- 09-21-2013, 11:45 AM #1
If you are like a lot of people, you have a older TV that you use your 360 on now. I still have a classic(6-7 years old now) 65" 1080i Rear projection TV, this only has component HD inputs (analog). I was going to upgrade it finally this year (still looks great, as I have tweaked the hell out of it) but, with the announcement of 4K TVs, I want to wait till about Spring/Summer next year before jumping on a new large screen TV (CES in Jan will be flooded with 4K tvs and lower prices from good brands with a spring/summer release frame).
This brings up a major dilemma for me and others, I want to play xbox one/PS4 on my current TV but, HDCP brings a major problem. HDCP is a digital secure connection to your TV, allowing 1080p from your devices (truth be told, analog/component could provide 4K res). The people who created HDCP are the people in the movie industry who don't want people to be able to output a full 1080p signal in analog because of people copying it and making PERFECT copies. Both the PS4 and the Xbox One will use HDCP (it has been said, to what extent is another story). This means, I can not use these systems on my current TV.
I'm in IT but, for many years, I did work as a Home theater/Audio video specialist. I have setup home theater setups well over $100K and hundreds of them. I even ran my own business for a while building custom Home theater PCs.
I have spent some time investigating how to work around this issue and I found a device that will address this problem for me, it is about the ONLY device that I found. It's called the HDfury, it will take a HDMI signal, strip out the HDCP signal and output in analog (component or VGA). If you put 720P into this device, it will output 720P, it's just a strait converter same with 480P or even 1080p/i. It even has color adjustments and the reviews are, that it gives a better picture than just going component directly from a device. These are commonly used for High end projectors that only take RGB/Componet in and people who want to see 1080p on them.
The HDfury 2 (that has component HD out or the HDfury 1 that has only VGA out), will allow this and allow people to use Xbox one, PS4, Blu-ray, etc on a NON-HDMI-HDCP TV. They make a few models but, one of these will take care of this problem for people.
This adapter is not cheap, the HDfury 2 is $179.99 and the HDfury 1 (VGA output only) is $99. This is all you will need for this. Right now, there is a few on ebay for $90 (ebay normally blocks these so if you need one get it soon).
I just wanted to post this for people who thought they could not use their Xbox one or PS4 on a older TV, so yes, this is possible !!!!!
Just a FYI for anyone running into this issue...
- 09-21-2013, 12:11 PM #2
It a bit expensive won't it be cheaper to just buy a new TV as an long time investment or I think you can get TV or monitors for the same price with HDMI port.
However it a good solution for those that don't want to get a new TV.
- 09-21-2013, 03:22 PM #3
So with CES being in January, and from the years of watching A/V gear, I can tell you the retailers need new tvs to push and 3D is pretty much dead from a new TV sales point (no one is going to get rid of a 1080p tv to upgrade to get 3-D) but, people might make the jump for double the res. 4K tvs are the answer for a slowing TV sales marketplace and a $6K for a large screen wont sell a ton of them.
Also the fact that Sony and Microsoft BOTH said that their systems will support 4K, it really sees to me, to just hold tight for another 6-8 months.
I got mine for $90 (for the HDfury 2) and it will put the Band-Aid on this problem for now. I plan on upgrading everything I have to HDMI cables even switch boxes so I can be 100% ready when I am ready to buy a new tv. This adapter will allow me to do this and with a better picture. For $90 ? I think it's totally worth it... I guess everyone has their a different thought here.
BUT, if you were in a case where you have a perfectly working TV but, can't afford to spend $500+ on a good 40-50" 1080p set, this would help for people in this case...
Just wanted to help people who are worried or don't even know about this....
HDCP is evil, another case of DRM making honest people have to feel like crooks just to use the content/devices that they paid for...
- 09-21-2013, 03:27 PM #4
SONY 4K tv looked good had external speakers which were 5.1 surround sound, 3D etc.
I'm planning on getting an 3D tv because I really enjoy watching 3D and to go with the PS4.
However thanks for letting people know there is a alternative for this issue!
- 09-21-2013, 03:36 PM #5
For 3D, if you get a 1080P TV and you watch 3-D, you will only see 720p on 3-D because of the 3-D but, with a 4K tv, you will get TRUE 1080p 3D ! ! ! More reason to want to wait a while :)
- 09-21-2013, 03:47 PM #6
- 09-21-2013, 04:05 PM #7
I need help with something similar but a audio problem.
Ok I go to my cousins house every week, and bring my 360 there. He has a monitor with a built in speaker and I use the audio adaptor, with left and right audio cables which are connected to another adaptor (3.5mm jack) which goes into the monitor and gives me audio. Now the Xbox one will only have HDMI and optical audio, what can I do to get audio through the monitor?
