers you add for 64bit support, 32bit apps can use them to make those run more efficiently.

    The OS image is almost twice the size - so rather than taking up 2GB it would take 3-4GB, which when we have 8GB drives is a big decrease.

    And when RAM is currently 512MB - 2GB, we're not really challenged there yet, and because of virtual memory, unless a process wants more than 4GB RAM individually, it's not an issue.

    Before Apple released a 64bit processor, nobody cared one hoot about 64bit on a mobile device.

    When Qualcomm releases 64bit processors, we'll see them in Windows Phones. Until then 32bit will be better from a power/performance and definitely price perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxbat121 View Post
    Marketing BS aside, all the ARM processor in phones today are 32-bit only. You will have to wait for Qualcomm or Samsung etc. to product 64-bit ARM processors first before you will see 64-bit WP OS
    Bingo!

    It has nothing to do with MSFT at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xconomicron View Post
    64bit architecture is totally irrelevant for today's phone hardware because A) phones will never ship with more than 4GBs of RAM -if they do then that would be irrelevant as well B) almost 99% of the apps will have to be coded to take advantage of 64bit mode -developers are not going to want to do this unless you have an app that you think will take advantage of the 64bit architecture .... Fun fact: 3/4ths of desktop apps are 32bit still C) apps will be bigger in size if they are coded to utilize the 64bit architecture.
    Quoting another famous American businessman, attributed to Bill Gates but was really IBM, "640 KB ought to be enough for anybody". The new Iphone will ship with a 64bit processor. With that OS, it stands to be REALLY awesome once apps are built to take advantage of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttsoldier View Post
    64 bit is a gimmick. Apple just wanted to yell "first!"

    Give them a cookie.
    But as with many things, and totally oblivious to iSheep, Apple was not the first. The 2012 Huawei Ascend D had a 64 bit processor.


    From: Huawei: Ascend D Quad is as powerful as a 64-bit PC | News | TechRadar
    "While PCs now run at 64bit, most of our competitor's smartphones only run 32-bit processors. Huawei is proud to announce that its smartphone, the Ascend D Series runs at 64 bit."
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    Quote Originally Posted by xconomicron View Post
    64bit architecture is totally irrelevant for today's phone hardware because A) phones will never ship with more than 4GBs of RAM -if they do then that would be irrelevant as well B) almost 99% of the apps will have to be coded to take advantage of 64bit mode -developers are not going to want to do this unless you have an app that you think will take advantage of the 64bit architecture .... Fun fact: 3/4ths of desktop apps are 32bit still C) apps will be bigger in size if they are coded to utilize the 64bit architecture.
    Really? Haven't we learned by now its a bad idea to say never. The 1020 already has 2GB. 4GB is only a matter of time. 4GB on 32 bits is possible, but it creates complications if you want to use the full 4GB. 4GB+ practically demands 64 bit. Also it doesn't matter that apps are 32 bit. My computer has 8GB ram and that means that I can run a 32bit app that uses a full 4GB of ram without problems. You can't do that in the 32 bit world.
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    Can Current wp8 be ported to 64?
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    You guys are thinking of 64-bits from a PC mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xconomicron View Post
    64bit architecture is totally irrelevant for today's phone hardware because A) phones will never ship with more than 4GBs of RAM -if they do then that would be irrelevant as well B) almost 99% of the apps will have to be coded to take advantage of 64bit mode -developers are not going to want to do this unless you have an app that you think will take advantage of the 64bit architecture .... Fun fact: 3/4ths of desktop apps are 32bit still C) apps will be bigger in size if they are coded to utilize the 64bit architecture.
    Its completely relevant if WP wants to keep up with everyone else. In another few months Samsung will have 64bit phones as well as Apple. Doesnt matter if we need them or not, people want the latest and greatest.
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    Screw that, I want 65 bits! MOAR BITS!!!!


    p.s. I don't know if I'd call it a gimmick.. That phrase was thrown about a lot when the first Galaxy Note launched. Now everybody is popping out monster phones.
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