- 07-05-2013, 01:54 PM #1
Is this the best time to start talking about things like this?
Not saying they should lie but, maybe get across the things that aren't so contentious, and what gamers want etc?
- 07-05-2013, 02:20 PM #2
You have something against Bengay? Or you just realized that the Xbox is supposed to make money for Microsoft?
"I can't stand advertisements on things that I pay for...that is why everyone refuses to pay for cable, to read magazines, and to drive on highways littered with billboards"
- 07-05-2013, 03:32 PM #4
Seriously, what is the upside to this console? It's like they're TRYING to devalue the brand or something, because all I keep seeing is announcements of the negatives with the thing. I don't see Microsoft giving interviews about the positives.
- 07-05-2013, 04:07 PM #5
I didn't understand what their point was but, i understood your reply so I'll go based on that.
if he was saying i think its bad, or wrong then i never said that. Don't have a particular view on it at moment.
My point is that at best it's very contentious. Especially when there's the fear of snooping, and kinect watching you regardless of how valid or not it may be.
Why aren't they pushing and talking about the things that everyone can get behind?
- 07-05-2013, 05:04 PM #6
I think this kind of kills any speculation on whether or not the Kinect will spy on you, in my opinion. When you say "Kinect will be used for advertising," that tells me things like voice collection will occur. That, or it might mean it'll save who you are, then pick "preferred" ads for you when you log in. Basically, it'll keep track of who is logged in, tell that to Microsoft, and have them pick potentially-relevant ads. I don't like that one bit, and it's part of why I've made the statement that I'd legitimately wrap my Kinect in foil.
- 07-05-2013, 07:14 PM #7
At least it can be switched off, but given add targeting etc, i would also think different levels of on/participation opt in would be good.
Given all the negative press, i just find it hard to believe this is the sort of things their discussing.
Like i said, I'm not saying they should lie but at least attempt to move discussion onto positive things like games, about how they talked to developers, plans for indie, how cloud/cost of hosting will make a big difference, whatever.
Try to affect the narrative for the better.
07-06-2013, 09:52 AM #8
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From the article: "whereas, from the advertising point of view, we have a slightly more limited set, which is designed to protect the user. The company is very keen on protecting the user from any sort of abuse, so we canít do certain things.Ē
- 07-06-2013, 12:57 PM #9
As for that second statement: That is why you'll find nothing but my name and birth date on my Facebook account. It's also why I gave up Android, have nothing to do with making a Google account, and use no Google-owned services (no more Android and never used GMail, and deleted Chrome shortly after first installing it) except YouTube, when necessary.
07-08-2013, 08:00 AM #13
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1st, I never have liked ARS Technica as I find many of their articles extremely biased, same with most tech blogs though ;(. In any case, I'm sure they will advertise on it, and I'm sure PS4 will do the exact same thing.
I will say though, so far, MS PR for the Xbox one has been awful. Good thing they got rid on Mattrick as he clearly screwed up the launch of the product. I mean seriously, even though it is a little less powerful than the PS4, so was the 360, so that wouldn't have made much of a difference. Personally, I liked the older DRM system they had because thye were basically trying to do a steam-like model for the store, and as a steam user, I Liked it. The problem was that 1) I don't think console gamers were ready for it, its clearly a different market than PC gamers so they should have attacked it differently, and 2) the PR was awful. I personally don't see the xbox having to be connected to the internet as an issue as mine is always connected to it anyways, but then to go and say "well you can buy an Xbox 360" as an answer was awful PR.
Hopefully if they play their cards right, they might be able to do well, but MS main weakness, still, is marketing...
07-27-2013, 11:11 AM #14
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- 08-08-2013, 11:29 AM #16
I'm really hoping that Microsoft is just getting the negative things out of the way first. Then near launch, just have good press. A "make them hate us for the bad stuff, let them forget, then drown them in good news" model.
- 08-09-2013, 12:04 PM #20
The reason I care is how Microsoft is charging people more and putting little inconveniences everywhere. We have to buy the Kinect, making the console $100 more than the PS4. The controllers are going up $10. The Play & Charge is going up $5. The generic headset is going up $5 (when purchased separately). They put EVERYTHING behind the Xbox LIVE Gold paywall, which is also $10 more than PSN+. On top of charging their customers more than the competition, they then have to litter their nice-looking dashboard with ads to boot? Now they're using the Kinect to shoot ads at us?
This is the kind of stuff you expect from Facebook. It's also the kind of stuff people get mad at Facebook for.
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