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  1. editguy's Avatar
    I do have both, the 4s is a nice looking device but that about where it ends, the touch is very sensitive on this device and can be annoying, the camera is very subpar, it does not run windows 10 as smooth as the x3, the display is not as nice as the x3, no nfc, no wireless charging, vr apps that you can not uninstall, the device has seen no firmware updates since release which kind of tells me alcatel will just abandon it, there is no recovery image using recovery tool for the open market model so if you upgrade to insider builds you are stuck on them, finger print scanner is not very good compared to other devices I have(google pixel, iphone7 and even the x3).
    Perhaps you have the glove mode on. I don't find the phone to be at all too sensitive. Also, I don't know how it could run any smother. It opens apps quickly. I'm sure the X3 is very nice, but for me it's too big to carry around and the things it has that the Idol 4s doesn't have are not things I care about. And, with 64 gigs of storage and a micro SD card slot, I'm not concerned about a few apps that I can't delete. At some point the WDRT will have the unlocked model image. The only thing that would benefit from a firmware update is the camera, and sadly I agree with you that it seems unlikely that Alcatel will be doing that. For what I use a phone camera for, it's more than adequate. It's nice that we have choices though, isn't it?
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    02-15-2017 08:04 PM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Oh oh; camera quality is a deal breaker with me. If i have to go back and use my 3 year old ATIV SE or Lumia 830 to take decent pictures, then i'm in trouble with this phone.....
    Don't get me wrong; while the camera is no PureView/Zeiss/OIS pleasure, it is NOT a complete wreck. Before you decide you should probably look through this thread and see the many excellent examples real users have taken with this phone: http://forums.windowscentral.com/alc...eo-thread.html
    02-15-2017 08:32 PM
  3. darrell reimer's Avatar
    I need your help editguy! You sound like you know camera settings. I really want to keep this phone; I love everything about this phone, except for the camera!. I've always left my other cameras on 'auto' settings, and had great results, so I don't know what to change in the settings. Where should I start? Here's another example of the problems i'm having with this camera:
    02-15-2017 11:20 PM
  4. editguy's Avatar
    I need your help editguy! You sound like you know camera settings. I really want to keep this phone; I love everything about this phone, except for the camera!. I've always left my other cameras on 'auto' settings, and had great results, so I don't know what to change in the settings. Where should I start?
    First, let me say that the camera is a lot easier to manage for stills than it is for video. If you're going to be using it a lot for video and you prefer auto settings, you may have to decide if this phone is for you. If I find some time tomorrow I will take it out and see what I can do.

    Here's my suggestion for now. Take a white sheet of paper (copy paper) with you and use it to set the white balance. You want it set for the lighting conditions that you're recording in so do this in the location where you're shooting the video. Open the white balance setting and adjust it until the piece of paper looks the same through the camera lens as it does with the naked eye. You would do this whether it's a sunny day or a cloudy day. When the camera knows what white is under any given condition, it then knows what the colors should look like. Poor white balance is why you see videos with white being tinted and colors being off. Next, set the focus to infinity. That should stop it from "hunting" for focus. Lastly, set the brightness by aiming the camera at the brightest scene and adjust it so that it looks appropriate for the brightest area. For example, the snow would be the brightest area and you want the brightness set so that it's not being overwhelmed by the snow. Sadly, the stock camera app allows very few settings for video so I'm not sure if this will solve the problem. I have only taken a couple of videos since I bought the phone They are on comment 110 in the Photo/Video thread. I have a number of dedicated video cameras and I would probably be taking a really nice P & S camera if I was doing skiing video like you. But I completely understand how you would want to use your phone for the convenience, and that many phones would allow you to do that. Try what I suggested and if that doesn't make a marked improvement, before you give up, consider buying the Pro Shot app ($3.99) which gives many settings. If you get Pro Shot, also set the ISO to 100 if it's a sunny day. You could also experiment with different shutter speed settings. Here is a quick overview of the functions of that app:



