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  1. editguy's Avatar
    I don't think TMO has any control over updates. Even before I went the Insider route I was getting updates as they came out. The specs are identical to the TMO version and don't show Band 17 for AT&T Enhanced LTE services. There may be some unhappy campers.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    I know that carriers no longer control software updates, but I was thinking more along the lines if there was ever a firmware update. My understanding is that carriers would still have control of that. I*seem to remember that AT&T controlled the firmware updates on the L950. Maybe I've misunderstood that. Not that I have any reason to believe that there are any firmware updates planned.
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    01-17-2017 11:46 AM
  2. TgeekB's Avatar
    Not available in local stores yet (I called) and staff unsure if and when it will be.
    I ordered one online. It should be here by the end of the week.

    Sent from mTalk
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    01-17-2017 11:47 AM
  3. jwinch2's Avatar
    Just saw that it does not have Qi? Odd. Not necessarily a deal breaker, but definitely frustrating for a supposed flagship device.
    01-17-2017 12:13 PM
  4. vhl71's Avatar
    It's available in Microsoft store in canada for $619.
    I might just keep my Lumia 950 as it costs a Lot more than what I paid for 950. Plus the camera is better on Lumia

    Sent from mTalk
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    01-17-2017 12:16 PM
  5. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Just saw that it does not have Qi? Odd. Not necessarily a deal breaker, but definitely frustrating for a supposed flagship device.
    No Qi and no NFC.

    Still it is a nice device. They made some odd sacrifices to meet the price point. Consider it vs the Android version and I think Windows scored better.

    alcatel Idol 4s vs. alcatel Idol 4s Windows - GSMArena.com
    01-17-2017 12:58 PM
  6. jwinch2's Avatar
    No Qi and no NFC.

    Still it is a nice device. They made some odd sacrifices to meet the price point. Consider it vs the Android version and I think Windows scored better.

    alcatel Idol 4s vs. alcatel Idol 4s Windows - GSMArena.com
    I don't necessarily disagree, but it does strike me as disappointing give where we are at in smartphone development. Heck, my Lumia 920 had qi.
    01-17-2017 01:12 PM
  7. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I don't necessarily disagree, but it does strike me as disappointing give where we are at in smartphone development. Heck, my Lumia 920 had qi.
    I understand completely. My last 3 phones have not had Qi after I've come to depend on it. C'est la vie.
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    01-17-2017 01:19 PM
  8. editguy's Avatar
    I consider the things it's lacking as reasonable sacrifices considering the price point and overall quality of the device. Perhaps if it does well they will consider offering a higher spec model. If it doesn't sell well, we're running out of options for WP. That will be a very sad day for me because I don't like Android or iOS.
    01-17-2017 02:38 PM
  9. TgeekB's Avatar
    Also, any case recommendations for this? Gel? Do all of the versions (Android, BlackBerry, etc.) take the same one?
    01-17-2017 03:20 PM
  10. libra89's Avatar
    Also, any case recommendations for this? Gel? Do all of the versions (Android, BlackBerry, etc.) take the same one?
    For your second question, they all do. Check out this post.
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    01-17-2017 03:27 PM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    For your second question, they all do. Check out this post.
    Awesome, thanks. They all have the same body which is smart on their part and makes it easier to find accessories.
    There's a J&D on Amazon which I have used on another phone. Guess I'll go with that.

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    01-17-2017 03:38 PM
  12. TgeekB's Avatar
    I understand completely. My last 3 phones have not had Qi after I've come to depend on it. C'est la vie.
    I've had it in the past too. Liked it but found i didn't use it much.
    As far as NFC goes I have never used it so no big deal. If the rest of the phone lives up to its reputation ilk be a happy camper! 😉

    Sent from mTalk
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    01-17-2017 03:41 PM
  13. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Yeah, my bank is Ally and they are not on the list for Tap to Pay with Wallet so I don't need the NFC right now either...

    I am super pleased with how fast this phone charges though so Qi is a bit less missed. My fave use case for it was having the phone on a Qi stand at bedside so I always had Glance to look at whenever I awoke. No Glance either. Meh, life moves on.
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    01-17-2017 03:57 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    Yeah, my bank is Ally and they are not on the list for Tap to Pay with Wallet so I don't need the NFC right now either...

    I am super pleased with how fast this phone charges though so Qi is a bit less missed. My fave use case for it was having the phone on a Qi stand at bedside so I always had Glance to look at whenever I awoke. No Glance either. Meh, life moves on.
    Ally banker here also. Haven't found a big use for NFC myself.
    Quick charge is all I need for occasional time I may need to top off.
    Mainly looking for something to get me through the next year until the real fun begins. Want the fingerprint scanner for unlocking as I have it on my Nexus (which will get sold). Love Windows 10 as it fits my needs perfectly.

