1. NaNoo123's Avatar
    Is this the best time to start talking about things like this?
    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/0...te-with-kinect

    Not saying they should lie but, maybe get across the things that aren't so contentious, and what gamers want etc?
    07-05-2013 01:54 PM
  2. Curtieson's Avatar
    You have something against Bengay? Or you just realized that the Xbox is supposed to make money for Microsoft?

    "I can't stand advertisements on things that I pay for...that is why everyone refuses to pay for cable, to read magazines, and to drive on highways littered with billboards"
    07-05-2013 02:20 PM
  3. NaNoo123's Avatar
    Don't get what your saying here, and did try to.
    Maybe you never understood my post or something
    07-05-2013 02:32 PM
  4. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    You have something against Bengay? Or you just realized that the Xbox is supposed to make money for Microsoft?

    "I can't stand advertisements on things that I pay for...that is why everyone refuses to pay for cable, to read magazines, and to drive on highways littered with billboards"
    Not really a fair comparison. Microsoft can stay afloat without the massive advertisement stuff. Cable TV isn't profitable without advertisements (even if they are overkill in their quantity). In this instance, you are purchasing the hardware and paying for the software (Xbox LIVE Gold subscription). Such things typically do not come with ads (subscriptions on forums and paying for apps often means a removal of ads). That we're paying for the service AND getting ads, when competing platforms do not offer this, is different than the situation with TV providers.

    Seriously, what is the upside to this console? It's like they're TRYING to devalue the brand or something, because all I keep seeing is announcements of the negatives with the thing. I don't see Microsoft giving interviews about the positives.
    07-05-2013 03:32 PM
  5. NaNoo123's Avatar
    It's like they're TRYING to devalue the brand or something, because all I keep seeing is announcements of the negatives with the thing. I don't see Microsoft giving interviews about the positives.
    this was my main point of the post.

    I didn't understand what their point was but, i understood your reply so I'll go based on that.

    if he was saying i think its bad, or wrong then i never said that. Don't have a particular view on it at moment.

    My point is that at best it's very contentious. Especially when there's the fear of snooping, and kinect watching you regardless of how valid or not it may be.

    Why aren't they pushing and talking about the things that everyone can get behind?
    07-05-2013 04:07 PM
  6. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I think this kind of kills any speculation on whether or not the Kinect will spy on you, in my opinion. When you say "Kinect will be used for advertising," that tells me things like voice collection will occur. That, or it might mean it'll save who you are, then pick "preferred" ads for you when you log in. Basically, it'll keep track of who is logged in, tell that to Microsoft, and have them pick potentially-relevant ads. I don't like that one bit, and it's part of why I've made the statement that I'd legitimately wrap my Kinect in foil.
    07-05-2013 05:04 PM
  7. NaNoo123's Avatar
    At least it can be switched off, but given add targeting etc, i would also think different levels of on/participation opt in would be good.

    Given all the negative press, i just find it hard to believe this is the sort of things their discussing.
    Like i said, I'm not saying they should lie but at least attempt to move discussion onto positive things like games, about how they talked to developers, plans for indie, how cloud/cost of hosting will make a big difference, whatever.
    Try to affect the narrative for the better.
    07-05-2013 07:14 PM
  8. curseoftheninja's Avatar
    When you say "Kinect will be used for advertising," that tells me things like voice collection will occur.
    Did you read the article? It says that they don't collect data. It sounds like the advertising will be interactive, like using voice commands and gestures in the actual advertisement.

    From the article: "whereas, from the advertising point of view, we have a slightly more limited set, which is designed to protect the user. The company is very keen on protecting the user from any sort of abuse, so we cant do certain things.

    That, or it might mean it'll save who you are, then pick "preferred" ads for you when you log in. Basically, it'll keep track of who is logged in, tell that to Microsoft, and have them pick potentially-relevant ads.
    Facebook, gmail, and many other websites already do this. They keep track of what you click on in order to better target advertising.
    07-06-2013 09:52 AM
  9. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Did you read the article? It says that they don't collect data. It sounds like the advertising will be interactive, like using voice commands and gestures in the actual advertisement.

    From the article: "whereas, from the advertising point of view, we have a slightly more limited set, which is designed to protect the user. The company is very keen on protecting the user from any sort of abuse, so we can’t do certain things.”


