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    First of all I'll get this out of the way: The Lumia 920 is a great piece of hardware and I think the PureView technology will blow many people away... if they get to see it.
    But we're now in September, just one week before the iPhone 5 reveal. What was there today to keep people interested beyond WPCentral readers who are already sold on Windows Phone?
    There was no full OS reveal, no date, no price, no carrier availability, just the promise of great hardware.
    When the iPhone 5 is announced next week, all of the above will be addressed and within an hour people will be placing preorders. Why doesn't Microsoft get it? Why not give people amazing incentive to not preoder an iPhone (again, people who don't read WPCentral)?
    Am I completely crazy here?
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    And also, with all this talk about camera and camera features I was expecting Instagram to be announced as a "one more thing" but no. For public perception, having a great camera is great but also having Instagram is better.
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    I have to admit, that is exactly what disappointed me about all of this. Thanks to the leaks the handsets themselves weren't a big surprise (I do like them though), but the fact that there was nothing about the OS and absolutely nothing about availability and pricing? Just crushing. I honestly didn't see the point of it being a joint event with Microsoft if there was so little information from Microsoft it self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahiti Bob View Post
    First of all I'll get this out of the way: The Lumia 920 is a great piece of hardware and I think the PureView technology will blow many people away... if they get to see it.
    But we're now in September, just one week before the iPhone 5 reveal. What was there today to keep people interested beyond WPCentral readers who are already sold on Windows Phone?
    There was not full OS reveal, no date, no price, no carrier availability, just the promise of great hardware.
    When the iPhone 5 is announced next week, all of the above will be addressed and within an hour people will be placing preorders. Why doesn't Microsoft get it? Why not give people amazing incentive to not preoder an iPhone (again, people who don't read WPCentral)?
    Am I completely crazy here?
    I agree as there was a lot left out, but....shhhh....you can't say stuff like that around here...
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    I agree to an extent that the announcement felt underwhelming, but those that are going to buy the next iphone would buy regardless of what was announced today.

    Also, why would you take pictures from a great camera like that and ruin them with crappy instagram effects? The less instagram pictures out there the better.
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    Errr, come on. Wireless charging, super sensitive touch screen, sunlight reading enhancements. This is a huge upgrade, what will iPhone have? Navigation and a extra row of icons ? And maybe NFC as well.



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    I see your point, but I don't think they've blown it. I do agree that they should've divulged more information as to dates and stuff, but I don't think that's a blown save. Most ppl that will buy an iPhone are already set in their ways. Either they like it or they don't. I don't feel iPhone has enough innovation to simply keep everyone happy. Progress for WP will be steady and not the eruption you think it should be. Based on what I saw at that event, Nokia is cooking up a pretty beefy stew.

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    While I wasn't necessarily surprised with most of what was announced due to most of it being leaked, I thought all the extras announced for the camera were innovative. There isn't anything really innovative in bringing Instagram to WP8. It doesn't differentiate from the other OSes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squire777 View Post
    Also, why would you take pictures from a great camera like that and ruin them with crappy instagram effects? The less instagram pictures out there the better.
    Oh yeah I'm with you on that but people are crazy. They want a great camera but they still want to have Instagram on their phone to ruin their pictures. But people do love that app a lot so you can't ignore that.
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    This event isnt for the likes of people who are frequent viewers of sites that follow this stuff. This was a major press event that will get coverage from traditional outlets. When the everyday consumer goes to find a new product they will read how this compares with the IPhone and whatever premium android device is out there in their local paper. Already USA Today is covering Nokia so that is good branding, and then there will be a launch event with even more publlicity followed by a marketing splash. This is a good thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by cp2_4eva View Post
    I see your point, but I don't think they've blown it. I do agree that they should've divulged more information as to dates and stuff, but I don't think that's a blown save. Most ppl that will buy an iPhone are already set in their ways. Either they like it or they don't. I don't feel iPhone has enough innovation to simply keep everyone happy. Progress for WP will be steady and not the eruption you think it should be. Based on what I saw at that event, Nokia is cooking up a pretty beefy stew.