    Hope this helps!
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    02-16-2017 12:39 AM
  5. Rosebank's Avatar
    Out of this entire forum we seem to have 3 to 5 defenders of the Idol4s, this is a very poor demonstration of the device and its amazing attributes.
    The device (I am sure) is lovely and the owners of it are happy, that's great, its nice to hear of some success. Now if we had 3 to 500 positive viewpoints I would be convinced but as we seem to be in single figures I am not convinced that this is the BEST windows phone.
    02-16-2017 07:09 AM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Out of this entire forum we seem to have 3 to 5 defenders of the Idol4s, this is a very poor demonstration of the device and its amazing attributes.
    The device (I am sure) is lovely and the owners of it are happy, that's great, its nice to hear of some success. Now if we had 3 to 500 positive viewpoints I would be convinced but as we seem to be in single figures I am not convinced that this is the BEST windows phone.
    You're assuming that every owner of this phone should be aware of this site and this particular thread. We can all rest in peace knowing you're not convinced this phone isn't the GOAT. That's a big burden lifted from us, believe me.
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    02-16-2017 08:34 AM
  7. TgeekB's Avatar
    Out of this entire forum we seem to have 3 to 5 defenders of the Idol4s, this is a very poor demonstration of the device and its amazing attributes.
    The device (I am sure) is lovely and the owners of it are happy, that's great, its nice to hear of some success. Now if we had 3 to 500 positive viewpoints I would be convinced but as we seem to be in single figures I am not convinced that this is the BEST windows phone.
    I understand you are frustrated with Windows mobile and have moved on to Android. I hope its going well. For the rest us, especially those of us using this particular device, we have a different view point. Most likely the thread(s) were initiated to elicit some excitement about the platform, rather than the usual negativity which gets old after a while. Is the Idol4s "officially" the best WM device? Of course not, but to many it fits our needs and we are voicing that opinion. I even made a positive comment in the "Is the 1520 the greatest Windows mobile device" thread because it seems many others like that one. If you've never used this device, or dislike WM, I don't quite understand the reason to deny others a chance to voice their opinion and have some fun.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    02-16-2017 08:53 AM
  8. darrell reimer's Avatar
    First, let me say that the camera is a lot easier to manage for stills than it is for video. If you're going to be using it a lot for video and you prefer auto settings, you may have to decide if this phone is for you. If I find some time tomorrow I will take it out and see what I can do.

    Hope this helps!
    editguy - you are awesome! Thank you so much for the taking the time to give me such a quick and detailed response! I'll try to do what you suggested. And...yes - i have ProShot, so i'll play around with its' setting too.
    Thank you again!
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    02-16-2017 09:41 AM
  9. Rosebank's Avatar
    I understand you are frustrated with Windows mobile and have moved on to Android. I hope its going well. For the rest us, especially those of us using this particular device, we have a different view point. Most likely the thread(s) were initiated to elicit some excitement about the platform, rather than the usual negativity which gets old after a while. Is the Idol4s "officially" the best WM device? Of course not, but to many it fits our needs and we are voicing that opinion. I even made a positive comment in the "Is the 1520 the greatest Windows mobile device" thread because it seems many others like that one. If you've never used this device, or dislike WM, I don't quite understand the reason to deny others a chance to voice their opinion and have some fun.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    The title of the thread is whether the Idol4s is the Best windows phone of all time, I am entitled to my opinions and they have nothing to do with the Windows platform, none what so ever, for that reason I have not even mentioned windows OS, the device lacks features and therefore I deem it not to be the best ever device. This is my standing on the position and not an attack in general regarding windows. If you don't like my comments then don't respond to them, they are not in line with the views of the people that love the device and that's the whole point of debate, if we all went with your views there would be very little to discuss would there.
    02-16-2017 09:56 AM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The title of the thread is whether the Idol4s is the Best windows phone of all time, I am entitled to my opinions and they have nothing to do with the Windows platform, none what so ever, for that reason I have not even mentioned windows OS, the device lacks features and therefore I deem it not to be the best ever device. This is my standing on the position and not an attack in general regarding windows. If you don't like my comments then don't respond to them, they are not in line with the views of the people that love the device and that's the whole point of debate, if we all went with your views there would be very little to discuss would there.
    You could've said this first instead of insinuating that because only 3-5 "defenders" rate this phone highest it ain't all that.
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    02-16-2017 11:35 AM
  11. Rosebank's Avatar
    Also.. This device has just had its price slashed considerably, this is quite worrying and I would be asking questions as to why?
    02-16-2017 11:57 AM
  12. editguy's Avatar
    Also.. This device has just had its price slashed considerably, this is quite worrying and I would be asking questions as to why?
    That's easy to answer. It's T-Mobile. They will probably drop it soon. It's what they did with their version of the L640 and yet that phone sold quite well otherwise. So, no, it doesn't worry me and I have the answer to the question. T-Mobile.
    02-16-2017 12:38 PM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    Also.. This device has just had its price slashed considerably, this is quite worrying and I would be asking questions as to why?
    I'm going to repeat what I've said to others, if it sells more who cares? It gets it into the hands of more people, maybe even new WM users. Like editguy said, I think it's just what T-mobile does, so not worth reading anything into.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
    02-16-2017 03:44 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It seems as though the initial run of Idols sold out. The latest batch, including the fresh one I got today, are already on the AU unlike the earlier ones on 10586. Shame on me for trying to have an extramarital affair with that high maintenance iPhone.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
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    02-16-2017 04:45 PM
  15. mark233's Avatar
    The best anything of all time can't exist because time continues. Wait until time no longer exists, then we can discuss the best of whatever of all time.
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    02-16-2017 05:22 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The best anything of all time can't exist because time continues. Wait until time no longer exists, then we can discuss the best of whatever of all time.
    We maaaaaay be busy with other matters don't you think?
    02-16-2017 06:05 PM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    The best anything of all time can't exist because time continues. Wait until time no longer exists, then we can discuss the best of whatever of all time.
    But will we exist then? I think we'd better at least start now. 😉

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
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    02-16-2017 06:34 PM
  18. nate0's Avatar
    It seems as though the initial run of Idols sold out. The latest batch, including the fresh one I got today, are already on the AU unlike the earlier ones on 10586. Shame on me for trying to have an extramarital affair with that high maintenance iPhone.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    Wow that is crazy...these phones must have been sitting somewhere since last February...

