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  1. Lumious's Avatar
    AT&T requires Band 17 for LTE (US), so this is a no-go. Same reason the 650 won't work on AT&T, grrrrr.
    The 650 wont work on ATT? Thats weird because i own a 650 and have ATT. Of course the 650 works on AT&T, a lot of people who have 650s in the US i guarantee they have ATT.
    11-02-2016 03:31 PM
  2. Lumious's Avatar
    Eyeing it definitely. I'm on Tmobile as well. Currently using a Note 4 for my work apps but have had many Lumias. Still have an 830 and 640. My main concern is how much better of an experience will that 820 give over the 400 in Windows 10 Mobile, and will it significantly be better than the 808/810 on the 950/XL....
    The 810 is fine on the 950 XL i dont know why people complain so much about it. Its fine, gets a little warm but so what all my phones have/do.
    11-02-2016 03:33 PM
  3. TheJoester09's Avatar
    I'm really happy with my 950XL on T-Mobile, but if the reviews on this are good I might take the plunge. It would be nice to have wifi calling.
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    11-02-2016 03:54 PM
  4. patcherd's Avatar
    Having a 950 now for a couple of weeks, I will wait for a review of this phone before I decide if it's worth getting.

    I have to say this phone looks very nice and has some very impressive specs, I just hope it will do well. Time will tell.
    11-02-2016 04:21 PM
  5. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    I may do something I've never done before. Buy an electronic device on the first day it's released. I usually wait until it's been available for about a month.
    Can go either way. I bought L640s for 3 family members the first day and they have been great. I pre-ordered 2 L950XLs and they were disasters but MS gave full refunds.
    libra89 likes this.
    11-02-2016 04:53 PM
  6. Witness's Avatar
    I'm interested, but it's hard to even think about buying it since my 950XL isn't even a year old yet.
    11-02-2016 05:39 PM
  7. Krystianpants's Avatar
    my bro has a 925 he wants to upgrade and refuses to go iphone/android. So he's sort of stuck waiting it out. If this lands in Canada he will likely buy it. Are the dimensions the same as the android one? If so at least the accessories will all fit.
    11-02-2016 06:22 PM
  8. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Are the dimensions the same as the android one? If so at least the accessories will all fit.
    Pretty sure physically the same. several articles that discuss the differences state that it is externally identical other than screen resolution. None mentioned any physical differences.
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    11-02-2016 06:50 PM
  9. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    I have an interest in this BIG TIME !!! Being in Canada, and on Wind Mobile, if the phone has 1700 and 2100 Mhz it works , but I can't keep it straight what bands match to what Freq. I have already asked my friend in NY to be ready to hit the Tmo store for me and ship it here if indeed it is unlocked.

    I am just now starting to pester Alcatel to find out if they are going to bring their Smartwatches in line with Windows 10 for Mobile, however that may require Bluetooth Gatt support in a Windows 10 build, but I am also in hopes this is already covered with something I saw on the Tmo site.....

    Under Bluetooth is OPP ( Object Push )
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    However no matter what if I can get an Alcatel Onetouch Watch and a Onetouch Go Watch to work with an Idol 4S I'm in Big Time !!!!!
    libra89 and Indistinguishable like this.
    11-02-2016 09:28 PM
  10. IIDXholic's Avatar
    I worried about the availability of the phone a couple of months out. Remember the 640?
    RumoredNow likes this.
    11-03-2016 08:28 AM
  11. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    I worried about the availability of the phone a couple of months out. Remember the 640?
    I have mixed feelings. That was bad for MS but great for us. I must have given away a dozen unlocked L640s when I picked them up for ~$10 each. You could get an AT&T L640 for $79 with a one year Office365 license that sold separately for $69. Gave the phones to fence setters and sold some of the Office365 licenses and kept several for my own use since they never expire. And the phones could immediately be unlocked due to a quirk in AT&T practices.