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    I think many iPhone users are bored of it but fail to switch to something else because other OSes are not compelling enough in their eyes. All they need is a good reason and they didn't get that today.
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    This event isnt for the likes of people who are frequent viewers of sites that follow this stuff.
    Well that's my point exactly. People who come here know that WP8 should launch around October 29th and they know that AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon are on board. But the average consumer doesn't know that. The average consumer wants a date, a price, a carrier availability. All they know after today is that Nokia is working on a new phone, that's not enough.
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    I thought the show today was incredibly underwhelming. The market may agree as well, as shares of Nokia (on the US exchange) are down 12% for the day, last I looked.
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    Unfortunately I agree. It was completely underwhelming.
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    Rather like announcing the Surface waaay back in June and then watching the Nexus 7, iPad mini and Kindle Fire 2 beat them to launch.
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    I agree in part to the sentiment here, keep an eye out for what could be a pretty heated discussion on our next podcast...
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    Maybe they are holding some info to release after the iPhone event? Or perhaps for the Helsinki store reopening on 9/7? Seems odd that you would open a store with wares that are obsolete, per today's 820/920 announcement.

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    I'm due for an upgrade and would have been happy to pre-order the Nokia 920 today. I was disappointed to see there was no such option.

    I have to agree with the OP, Apple will likely cover all the bases with their announcement and also offer pre-orders.
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    I was underwhelmed by the overall design, the 920 does not look that much different than the Lumia 900. But then I looked over the specs, and yes, I was impressed, and blown away, and will be buying one. If a device like the 920 cannot pull people away from their iPhone, then nothing will, so forget those people, they would never switch anyway. I can see how this will appeal to a lot of people though. I know I know... a lot of people just gotta have Instagram... but I think its more important to have a killer camera that people can use to send photos to grandma with, to take shots of little billy while he is playing at the baseball game... things like that.
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    I totally agree, after having gotten half decent cams in the phones I practically stopped using my DSLR and my compact shooter, yet my photo collection has grown a bit boring since the phone cam is not up to par yet. This is the main reason that I'm already craving this beauty. That and the wireless charging ;)

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    Anyone who thinks Microsoft just blew it lives in a bubble. 50% of the American population doesn't even have smart phones yet. Those that do are going to be very difficult to switch, especially iPhone users.

    Relax. A couple of months means nothing.

    Not to mention announcing new features now would just have the phones drowned in the wave of iPhone love from all media coming in a couple of weeks. Smart to hold off until after.
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    It depends on when Windows Phone 8 phones are actually released.

    I think that no matter what was announced here, it would be no match for the iPhone's hype. That's just reality. They could have announced a phone that transforms into a robot that will then wash your car, but once the iPhone press conference comes, Apple would have all the hype.

    I think a lot of general Windows Phone 8 stuff is being saved for the Build Conference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahiti Bob View Post
    Well that's my point exactly. People who come here know that WP8 should launch around October 29th and they know that AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon are on board. But the average consumer doesn't know that. The average consumer wants a date, a price, a carrier availability. All they know after today is that Nokia is working on a new phone, that's not enough.
    No, the "average" consumer walks into a store when their contract is up and looks around. They don't want a date and they mostly stay on their carrier. They will buy the phone if Joe Verizon at the store tells them it's a great phone when it is available.

    The people who read about phones and wait to hear the features, then decide which to buy are an enormous minority.

    The vast majority of people wait until their contract is up and then go look at new phones in a store.

    Microsoft and Nokia have lost nothing today. Absolutely nothing.
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    The enthusiasts who read tech blogs already had their minds made up about wp8, good or bad. it is frustrating that the launch is so far behind the announcement, but the average person doesn't know anything about that. Today's announcement will not include a produced package on my 6:00 news, the way the iPhone invariably will...when these things hit store shelves, then ms and Nokia had better be ready to push it. I just hope the launch doesn't arrive a full month after iPhone 5...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dainla View Post
    Anyone who thinks Microsoft just blew it lives in a bubble. 50% of the American population doesn't even have smart phones yet. Those that do are going to be very difficult to switch, especially iPhone users.

    Relax. A couple of months means nothing.

    Not to mention announcing new features now would just have the phones drowned in the wave of iPhone love from all media coming in a couple of weeks. Smart to hold off until after.
    An easy way to avoid being drowned in iPhone love is to get your phone out first. By the time the 920, etc get to the market, millions of iPhones, Galaxies and others will have locked up a couple years worth of customers. The lack of urgency by both Microsoft and Nokia is breathtaking. Please no excuses that it takes time, Microsoft is the worlds largest software company, they could move this much quicker if they wanted to. The 920 is an outstanding phone and easily competes with the others on the market! I am in no rush, but a whole lotta potential customers will be gone and holiday money spent by the time these two get their act together.
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