    Facebook, gmail, and many other websites already do this. They keep track of what you click on in order to better target advertising.
    Yeah, they're "protecting the customer," until a big check gets flashed at them. I have 0 faith in a company to protect my privacy when money becomes a real factor.

    As for that second statement: That is why you'll find nothing but my name and birth date on my Facebook account. It's also why I gave up Android, have nothing to do with making a Google account, and use no Google-owned services (no more Android and never used GMail, and deleted Chrome shortly after first installing it) except YouTube, when necessary.
    07-06-2013 12:57 PM
  10. smoledman's Avatar
    It's like Microsoft marketing is trying to ruin the company as fast as possible.
    07-06-2013 03:30 PM
  11. curseoftheninja's Avatar
    As for that second statement: That is why you'll find nothing but my name and birth date on my Facebook account. It's also why I gave up Android, have nothing to do with making a Google account, and use no Google-owned services (no more Android and never used GMail, and deleted Chrome shortly after first installing it) except YouTube, when necessary.
    Well, at least you're consistent!
    07-06-2013 03:41 PM
  12. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Well, at least you're consistent!
    Oh, yeah. I spread my paranoia with reckless abandon.
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    07-06-2013 07:00 PM
  13. Ridemyscooter86's Avatar
    1st, I never have liked ARS Technica as I find many of their articles extremely biased, same with most tech blogs though ;(. In any case, I'm sure they will advertise on it, and I'm sure PS4 will do the exact same thing.

    I will say though, so far, MS PR for the Xbox one has been awful. Good thing they got rid on Mattrick as he clearly screwed up the launch of the product. I mean seriously, even though it is a little less powerful than the PS4, so was the 360, so that wouldn't have made much of a difference. Personally, I liked the older DRM system they had because thye were basically trying to do a steam-like model for the store, and as a steam user, I Liked it. The problem was that 1) I don't think console gamers were ready for it, its clearly a different market than PC gamers so they should have attacked it differently, and 2) the PR was awful. I personally don't see the xbox having to be connected to the internet as an issue as mine is always connected to it anyways, but then to go and say "well you can buy an Xbox 360" as an answer was awful PR.

    Hopefully if they play their cards right, they might be able to do well, but MS main weakness, still, is marketing...
    07-08-2013 08:00 AM
  14. pechio's Avatar
    Oh, yeah. I spread my paranoia with reckless abandon.
    It's not paranoia Is Your Cable Box Spying On You? Behavior-Detecting Devices From Verizon, Microsoft And Others Worry Privacy Advocates
    07-27-2013 11:11 AM
  15. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I didn't say that I considered my paranoia unwarranted or unbelievable.
    07-28-2013 07:19 PM
  16. TheSuperShoe's Avatar
    I'm really hoping that Microsoft is just getting the negative things out of the way first. Then near launch, just have good press. A "make them hate us for the bad stuff, let them forget, then drown them in good news" model.
    08-08-2013 11:29 AM
  17. Curtieson's Avatar
    They just threw in a free headset...that was something they said wouldn't be included earlier ($5, yeah! haha)
    08-08-2013 01:57 PM
  18. michfan's Avatar
    I'm really hoping that Microsoft is just getting the negative things out of the way first. Then near launch, just have good press. A "make them hate us for the bad stuff, let them forget, then drown them in good news" model.
    I thinks it's been more about getting the bad executives out of the way first.
    08-08-2013 08:49 PM
  19. smoledman's Avatar
    As long as the ads aren't in my face and forced to be there for like 30-60 seconds(Hulu Damn you!), I don't care.
    08-09-2013 12:56 AM
  20. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    The reason I care is how Microsoft is charging people more and putting little inconveniences everywhere. We have to buy the Kinect, making the console $100 more than the PS4. The controllers are going up $10. The Play & Charge is going up $5. The generic headset is going up $5 (when purchased separately). They put EVERYTHING behind the Xbox LIVE Gold paywall, which is also $10 more than PSN+. On top of charging their customers more than the competition, they then have to litter their nice-looking dashboard with ads to boot? Now they're using the Kinect to shoot ads at us?

    This is the kind of stuff you expect from Facebook. It's also the kind of stuff people get mad at Facebook for.
    08-09-2013 12:04 PM

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