    I have a feeling that even Alcatel is smarter than MS when it comes to phone sales projections so maybe that won't happen with these.
    11-03-2016 09:56 AM
  12. Asif Shadab Malick's Avatar
    Only if it were available here in India somehow...
    11-03-2016 10:32 AM
  13. RSB54's Avatar
    I thought AT&T was phasing out 17?
    You may be right, would be good to confirm. I was using an old WC post on phones & carriers & bands which said Bands 2/4/17, but maybe that is old and not updated. Just now referenced a site called WillMyPhoneWork.net and it shows the Alcatel Idol 4s model 6070O as compatible using Band 12.
    this is still bigger than I want but may have to consider it just 'cause my L635 is on its last leg (and not W10)
    11-03-2016 11:24 AM
  14. RSB54's Avatar
    The 650 wont work on ATT? Thats weird because i own a 650 and have ATT. Of course the 650 works on AT&T, a lot of people who have 650s in the US i guarantee they have ATT.
    I don't have a 650, but looked it up on GSM Arena and bands don't match up. I am only speaking of LTE (would not get a phone without that speed). According to them the 650 Dual Sim has Bands 1/3/7/8/20, not Band 17 or Band 12. this is all more complex than it should be!
    11-03-2016 11:35 AM
  15. RumoredNow's Avatar
    You may be right, would be good to confirm. I was using an old WC post on phones & carriers & bands which said Bands 2/4/17, but maybe that is old and not updated. Just now referenced a site called WillMyPhoneWork.net and it shows the Alcatel Idol 4s model 6070O as compatible using Band 12.
    this is still bigger than I want but may have to consider it just 'cause my L635 is on its last leg (and not W10)
    I don't have a 650, but looked it up on GSM Arena and bands don't match up. I am only speaking of LTE (would not get a phone without that speed). According to them the 650 Dual Sim has Bands 1/3/7/8/20, not Band 17 or Band 12. this is all more complex than it should be!

    AT&T is doing Band 12... See also: AT&T Caves On 700 Band Interoperability (Phone Scoop)

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    Lumia 650 for the Americas has Bands 2/4/5/7/12/28: http://forums.windowscentral.com/mic...-features.html
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    11-03-2016 11:51 AM
  16. anthonyng's Avatar
    I'm from Canada an eyeing this definitely but no reason to get it at it this time :( I have the 950xl, my wife the 950.... my mom 640.... like this phone is too much phone for my mom and even my wife lol.

    Between this and X3, a couple very interesting choices in the higher end!

    Can't wait to see where Wharton Brooks fits in...
    11-03-2016 11:56 AM
  17. mhc48's Avatar
    I'm very interested. I've been switching back and forth constantly between my old 930 and a 650. The 930 has Hey Cortana and better camera, but no Glance or Wallet which the 650 does. And it's heavier. If the Alcatel supports Glance, Wallet and Hey Cortana, with 21 mp camera, it could be a winner for me. (It would be really great if it also worked on my Qi charger). Earlier in the year I switched from AT&T to Cricket no contract, so this would be an easy switch for me.
    11-03-2016 01:07 PM
  18. dorelse's Avatar
    I tried to pre-order, but t-mobile wasn't ready when I called. Obviously we now have the benefit of Dan being able to review the phone, so I'll be waiting for that, but yes, I'm sure I'll order it.
    libra89 likes this.
    11-03-2016 01:51 PM
  19. joshcaleb27's Avatar
    If somehow i can get this on AT&T then I will buy one.

    It also begs the question what content is available in VR? Is there actual VR stuff in the Windows Store right now, what purpose would this serve exactly? And if there is can i use my 950 XL with VR as it is with a VR headset? soooo many questions....
    The phone comes unlocked.
    11-04-2016 09:11 PM
  20. klewis2046's Avatar
    I will definitely be buying!! Been with T-Mobile for a while now going from the 635 to 640 so the Alcatel Idol 4S with its mega specs will be an upgrade. Been waiting for a phone like this from the carrier for a while and glade my patience is good. It was pretty irritating that the 640 never got the Windows 10 update so the Alcatel Idol 4S although delayed came at a good time. It's going to be nice using Windows 10 mobile and PC with UWP with some apps.
    joshcaleb27 and NYCMetsPDX like this.
    11-04-2016 09:27 PM
  21. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Definitely eyeing this. I don't care for the VR so would love a cheaper option without the VR headset??