    Mine came with 14393..67 or .189 when I got it. I cannot remember because it updated to .693 before I downloaded all my apps.
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    02-16-2017 06:37 PM
  19. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    Wow that is crazy...these phones must have been sitting somewhere since last February...

    Mine came with 14393..67 or .189 when I got it. I cannot remember because it updated to .693 before I downloaded all my apps.
    I wish I had looked to see what mine had on it. But the first thing I did was get the latest insider preview build.
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    02-17-2017 07:03 AM
  20. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    I wonder if the price drop might be some price war type retaliation for MS selling an unlocked version. Maybe T-Mobile missed some fine print about exclusivity in their contract with Alcatel? If so, it gives some insight into how far T-Mobile is willing to go to get new customers and how much of a discount it takes to get someone who wants this phone to switch to T-Mobile to get it.
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    02-17-2017 07:08 AM
  21. editguy's Avatar
    I need your help editguy! You sound like you know camera settings. I really want to keep this phone; I love everything about this phone, except for the camera!. I've always left my other cameras on 'auto' settings, and had great results, so I don't know what to change in the settings. Where should I start? Here's another example of the problems i'm having with this camera:
    Darrell, here's a real quick video I did today using the standard camera app. I set the ISO to 100 and manually white balanced (not completely correct, but close). The focus was set to infinity. It's not perfect and still has some color shifting but, as you can see, the result is significantly better than what you were getting. If I can get away in the next few days I'll do one where I have time to get the WB set accurately. My mom had a stroke a few days before Christmas and it's kind of consumed most of my spare daylight hours outside of the house. One of the reasons I use dedicated cameras for outdoor videos is that I like to use manual settings and so I buy cameras that have a dedicated viewfinder (not just the LCD). With a view finder you can see the details that get washed out on a screen in the sunlight. That makes it much easier to set focus, WB and all of the other settings manually.
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    02-17-2017 03:53 PM
  22. Iain_S's Avatar
    Perhaps you have the glove mode on. I don't find the phone to be at all too sensitive. Also, I don't know how it could run any smother. It opens apps quickly. I'm sure the X3 is very nice, but for me it's too big to carry around and the things it has that the Idol 4s doesn't have are not things I care about. And, with 64 gigs of storage and a micro SD card slot, I'm not concerned about a few apps that I can't delete. At some point the WDRT will have the unlocked model image. The only thing that would benefit from a firmware update is the camera, and sadly I agree with you that it seems unlikely that Alcatel will be doing that. For what I use a phone camera for, it's more than adequate. It's nice that we have choices though, isn't it?
    glove mode is off, when typing say if you hit a letter instead of the letter showing once it will freely type about 6 of them, or when you hold down the back button to pull up multi tasking the phone will go crazy vibrating and flipping back and forth between the app and the multi tasking screen, very annoying.
    02-17-2017 08:08 PM
  23. darrell reimer's Avatar
    Darrell, here's a real quick video I did today using the standard camera app. I set the ISO to 100 and manually white balanced (not completely correct, but close). The focus was set to infinity. It's not perfect and still has some color shifting but, as you can see, the result is significantly better than what you were getting. If I can get away in the next few days I'll do one where I have time to get the WB set accurately. My mom had a stroke a few days before Christmas and it's kind of consumed most of my spare daylight hours outside of the house. One of the reasons I use dedicated cameras for outdoor videos is that I like to use manual settings and so I buy cameras that have a dedicated viewfinder (not just the LCD). With a view finder you can see the details that get washed out on a screen in the sunlight. That makes it much easier to set focus, WB and all of the other settings manually.
    Hi editguy. Thanks so much for taking your time to do this! The video is locked 'private' so i can't view it...can you change the settings?
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    02-17-2017 09:14 PM
  24. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Darrell, here's a real quick video I did today
    @editguy

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    02-17-2017 09:18 PM
  25. editguy's Avatar
    glove mode is off, when typing say if you hit a letter instead of the letter showing once it will freely type about 6 of them, or when you hold down the back button to pull up multi tasking the phone will go crazy vibrating and flipping back and forth between the app and the multi tasking screen, very annoying.
    Then I would say you either got a defective phone or you need to do a hard reset. Mine has never done anything like that and I haven't seen anyone else posting a problem like that..
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    02-17-2017 11:42 PM
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