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  1. Chubbynaga's Avatar
    4k video sample. I also extracted a photo from the video and it looks good.wp_20170312_17_10_01_moment.jpg
    03-12-2017 10:00 PM
  2. Snoops8's Avatar
    So far........
    *Battery life is unchanged.
    *Camera is obviously improved.
    *Continuum is flaky when used wirelessly (wired works perfectly). The issue is that it doesn't disconnect unless you physically remove the wireless adapter from the monitor. But when you go to Settings>Devices, it still shows connected and not even a reset changes this. I had to remove the adapter from the list but it's not a real issue because I use an HDMI cable anyway.
    *Do not use after the update until you've made sure the Store app is updated. It makes the apps unresponsive (big time).
    *WiFi is spotty but I'm not discounting Xfinity just yet because my PCs have been quirky since yesterday too. Timing might be a coincidence.

    Other than those few quirks, it seems a little quicker loading apps. Facebook notwithstanding ugh!!!! The new settings layout is really welcome and we now have the option to reset individual apps (clearing of cache). This is not new for me since BlackBerry OS10 has had this for some time. I'll give it a few days to settle and wait for more app updates before rendering a final verdict. Right now, all seems to be pointing upward.
    I am interested in the Alcatel Idol 4s. You mentioned that the camera was significantly improved with an insider build update; does that mean that with the upcoming "creator's update" for windows 10 mobile, that the camera performance is likely to improve as well? How do you think the camera now compares to the 950 then?

    I currently don't have a Win 10 phone, but am I correct in understanding that certain apps like Proshot can save a raw file to be edited later on a computer? And can use the phone as a USB drive to more easily remove the files? My last experience is on an HTC Radar (7.5) which I actually still sometimes use.

    Thanks!
    03-19-2017 01:04 AM
  3. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I currently don't have a Win 10 phone, but am I correct in understanding that certain apps like Proshot can save a raw file to be edited later on a computer? And can use the phone as a USB drive to more easily remove the files? My last experience is on an HTC Radar (7.5) which I actually still sometimes use.
    The new for W10M ProShot App (named just Proshot, where the old WP 8.1 App has been redubbed ProShot Classic) has a feature where you can select capture (sensor) mode and save (file) mode. The new ProShot is UWP as well. It also feature "Light Painting" settings which it never had in 8.1.

    You can capture as RAW at the sensor and save as TIFF for a file. I find that there is a lot of "editability" in the TIFF files and they are satisfyingly large (indicating they have a wealth of data). You can also capture as JPG and file as JPG. So RAW > TIFF, RAW > JPG, JPG > TIFF and JPG > JPG are your possible combinations.

    Have a look here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41321715

    Additionally, I find file browsing when connected to PC a pleasure. It just works. If you have a W10 PC you can use Cortana to xfer the last picture in Camera Roll easily. Open Cortana on the phone and tell her "Send this picture to my computer" and it just sends it over.
    Last edited by RumoredNow; 03-20-2017 at 07:40 PM. Reason: typo monkey
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    03-20-2017 03:16 PM
  4. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I took these first two the other day...

    Microsoft Camera, auto settings.

    wp_20170318_07_10_17_pro.jpg

    I zoomed in all the way for this. Ran it through Polarr and bumped up Vibrance +32, Saturation +34. Then I denoised Luminance and Color by 60 each. -37 Expose and +41 Brightness. Closer to what my eye saw...

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    Took this today with Camera360 Sight.

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    Here it is all-in with "SuperCell" filter in Sight. I know I've said it before: I love the filter pack in Sight.

    sight_2017_03_20_153525_075.jpg


    I'm also finding out that Camera360 Sight crashes if I try and edit with filters and the pic is stored on SD. Works if they are in Internal Storage.
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    03-20-2017 03:56 PM
  5. Snoops8's Avatar
    The new for W10M ProShot App (named just Proshot, where the old WP 8.1 App has been redubbed ProShot Classic) has a feature where you can select capture (sensor) mode and save (ile) mode. The new ProShot is UWP as well. It also feature "Light Painting" settings which it never had in 8.1.