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    01-17-2017 04:26 PM
  15. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Quick charge is all I need for occasional time I may need to top off.
    Check this post and below...

    Just went USB C to C on my cables and Aukey smart on my chargers. Seems to be very nice so far.
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    01-17-2017 04:37 PM
  16. jwinch2's Avatar
    Wireless is awesome for when I can't sleep and want to mess around with my phone and then put it down to charge without having to fumble around in the dark trying to plug a cord in. It's also great for work as I can just set it down and know it's charging, etc. And, of course, I invested some money in that process and would like to keep using it. Frustrating that it doesn't have it.
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    01-17-2017 05:20 PM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Awesome, thanks. They all have the same body which is smart on their part and makes it easier to find accessories.
    There's a J&D on Amazon which I have used on another phone. Guess I'll go with that.

    Sent from mTalk
    Be careful when choosing cases that you don't get one without the cutout for the fingerprint scanner (the Android version doesn't have one). I don't ever use it so it doesn't bother me but I'm just passing the info along.
    01-17-2017 05:28 PM
  18. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    It's available in Microsoft store in canada for $619.
    I might just keep my Lumia 950 as it costs a Lot more than what I paid for 950. Plus the camera is better on Lumia

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    Where????? I have been all over the Canadian Site and at last check still no listing. Did you see one in person?
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    01-17-2017 05:29 PM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    No Qi and no NFC.

    Still it is a nice device. They made some odd sacrifices to meet the price point. Consider it vs the Android version and I think Windows scored better.

    alcatel Idol 4s vs. alcatel Idol 4s Windows - GSMArena.com
    A more appropriate comparison would be the BlackBerry DTEK60, they're virtually identical except for the display resolution.
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    01-17-2017 05:31 PM
  20. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    It's available in Microsoft store in canada for $619.
    I might just keep my Lumia 950 as it costs a Lot more than what I paid for 950. Plus the camera is better on Lumia

    Sent from mTalk
    Just as a follow up, I went back on line to Microsoft Store Canada and opened a chat.......no info at this time. However I was asked if I wanted an email update as info becomes available..........this is killing me..........
    01-17-2017 05:40 PM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    A more appropriate comparison would be the BlackBerry DTEK60, they're virtually identical except for the display resolution.
    True enough... Let's put all 3 together with our boy in the center: alcatel Idol 4s vs. alcatel Idol 4s Windows vs. BlackBerry DTEK60 - GSMArena.com

    Of course the Dtek 60 is a couple more $ and has no VR Gear.
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    01-17-2017 05:42 PM
  22. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    True enough... Let's put all 3 together with our boy in the center: alcatel Idol 4s vs. alcatel Idol 4s Windows vs. BlackBerry DTEK60 - GSMArena.com

    Of course the Dtek 60 is a couple more $ and has no VR Gear.
    The only thing I wish it had, and this is not a deal breaker, is FM Radio. However as long as I keep a back up charged ( 640 XL), in the event of a power down emergency I am good to go.
    I do think the Governments should step in and force FM as a standard feature on all phones!!!! Anyone remember the Eastern North America Black out?????? That lasted 3 days in my area.
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    01-17-2017 05:55 PM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    Be careful when choosing cases that you don't get one without the cutout for the fingerprint scanner (the Android version doesn't have one). I don't ever use it so it doesn't bother me but I'm just passing the info along.
    Good point I didn't think of. The one I purchased said it was for both, and comments from people who had bought it for the Windows version said it worked.
    I just went to look at the picture if it and it appears the cutout is for both the camera and fingerprint scanner. We'll see for sure when it shows up.



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    01-17-2017 06:21 PM
  24. TgeekB's Avatar
    The only thing I wish it had, and this is not a deal breaker, is FM Radio. However as long as I keep a back up charged ( 640 XL), in the event of a power down emergency I am good to go.
    I do think the Governments should step in and force FM as a standard feature on all phones!!!! Anyone remember the Eastern North America Black out?????? That lasted 3 days in my area.
    I have a small am/fm shortwave radio with batteries for those situations.

    Sent from mTalk
    01-17-2017 06:23 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Anyone remember the Eastern North America Black out??????
    Which one? I know there was a "big one" in the mid 60s but I was too little and still stuck in Fidel's Hell.
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    01-17-2017 07:27 PM
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