    I'm from the Caribbean so I really hope this is unlocked and compatible. It will be a definite and much needed upgrade from my Lumia 640. I'll be flying to NY on the 17NOV so hoping I can pop into a T-Mobile store and pick one up. MY CREDIT CARD IS READY.

    My biggest concern though is... Support.. Will Alcatel be pushing firmware updates regularly for this device? HP has already pushed out a couple for the X3 and that is the kind of support I would hope we get with the Idol.
    libra89 and RaRa85 like this.
    11-05-2016 01:39 AM
  22. mark233's Avatar
    11-05-2016 03:08 PM
  23. RaRa85's Avatar
    I really want to get this phone but I can't see myself leaving Android to go back to Windows 10 Mobile right now. I was already using Windows Phone since it pretty much came out for four years and restructuring when going from WP7.8 to WP8. Lastly at least one major must have, and it's a must have since I make money using it, is missing and that's the Uber Partner app. If the Windows ecosystem gets that app I would at least consider using it full time.

    I have been crying for years that T-Mobile(and other carriers outside of AT&T) have not gotten the best phones available be it the Lumia 920, 1020(which I still have), 1520 and the most recent 950. I would probably still be using Windows Phone if the last batch of those phones were available on T-Mobile when Microsoft cancelled the McLaren phone. But now that I've been exposed to a truly rich app ecosystem and Windows Phone had lost most of its charm(the beautiful and smartly integrated hubs), I find it more of a compromise to return to Windows and I still plan to. I need to see more from Microsoft in terms of app porting and features in the OS.

    I really hope fans jump on this phone and buy it though. I'm still debating on if I'll get it and get a cheap Android device to solve some of the missing app problems.
    Last edited by RaRa85; 11-05-2016 at 07:11 PM.
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    11-05-2016 05:45 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Definitely eyeing this. I don't care for the VR so would love a cheaper option without the VR headset??

    I'm from the Caribbean so I really hope this is unlocked and compatible. It will be a definite and much needed upgrade from my Lumia 640. I'll be flying to NY on the 17NOV so hoping I can pop into a T-Mobile store and pick one up. MY CREDIT CARD IS READY.

    My biggest concern though is... Support.. Will Alcatel be pushing firmware updates regularly for this device? HP has already pushed out a couple for the X3 and that is the kind of support I would hope we get with the Idol.
    As the previous owner of the Fierce XL for Windows, I can vouch for Alcatel's updating. I received every available update including the Anniversary Update and into 14393.321.....in spite of T-Mobile. I don't think updates will be an issue.
    11-05-2016 07:19 PM
  25. Lumious's Avatar
    I'm very interested. I've been switching back and forth constantly between my old 930 and a 650. The 930 has Hey Cortana and better camera, but no Glance or Wallet which the 650 does. And it's heavier. If the Alcatel supports Glance, Wallet and Hey Cortana, with 21 mp camera, it could be a winner for me. (It would be really great if it also worked on my Qi charger). Earlier in the year I switched from AT&T to Cricket no contract, so this would be an easy switch for me.
    This phone will not support Wallet in the sense i think you are referring to, which is Tap To Pay. There is no NFC chip in this phone or Qi. So no tap to pay. You can of course download wallet on any Windows Phone out there and just use it for points, rewards, benefit cards but not paying with the wallet.

    I have a 950 XL plus 4 other windows phones which i love all of them (except the 822 which is absolutely horrid on Windows 10 Mobile). This will be my first non lumia phone since the HTC Trophy. It's a great deal and an awesome speced phone for the price. The only reason i didnt buy the Elite was because its super high (but justified) price tag and the fact that i think its too big, the 950 XL at 5.7" is pushing it, i cant image a phone with a 5.96" screen. 5.5" sounds nice and the VR concept looks cool. Can't wait to buy it tomorrow.
    11-05-2016 08:24 PM
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