    You can capture as RAW at the sensor and save as TIFF for a file. I find that there is a lot of "editability" in the TIFF files and they are satisfyingly large (indicating they have a wealth of data). You can also capture as JPG and file as JPG. So RAW > TIFF, RAW > JPG, JPG > TIFF and JPG > JPG are your possible combinations.

    Have a look here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/41321715

    Additionally, I find file browsing when connected to PC a pleasure. It just works. If you have a W10 PC you can use Cortana to xfer the last picture in Camera Roll easily. Open Cortana on the phone and tell her "Send this picture to my computer" and it just sends it over.
    Thanks for the info!

    I'm familiar with raw formats on cameras, but this raw->jpg, jpg->tiff is a little confusing. Why save a jpg as tiff? Why not just raw->tiff? Because on the former you're just saving an image file that's already been compressed as a tiff file, so you start off losing info right from the start. And I don't know what to make of raw --> jpg and jpg-->jpg; sensor data is always raw and it has to be converted to jpg.

    I like your photos. Can you do me a favor? Take a picture of something in the distance (kind of like the first image in the series your provided below) and save it as a tiff file. Then take the same picture using Microsoft camera. I'd like to download it to play around with it if you don't mind.
    03-20-2017 06:21 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I like your photos. Can you do me a favor? Take a picture of something in the distance (kind of like the first image in the series your provided below) and save it as a tiff file. Then take the same picture using Microsoft camera. I'd like to download it to play around with it if you don't mind.

    Thanks.

    I'll try and capture something tomorrow, it's gotten a bit dark here now. I can upload a zip file here, I think.
    03-20-2017 07:51 PM
  7. editguy's Avatar
    Here's my latest project. I'm stripping her down and getting ready for doing the bodywork and paint. Standard camera app with HDR. Lighting's not good so it's a mediocre pic.

    wp_20170321_14_57_41_pro.jpg
    03-21-2017 05:04 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Here's my latest project. I'm stripping her down and getting ready for doing the bodywork and paint. Standard camera app with HDR. Lighting's not good so it's a mediocre pic.

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    Can't really tell but is that a '65 Chevelle?
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    03-21-2017 05:08 PM
  9. editguy's Avatar
    Can't really tell but is that a '65 Chevelle?
    Yep, you're good! Especially considering that you're not a Chevy guy!
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    03-21-2017 06:16 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Yep, you're good! Especially considering that you're not a Chevy guy!
    Chevys may not be my first choice but I'm a car guy through and through. I've always said the best engine ever was the Chrysler Slant-6 with the Chevy 350 a not so distant second.
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    03-21-2017 06:45 PM
  11. editguy's Avatar
    Chevys may not be my first choice but I'm a car guy through and through. I've always said the best engine ever was the Chrysler Slant-6 with the Chevy 350 a not so distant second.
    Yeah, me too. I enjoy all kinds of cars. The slant six was an interesting engine. There are still a lot of them going so it had to be a pretty good engine.
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    03-21-2017 07:21 PM
  12. RumoredNow's Avatar
    @Snoops8 sorry it took me a couple of days. The weather has been pretty carp here lately and thus, the light isn't so hot.

    Took 2 series. Each is labeled 01 or 02 for a header. Microsoft Camera, Camera360 Sight and ProShot running through the variations of RAW/JPG sensor and TIFF/JPG file.

    The pics look near identical, the biggest difference is the file sizes which means more or less data for your post shot edits of course.

    The compressed folder is still too large to upload here so I have hosted it on OneDrive in an uncompressed format.

    https://1drv.ms/f/s!AkvY2_b6DBA3i-03Ls01MeZ4lJN1PA
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    03-22-2017 07:23 PM
  13. editguy's Avatar
    The weather has been pretty carp here lately
    Some people think carp is garbage fish and has too many bones, but I like the flavor.
    03-22-2017 07:30 PM
  14. Snoops8's Avatar
    @Snoops8 sorry it took me a couple of days. The weather has been pretty carp here lately and thus, the light isn't so hot.