Ps I also bought a digital to analog converter which uses the optical audio, but it doesn't work (white plug makes a screeching noise, red doesn't make a noise at all)
- 09-22-2013, 12:36 PM #8
You might be feeding 5.1 audio stream into that device that only supports 2.0 audio (L and R), causing the noise your getting. GO into your xbox 360's main settings menu and adjust it to 2.0 audio and not 5.1 (default I believe). Your better off just using the Microsoft cable that has L/R audio out. What type of video are you using ?
The question that comes up is what level Microsoft or Sony will do HDCP, will they do it on games or just protected content (streaming videos, HBO etc) ? Because of breaking or stripping off HDCP is a questionable legal side (your breaking copy protection, like ripping a Blu-ray or something). If Microsoft and Sony do not use HDCP for gaming (and current gen they don't, sony does for Blu-ray), then you will find affordable adapters to allow these systems to be added to any TV, even that old 13" if you wanted to (with the limits of what you cant do)but, if they force you to use HDCP on gaming, then this will be the ONLY device that will allow this and it's only for HD TVs (Component HD or RGB/VGA)
- 09-30-2013, 09:38 AM #13
Some of those converters dont down convert 5.1 to 2.0, so a better one would be able to do that but, then you miss information (5.1 breaks audio up, so the L/R dont get all the information that they would in stereo because it spreads it out to the center and rears)
- 12-04-2013, 03:50 PM #14
So, do we need to spend $180 for the Fury converter? Or will this $30 version do the same job? I need to get from the Xbox One to an (older) VGA projector for occasional usage when we have multiple Xbox One's at the house.
Amazon.com: HDMI to VGA converter with R/L Audio Converter: Electronics
- 12-04-2013, 04:19 PM #15
You also have to worry if your projector can display 480p, 720p or 1080p (it does not support any interlaced displays). If it can not, you need a scaler to change it to a compatable format. If you projector will convert them,then you should be fine.
See my thread, because my TV only supported 1080i, so I needed to get a scaler for it to work...Ugh...
- 12-04-2013, 05:30 PM #16
Well, it'll only be used for games, not going to be used for movies or other content.
Projector is a Epson 703c supports resolutions 1024x768 or 1600x1200, and is currently used for the Xbox 360 which works in 720p mode just fine. I do not claim to be a home theater expert, but if it works with the 360, shouldn't it work with the One?
- 12-04-2013, 05:42 PM #17
The only thnig is HDCP you really would have to worry about. VGA is analog. So you are taking a digital signal that is protected by HDCP security and converting it in to analog. If a devices says it will work with HDCP, it means it supports the security, so it will give you a blank/black image when something is using HDCP. I can't honestly say if games are using HDCP on Xbox one, I heard yes and others no. With the little bugs(audio, video, etc) I have seen on the Xbox one, I would think it could effect you in some way.
You can try the $30 adapter, it might work for you BUT, if you run into a blank screen, it would be HDCP that would be causing it. The HDfury 1 is $99 at hdfury.com and that would do what you need here and not have to worry about HDCP.
That would be my only worry here, as people have said they are using HDCP on games...
- 12-04-2013, 08:22 PM #18
Wouldn't I need the Fury II Basic Kit? HDMI to VGA with the audio split out?
Here's the projector...its an old one now, but its a high quality, made in Japan projector and I'd like to keep using it.
We use it to play xbox outside on the house on weekends during the summer...lots of fun! (The lines are from the siding...after about 5 mins of playing, your eyes/brain don't see them anymore.)
Last edited by dorelse; 12-04-2013 at 08:43 PM.
- 12-05-2013, 11:54 AM #21
The HDfury would solve your HDCP problems with the VGA in but, it does not do audio as I remember (and you will need a DVI to HDMI adapter). This is the cheapest route for you (I think it's $99). The HDfury 2 would do that as well with analog/2.0 digital audio (with a hack, it can output 5.1). If you want to pull the Audio from HDMI and just put it in your projector or speakers, then the HDfury 2 is what you want (unless you plan on pulling it directy from the Xbox one). Just remember when you setup your Xbox one or 360, set the audio to Stereo (2.0) as you might not get anything if you push 5.1 down the HDMI.
You also get to be able to use Component video out of the HDfury2 (VGA or component, there is a switch), that the HDfury CAN NOT DO.
Check on ebay, there was a few HDfury2's on there, you might be able to get a deal on one...
BTW, I also have a 720p older projector, I do the side of the house thing too, in the summer we have a movie night with some friends but, after the movie is over, it's all about the games :)
- 12-05-2013, 04:07 PM #23
Last edited by Polychrome; 12-05-2013 at 04:18 PM.
12-08-2013, 08:20 AM #25
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have connected my ps4 to non hdmi projector (acer x110p) with the followint cables: hdmi to vga adapter (link below) and a standard vga cable. All i had to do was set the resolution of the ps4 to 720p and connect cables to projector it worked perfectly, took sound from optical port on ps4 and i was ready to go that simply. Cost me the price of the adapter and standard vga cable that i had lying around.
Hdmi Male TO VGA Female RGB HDTV Cable Converter Adapter 1080P Black Xbox 360 AV | eBay
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