The Windows 10 April 2018 update has arrived! Get the new Dell XPS 15, starting at $999.99
11-12-2016 02:59 PM
41 12
tools
  1. IM4CHRST's Avatar
    Okay so aside from the fingerprint scanner and front facing speaker, what is there that should make this phone better than the 950XL. Obviously the SD820 hasn't been impressing people in the Elite X3 so that isn't a good response, and I assume HP is giving better support than Alcatel will be since this is simply a repackaged android phone. My main gripe with the X3 is the camera so it is out based on price, but what about the 4S? The camera is a key feature for me so what are people's opinions?
    11-03-2016 04:15 PM
  2. zocster's Avatar
    I'd go for a 4S, I am a 950XL owner, that 4S looks yum. I rather fingerprint vs iris anyway.
    libra89, Timbre70 and ttsoldier like this.
    11-03-2016 04:42 PM
  3. eddieDOTexe's Avatar
    this also has more RAM than the 950 if I'm not mistaken.
    11-03-2016 05:25 PM
  4. Timbre70's Avatar
    4S for a change.
    11-03-2016 05:45 PM
  5. libra89's Avatar
    Also, the speakers are excellent (and front facing if you care about that)!
    11-03-2016 08:21 PM
  6. jasqid's Avatar
    and doesn't the sd820 fix the heat problem I read about on the 950
    11-03-2016 08:52 PM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The Idol will be packing the Sony IMX230 sensor which is a very capable module.
    RumoredNow and aximtreo like this.
    11-03-2016 09:18 PM
  8. Loc Ngo's Avatar
    Taking photos is my first priority so 950XL for me but the Idol is surely mouth-watering.
    11-03-2016 09:42 PM
  9. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    and doesn't the sd820 fix the heat problem I read about on the 950
    The 950 XL comes with SD 810
    11-03-2016 11:02 PM
  10. Roderick Aspiras's Avatar
    Go for the idol. it's the latest and greatest windows mobile 10 to date. Plus the price is right Better build quality and probably acceptable camera output. Fingerprint reader and 1080p screen is a good deal considering it wont eat up battery. You cant go wrong with billy idol.
    pedrojustice likes this.
    11-04-2016 08:39 AM
  11. IM4CHRST's Avatar
    I have a shared concern with a lot of people though, I'm on cricket and this thing may be purely set up for T-Mo. I don't really feel like switching to T-Mo just to get the phone. It isn't out of the question but just prefer not to.
    aximtreo likes this.
    11-04-2016 11:29 AM
  12. IM4CHRST's Avatar
    Well it apparently works on AT&T, but Dan's comments about the camera and the samples he took make me wonder what about this phone would make it preferable over the X3. $470 Yes is nice, to get a more usable dock would cost $100-$150 and for a couple hundred more I would get a good dock, water proofing, and a bigger battery. Plus HP has already shown they are standing behind this phone with two very quick firmware updates. That peace of mind almost seems worth a little bit more.
    aximtreo and realwarder like this.
    11-04-2016 01:25 PM
  13. editguy's Avatar
    I thought the picture samples looked quite good. I am concerned about whether or not it has a stabilizer. No stabilizer would be a deal breaker for me.
    11-04-2016 02:02 PM
  14. tale 85's Avatar
    You've probably already heard but Rubino is testing this with a AT&T Sim. We thinks it's unlocked.
    aximtreo and libra89 like this.
    11-04-2016 02:10 PM
  15. libra89's Avatar
    I think it is too!
    11-04-2016 02:15 PM
  16. aximtreo's Avatar
    Also, the speakers are excellent (and front facing if you care about that)!
    Congrats on the Ambassador. You earned it; keep the opinions coming.
    RumoredNow likes this.
    11-04-2016 03:51 PM
  17. libra89's Avatar
    Congrats on the Ambassador. You earned it; keep the opinions coming.
    Aww thank you, you're so kind!
    HoosierDaddy likes this.
    11-04-2016 04:07 PM
  18. beman39's Avatar
    Okay so aside from the fingerprint scanner and front facing speaker, what is there that should make this phone better than the 950XL. Obviously the SD820 hasn't been impressing people in the Elite X3 so that isn't a good response, and I assume HP is giving better support than Alcatel will be since this is simply a repackaged android phone. My main gripe with the X3 is the camera so it is out based on price, but what about the 4S? The camera is a key feature for me so what are people's opinions?
    the reason why the SD820 isn't impressing anyone is because the software isn't optimized for the SD820... but after a few more updates from HP and it will be much better/faster and then people will be impressed...
    anon(9385145) likes this.
    11-04-2016 06:05 PM
  19. ttsoldier's Avatar
    The question is if alcatel will be supporting the device...... Who knows when we will see a firmware update from them...