    Took 2 series. Each is labeled 01 or 02 for a header. Microsoft Camera, Camera360 Sight and ProShot running through the variations of RAW/JPG sensor and TIFF/JPG file.

    The pics look near identical, the biggest difference is the file sizes which means more or less data for your post shot edits of course.

    The compressed folder is still too large to upload here so I have hosted it on OneDrive in an uncompressed format.

    https://1drv.ms/f/s!AkvY2_b6DBA3i-03Ls01MeZ4lJN1PA
    Thanks so much! That's perfect. I'm going to play with it a little bit, but so far, that's quite the difference between Windows Camera and Proshot. You wouldn't have thought it was from the same camera.
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    03-23-2017 12:47 AM
  15. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Some people think carp is garbage fish and has too many bones, but I like the flavor.
    My grandmother gave me this recipe for carp:

    Clean the carp and nail it to a piece of pine wood and cover with pineapple slices. Broil until golden brown. Remove the carp from the pine wood and eat it (the pine wood).
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    03-23-2017 07:37 AM
  16. editguy's Avatar
    Standard app, HDR, manual focus
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    03-23-2017 03:38 PM
  17. editguy's Avatar
    This is the top photo after a quick run through a photo editor. This looks like it did with the naked eye.

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    03-23-2017 07:52 PM
  18. Snoops8's Avatar
    So I tried playing around with some settings and you can get the image actually pretty sharp. The picture of the field showed exactly how much smearing of the image the stock camera app will do to certain textures, such as the grass.

    I'm no expert, but what a difference it makes when you just use a different editing program!

    Crop of the default MS camera app. You can't even tell if the animals are cows, alpacas or bears.
    ms-camera.jpg


    ms1.jpg

    Crop using Proshot (raw->jpeg)
    proshot.jpg


    proshot1.jpg

    Crop after using a raw editor
    raw-therapee.jpg


    raw-therapee-2.jpg


    Not used to posting pictures on forums, hopefully it came out alright.
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    03-24-2017 02:26 AM
  19. badelhas's Avatar
    ProShot App using RAW (sensor) to TIFF (image file). Converted to JPG with Fotor. Cropped 16:9 in Polarr Pro and I added some Vibrance and Saturation.

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    That photo looks professional indeed, congrats!

    Cheers
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    03-24-2017 03:43 AM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    That photo looks professional indeed, congrats!

    Cheers
    Too bad it is a plastic plant. If you zoom in you can see the weave of the fibers.
    03-25-2017 05:35 AM
  21. darrell reimer's Avatar
    Hi guys; been gone from this forum for a while; taking pics with my 950 xl is everything i had hoped for. Amazing Camera!! Absolutely no disappointments whatsoever; noticeable upgrade from the IDOL 4S camera. Still miss the feel and build of the IDOL 4S handset though; question: have you had any firmware updates for the camera? I notice that the HP x3 has had at least 3 different firmware updates, with at least one being for the camera. Anything with the 4S?
    03-26-2017 01:06 AM
  22. RumoredNow's Avatar
    question: have you had any firmware updates for the camera? I notice that the HP x3 has had at least 3 different firmware updates, with at least one being for the camera. Anything with the 4S?
    Microsoft Camera seems to have improved things on its own. No Firmware from Alcatel far as I can see.
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    03-26-2017 05:40 AM
  23. editguy's Avatar
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    Spring in the desert.

    Standard app, manual focus. It's really hard to set focus in the bright Arizona sun because my aging eyes have a very difficult time seeing the screen!
    03-27-2017 02:30 AM
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    Spring in the desert.

    Standard app, manual focus. It's really hard to set focus in the bright Arizona sun because my aging eyes have a very difficult time seeing the screen!
    Wow. Those are great pictures indeed. Congrats!

    Cheers
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    03-27-2017 03:33 PM
  25. editguy's Avatar
    Wow. Those are great pictures indeed. Congrats!

    Cheers
    Thanks!
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    03-27-2017 08:13 PM
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