    I really would not mind picking up the Idol as an upgrade from my 640 but.... my question above has me pondering.
    11-05-2016 01:30 AM
  20. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Idol 4s would have been my choice because of the snapdragon 820. The camera seems good enough. Lumia 950xl has one of the best cameras sure but does that really matter that much? We aren't professionals. You look at an iphone 6s photo it looks good, you look at a samsung photo it looks good. You only really know which camera is better if you compare side by side.
    The specs that sites are showing don't seem to be listing NFC (though the android version has it so it just may be windows sites leaving it out?). And seems MS is updating their wallet app with more banks. Granted here in Canada our debit cards support tap to pay but they are limited to 100 dollars due to no authentication occurring of any kind. So you lose your card anyone can just tap to pay for things before you realize.
    If tap to pay is something you may want in the future then I would investigate further to see if NFC really is missing. Otherwise go with the alcatel. Honestly the 950xl is great but it is a battery hog and the 810 chip can only do so much. It was plagued by issues of heat and throttling. Ms has done a marvelous job with it but no phone can get it tamed perfectly.


    The question is if alcatel will be supporting the device...... Who knows when we will see a firmware update from them...

    I really would not mind picking up the Idol as an upgrade from my 640 but.... my question above has me pondering.
    If the device is great out of the box with no issues that would require firmware update then go for it. Not getting firmware updates isn't a big deal if the firmware is done well from the start. HP had some troubles but they are new to the phone business, Alcatel isn't.
    11-05-2016 07:56 AM
  21. realwarder's Avatar
    If camera is a key feature then you want the 950XL.

    Yes, this is a little faster and has a fingerprint reader over the XL, but the XL camera is significantly better and has NFC for payment potential (although limited bank currently).

    The XL case is poor though. Get a nice Mozo case and then the XL feels more premium.

    Where I really think the XL camera shines is in lower light (like indoor shots) and video - you can zoom way in on it and it's pretty amazing. Best of any phone I've seen. The OIS works well with digital stabilization to provide a nice video from quite a way back.

    Saying that, if you are going to use Continuum a lot, then the Idol is probably the better choice as performance should be a little smoother. And having the fingerprint reader is a big plus. I don't use the face scanner on the XL because typing a pin is quicker for me. Fingerprint readers are definitely the way to go on that front.

    On the camera front, XL. For most other aspects, the Idol.
    11-05-2016 10:44 AM
  22. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Okay so aside from the fingerprint scanner and front facing speaker, what is there that should make this phone better than the 950XL. Obviously the SD820 hasn't been impressing people in the Elite X3 so that isn't a good response, and I assume HP is giving better support than Alcatel will be since this is simply a repackaged android phone. My main gripe with the X3 is the camera so it is out based on price, but what about the 4S? The camera is a key feature for me so what are people's opinions?
    Better battery life, more RAM, nicer looking display (2.5D glass), front facing stereo speakers, fingerprint reader, and just a nicer looking phone, Wi-Fi Calling (T-Mo).

    Things you lose: Qi, NFC/Tap to pay, Iris scanner, better camera.
    libra89 and ttsoldier like this.
    11-07-2016 11:07 AM
  23. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    The question is if alcatel will be supporting the device...... Who knows when we will see a firmware update from them...
    I see no obvious reason why it needs new firmware. I think many of you just lump 'put magic things and improvements' into firmware. OS updates are much more important and relevant bar any existing hardware issues.
    11-07-2016 11:09 AM
  24. Bob Hanson's Avatar
    I see no obvious reason why it needs new firmware. I think many of you just lump 'put magic things and improvements' into firmware. OS updates are much more important and relevant bar any existing hardware issues.
    Only "magical" improvement might be if NFC is available in hardware but not currently enabled via firmware.
    11-07-2016 12:18 PM
  25. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Only "magical" improvement might be if NFC is available in hardware but not currently enabled via firmware.
    In theory, sure. I see no reason why that would be the case, however. I'll ask Alcatel directly, but if they're not listing NFC on the spec sheet I see no reason why something that simple would be turned on later. Fingerprint reader requires AU/RS1, making that an exception for the Elite x3. NFC though is pretty basic.

    Edit: Alcatel says no NFC. Firmware won't change that.
    Last edited by Daniel Rubino; 11-07-2016 at 01:55 PM.
    ttsoldier, RumoredNow and Sedp23 like this.
    11-07-2016 01:38 PM
41 12

Similar Threads

  1. panorama function 950xl
    By edkaufmann in forum Microsoft Lumia 950 XL
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 06-27-2017, 04:22 PM
  2. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 11-10-2016, 02:05 PM
  3. Buy Lumia 950 or wait for Surface Phone
    By suhail sulu in forum Windows 10 Mobile
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 11-04-2016, 07:51 PM
  4. Alcatel Idol 4S ships with 'double tap to wake' and 'glove mode' options
    By WindowsCentral.com in forum Windows Central News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 11-03-2016, 09:42 AM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 11-02-2016, 10:13 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD