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  1. Sayo's Avatar
    Hmm.. The conversation seems to have died off--Let's fix that.

    First, I want to recall a couple of my comments from yesterday with regards to Windows Mobile as a whole; I was on a roll with some of the negativity, and we all know how that goes. Anyway, I mentioned, "[Windows Mobile as a product] is honestly no longer relevant in today's ecosystem." I don't believe that. Microsoft has simply let the novelty of the user experience atrophy to the point where they'll be expected to present an OS overhaul in the coming months, but it's still very usable and has managed to retain relevancy by...

    [wait for it]

    ...positioning itself as the OS behind the OS. Look at The HTC HD2 recently released, a beautiful, capacitive touchscreen screen and a fantastic Sense UI which is ideal in showing the flexibility of the OS. It contains all the flash and widgets the average consumer has come to appreciate in a modern smartphone as well as retained a compatibility with much of the programs die-hard Windows Mobile fans have come to require. It's not nearly perfect, but both the hardware and software have that much-needed "Wow!" factor.

    Now for something entirely different. How about we generate some questions to keep a civil debate going and keep educated those not in-the-know. Heck, I've heard some great advice so far, some even I didn't realize.

    Perhaps I'll start with a couple for Casey:

    1. As an Android User, what (if anything) do you personally find attractive in Windows Mobile over Andriod?

    2. What are the must have apps, and how do you feel about centralized app repositories?
    12-15-2009 12:44 PM
  2. route507too's Avatar
    I have to be honest here, I'm not a WinMo user. After watching the SPE Round Robin video on WinMo phones, I happily joined this community and will be following closely. I'll eventually be getting rid of the Storm...good thing I have months and months until I get out of my contract with VZW because I'll need all the time to decide on what OS I want and then what phone I want. Yikes!

    In any case, looking forward to your video next week. :)
    12-15-2009 12:44 PM
  3. cdawg62184's Avatar
    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?

    ALWAYS waiting for the next big thing in tech...I think Windows has a little catching up to do IMO

    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?

    there are probably tons of people who just use it, unaware of the possibilities, but I do think that it is 'suggested' to use ROMs and the like...

    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)

    I do think about it a lot, just a personal preference though.

    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?

    familiarity.

    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile?

    WinMo!
    12-15-2009 01:01 PM
  4. Bassmanbob's Avatar
    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?
    Windows Mobile is a very successful OS that has been cultivated and nurtured to become what it is today WinMo6.5. Am I "satisfied" with how Windows Mobile is right now? I would have to say "Yes" and "No", here's why; For me the WinMo experience is defined by manufacturer customizations, my favorite coming from HTC, this is the "yes"! The "no" on the other hand is the OS itself....WinMo is in need of a serious refresh and possibly even new architecture. The current end user experience is often a painful one unless said user is actively involved/current with such forums as XDA developers where most devices get a second chance at their functionality and are often times taken beyond functionality into something thats fun to use! As to WinMo7, I cant wait! From the rumors, job hirings, and even Steve Ballmer himself, it sounds like WinMo7 is the superhero coming to save us from the sinking ship known as WinMo6.5!
    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?
    For many people their lives are too hectic or they are too ignorant to realize that Window Mobile can be used beyond the "stock" settings or even "upgraded"! I have an HTC wizard that shipped with Windows Mobile 5 and with help from websites like XDA developers i have flashed custom firmware to it over the years and kept the device current as it is now running WinMo6.5 almost perfectly, save for a few hiccups here and there....but the biggest factor i believe in negativity generated in response to the release of WinMo6.5 was that the people giving negative feedback were using "stock" releases of 6.5 and not the "supercharged" versions available on the net!lol
    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)
    Android has definitely caught my eye, as the devices coming out with android and even the OS itself keep getting better! Speaking of, I'm eagerly awaiting Android to be "ported" to the Touch Pro 2 by some of the XDA developers, and i know THOUSANDS are as well! Android is definitely an item of interest around the WinMo community and i believe it will be for some time to come!
    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?
    I would have to say that the amount of customization that can be achieved on a WinMo phone is incomparable to any other platform as far as "user" customization goes. WinMo is adaptable and can be skinned, tweaked, and even modded! I have been a member of the Windows Mobile community for several years now, and let me say this, I have seen some crazy stuff!
    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile
    In my experience there are several accepted terms that one can use to say Windows Mobile...WinMo, WM, Windows Mobile(duhhhh), Windows Phone( Microsoft re-brand to "modernize" the Windows Mobile name"), as well as some older terminology such as Pocket PC, and PPC(not to be confused with the Apple processor technology).:)
    12-15-2009 01:11 PM
  5. WinMoExp's Avatar
    1) Surprisingly enough, I'm actually very satisfied with Windows Mobile right now. WM6.5 is much faster and much more modern looking than previous iterations. The usability has also gone up from my perspective.

    From what I see, all Microsoft needs to do is create a better Windows Marketplace, and I would be set.

    2) Commonplace? Absolutely not. There are a huge number of people out there who owns WinMo phones and I'm pretty sure that the vast majority do not realize they can change the ROMs on their phones.

    It's hard to give an exact number (or even an estimate) of how many people who just use stock ROMs, but I would imagine less than 10% of WinMo users change the ROMs on their phones.

    3) I have thought of switching a few times (particularly during 2008-mid/late 2009), but the only OSes I've thought of switching to was WebOS and Maemo.

    Android phones are surprisingly similar to WinMo phones (particularly in communities), but personally, I just don't like the way Android works. If I were to make the switch and lose all the apps/games/functionality that I'm used to, then I would prefer to switch to something that feels more modern and is a notable improvement over what I've been using.

    4) The combination of moddability and available apps/games.

    Windows Mobile has an incredible array of useful applications and great games (something I find to be rare on cell phones), but of course, the iPhone is also a huge contender in this field. However, what tipped the scale for me towards WinMo is how moddable it is. I love the idea of changing ROMs to something completely different and fresh or using newer version of WinMo longer before it is officially released.

    5) I personally call it Windows Mobile, though I have seen a few call it Windows phone, which seems kind of silly to me in all honesty. The name sort of suggests one particular phone (and more importantly, the name has been getting in my head as a sort of potential iPhone-competitor Microsoft wants to release) as opposed to simply an OS used by various phones.
    12-15-2009 01:34 PM
  6. soccernamlak's Avatar
    Hmm.. The conversation seems to have died off--Let's fix that.

    First, I want to recall a couple of my comments from yesterday with regards to Windows Mobile as a whole; I was on a roll with some of the negativity, and we all know how that goes. Anyway, I mentioned, "[Windows Mobile as a product] is honestly no longer relevant in today's ecosystem." I don't believe that. Microsoft has simply let the novelty of the user experience atrophy to the point where they'll be expected to present an OS overhaul in the coming months, but it's still very usable and has managed to retain relevancy by...

    [wait for it]

    ...positioning itself as the OS behind the OS. Look at The HTC HD2 recently released, a beautiful, capacitive touchscreen screen and a fantastic Sense UI which is ideal in showing the flexibility of the OS. It contains all the flash and widgets the average consumer has come to appreciate in a modern smartphone as well as retained a compatibility with much of the programs die-hard Windows Mobile fans have come to require. It's not nearly perfect, but both the hardware and software have that much-needed "Wow!" factor.

    Now for something entirely different. How about we generate some questions to keep a civil debate going and keep educated those not in-the-know. Heck, I've heard some great advice so far, some even I didn't realize.

    Perhaps I'll start with a couple for Casey:

    1. As an Android User, what (if anything) do you personally find attractive in Windows Mobile over Andriod?

    2. What are the must have apps, and how do you feel about centralized app repositories?
    I'll admit that Windows Mobile at this point is better off being the coding piece while other companies make the GUI/visual interface. HTC has always been the best in my opinion and making Windows Mobile fun to use visually.

    App wise, I personally love having TomTom on my Tilt. In terms of a centralized app repositories, it works well with Apple. For Windows Mobile and Blackberry (two other phones I use), finding them across the web works just as well in my opinion.
    12-15-2009 04:09 PM
  7. jedah's Avatar
    1. I'm cautiously satisfied for now. It could afford a little more eye candy and be more finger-friendly, but it does just about everything that I'd want it to do. Plus skins like the Sense UI and S-Class go a long way toward helping user-friendliness.

    2. I read of alot of people who flash roms. I don't plan to yet. I have a Tilt 2 which already has 6.5. With the tweaks people have posted, my device runs pretty fast and looks good enough for me at the moment. I may consider it in the future to remove the AT&T bloatware or if someone perfects the HD2 rom to work w/ landscape.

    3. Definitely tempted. I was deciding between a Tilt 2 and Droid before I got the Tilt 2. In terms of power and functionality, they seemed about even (slight nod to WinMo). My main concern was that developers were moving away from WinMo. However, I only have a few apps I really need, and I'm able to find them for WinMo (be it through Marketplace or other channels). The remaining thing Android seemed to have over WinMo was a prettier interface. That wasn't quite good enough for me to move away from the cheap family plan I had going on AT&T. If AT&T had the Droid however, I probably would've got it.

    4. Customization and the open community. However, given a little time, I think Android will catch up to WinMo in this area. One of my fav apps on my phone is an arcade emulator some crazy developer out there was able to port to WinMo.. for free! The developer community is awesome. I'm fairly certain such an app would not be avail through iTunes. I think I saw a youtube vid somewhere where someone was also able to do this on Android, though.
    Another thing I actually like about WinMo (which alot of people probably don't like) is that some of my old applications still work on 6.5. With WinMo being around for so long, chances are there is an app out there for anything you can think of (although you may have to google around for it).

    5. WinMo!
    12-15-2009 05:08 PM
  8. BeeRad's Avatar
    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?
    I think Windows Mobile is in its version of "being int he desert" just like Palm did. Much like Malatesta said one time in a podcast, Windows can't afford to just disappear like Palm did, so they have to stick around and take a public verbal beating. I don't think its totally deserved. The OS still functions like a smartphone should, its just a dated UI which has been skinned beautifully by HTC, LG, etc. Should windows have just slapped a skin of their own on it? YES.

    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?
    Well, thats going to definitely differ but it would heavily depend on which crowd you are directly the question to. I would assume that most people who are hanging around a site like this would be more of the enthusiast, so I would think there would be a lot of ROM flashers. I think thats still a huge perk of the WinPho platform is the tweakability.

    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)
    I would say yes. I have nothing against WinPho. I had an Imagio and had to send it back. I actually loved the phone and WinMo, it just didn't work out. But if someone wanted something fresh and new and something that is the rage right now, I would say the switch to Android would be natural. The two platforms are somewhat structured the same.

    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?
    Windows on your side, and community that shares everything along with eachother tweak the phone into what WE want it to be.


    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile
    I still call it WinMo and WinPho.
    12-15-2009 05:55 PM
  9. Tacos's Avatar
    Well, seeing as my comment from yesterday seems to have disappointingly disappeared into the "approval" ether, let's give this another go...

    1. People don't give it the credit it deserves. Windows Mobile was one of the pioneers in "mobile computing," giving you, at the time, a powerful, portable option in productivity. Wow.. that's a lot of P's.

    2. Anyway, I'm going to have to agree with most consumers now.. It just no longer can maintain relevency in it's current form. I'm on Windows Mobile 6.1, can I upgrade to 6.5? Likely not. 7.0? Nah. Microsoft needs to look to Apple, Google, Palm, etc. in creating an evolving platform on a stationary device.

    3. I use custom roms, but I can also see why those who dont, well.. don't. You don't really have a plethora of safeguards, and most of what people use is very back-alley-esque. Personally, I need it to make the phone do what I need it to do.

    4. Android is new, I think I'll let it settle in first. We'll see what's on the horizon for Windows Mobile 7.0 before jumping ship.

    5. Device choice! Whatever you want, there's likely something from HTC, Samsung, Palm, etc. that will suit your needs. Of course, Android is now getting into this game as well.

    6. Windows Phone is new and weird sounding, like Wii.. people will get used to it.
    12-15-2009 08:49 PM
  10. rodhnc's Avatar
    has Microsoft done anything to improve Activesync since v4.5?
    12-16-2009 10:29 AM
  11. djitch's Avatar
    It looks to me as if most of the people commenting on windows mobile are split right down themiddle when it comes to satisfaction. It seems the die hard people are for the most part satisfied and maybe some of the newbies are a bit more on the opposite side of that argument!
    12-16-2009 11:23 AM
  12. badersk's Avatar
    Hey guys!

    The Smartphone Round Robin is officially underway and that means we need your help to get us up to speed with all the goings of your platform! Don't worry, we have prizes galore for you guys (every day you make a post in the thread for the next week, you'll be entered to win a Windows Phone device, find details at www.smartphoneroundrobin.com) so be sure to speak up!

    So obviously Android and Windows Phone have similar strategies in their platform--they want to be the OS behind the phone, not the phone maker (well, for now)--so there's so much for us Android users to learn from Windows Phone since it's been around for so long. With Android finally gaining more form factors, we're starting to deal with some of the issues that I'm presuming Windows Phone has solved (like apps for diff screen sizes).

    Here are a couple of questions I have to get it started:

    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?
    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?
    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)
    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?
    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile

    I'll definitely be back with more questions and am excited to hear what you guys say! Thanks in advance!
    1. Yes and no. I am satisfied with the capabilities of windows mobile, but not with the 6.5 today screen or the old looking applications.
    2. I use them. Right now I have the HTC branded rom on my Tilt because it seems the most stable and works with my Celio Redfly.
    3. Maybe Android if it continues to gain features, but It is still hard to customize. WM still has them all beat there.
    4. As many have said seamless integration with exchange, ease of customization
    5. The OS is Window Mobile the device is a Windows Phone.
    12-16-2009 01:19 PM
  13. barbo's Avatar
    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?
    I'm a new tiilt2 owner and I like it very much but it took me a while to figure it out - more time than I think most noobies would want to spend
    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?
    I'm using the stock ROM and considering a flash
    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)
    Android might be in my future - down the road a couple years
    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?
    I like being able to customize stuff
    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile
    Win Mo
    12-16-2009 02:32 PM
  14. jeeves5454's Avatar
    1) I am mainly satisfied with the functionality, open-ness, and availability of apps. Always happy to get the new stuff however :-) Moved to Windows Mobile 6.5.x so fast made my phone spin
    2) Custom ROMs are almost required to have a decent experience. Spent 2 years on a stock Windows Mobile 5.0 and regret every moment of it. However staying on the bleeding edge has its own dangers such that new functionality does not always work out of the box. Like any good Linux or Windows computer the phone requires constant tweaking to work, and there is always something new on the horizon
    3) Yes, Android does appear to be the next logical choice IF and ONLY IF Windows Mobile fizzles out. In a 1:1 feature comparison, discounting UI and sparkles, Windows Mobile still kicks Android's **s in features and capabilities , which is kinda funny because Windows Mobile is from the closed source company, and Android is Linux.

    However that doesnt mean that Windows Mobile can perform any of those features or utilize those capabilities all that well, not without a lot of hacking. So I suppose I will switch once all my favorite chefs and app creators move over, and I find a way to port all my data /apps over.

    4) Windows Mobile is almost infinitely customizable, and if I want to do something chances are someone has thought about how to do it, has done it or can point the way to getting it done. I have some knowledge of .Net programming, and some VB scripting knowledge, so firing up a copy of Visual Studio is easy enough to do to build custom scripts, applications and even some random networking application to work with an in house automation suite not explicitly supported by the creators of a dozen different machines. Its true that Android can do the same, but it was too young to consider even 6 months ago.... but the tides are turning.

    Although, built in tethering, built in file and folder management, built in Office Apps, and a desktop synchronization application kinda keep me happy compared to Android.

    5) WIndows Mobile all the way...


    A good comparison between Android and Windows Mobile that was made recently occurred close to home, and has made me carefully consider my die hard Windows Mobile attitude. On an Android or iPhone, there is an app out there that once downloaded will just work. No considerations about registry settings, no testing of network protocols, no resets, no pulling the battery out, and certainly no need to worry about the app being built for a different resolution. So nowadays, my stance is lets see what Android 3.0 brings (knowing that the same Windows Mobile infrastructure and design fragmentation is occurring, along with underpowered phones, low memory usage etc may equate Android to Windows Mobile sooner rather than later).

    Besides all of the above issues, Windows Mobile Phones just neeeeeeeeed better Hardware. (and Hardware drivers, drat you HTC). What happened to the promised Tegra???
    12-16-2009 02:42 PM
  15. MaDMaN785's Avatar
    1. Well, I’m still running on good old 6.1 on my HTC Magician, so cant hugely say about 6.5. But I’m very pleased with what I have, but I would like to have Windows Phone 7, or whatever its going to be called.

    2. I think using custom ROMs is fairly common place, from what I’ve seen its pretty easy so I’d say if you haven’t tried and your coming up to the end of a contact and wanting to change, give it a try! Custom UI stuff is very easy too with little to no worry about messing your phone up. So again, give it a go!


    3. I’ve thought of it, but I’m not sure. There’s a lot of stuff on my WinMo phone that would be a bit of a pain to move across. But if the right phone comes along and I can find a way to move my stuff, I don’t see why not. 

    4. Fits very nicely with other Microsoft products, nice easy ability to customise and lots of apps for it (unlike what some people think, you just have to search a bit to find ours ;-))


    5. In my eyes it will always be Windows Mobile. There’s nothing they can really do to stop it being that either :-P

    Hopefully soon I can go up to a HTC HD2, ready and waiting patiently for 7 
    12-16-2009 02:46 PM
  16. dougsyo's Avatar

    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?
    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?
    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)
    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?
    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile
    Windows Mobile was my first smartphone - I started with a Blackjack 2, then a friend gave me his Fuze (Touchpro) when he got a Tilt2 (Touch Pro2). However, before that I had experience with various PalmOS PDA's, starting with a Palm3, M100, Zire, and most recently a TX. So, I have experience with touchscreen-only devices, keyboard-only (BJ2) and phones with both.

    For your questions:
    1 - WM61 is adequate, nothing more. HTC's Touchflo interface makes much of the phone finger-friendly, but until the stylus is banished, it will always be an ok experience but nothing special. I actually went from the Fuze back to the BJ2 once, then decided to give it another try. The Fuze keyboard helps a lot, but it means "opening" the phone. A larger-screen phone (TP2, Imagio, HD2, etc) might be usable by finger most of the time. Tis a shame the Epix has a reputation as "buggy", or I'd have gotten that rather than the BJ2.

    2 - No custom ROM at the moment, although I followed instructions for de-crapping the phone (getting rid of ATT junklets). I downloaded a WM6.5 ROM for it, but by the time I was ready to put it on, there was a newer version out.

    3 - Android would be my first choice if I left WM. I have a couple of software products that don't yet have Android versions, but there are alternatives.

    4 - Openness. I can choose alternate web browsers, media players, etc, and there are choices. I am considering doing development, and I have a number of options for how to develop (web apps, C++, Basic4PC, and other products). I don't have to deal with the App Store, and I'm not limited to Java or web apps.

    5 - It's still "Windows Mobile" to me. It's not the same as "real Windows" on a desktop or laptop machine.

    Doug
    12-16-2009 02:50 PM
  17. Bassmanbob's Avatar
    Here's a question for everyone....what direction do you think WinMo should head in next?More focus on games?More focus on media/entertainment? Integration with other platforms such as the Xbox 360? I want to hear some thoughts!
    12-16-2009 03:06 PM
  18. JackG058's Avatar
    Here's a question for everyone....what direction do you think WinMo should head in next?More focus on games?More focus on media/entertainment? Integration with other platforms such as the Xbox 360? I want to hear some thoughts!
    How about Zune like functionality put into the Windows Phones? Apple does the iTunes with the iPhone, so why not Microsoft Zune integration? Makes sense to a lot of people. Then, give us more onboard memory measured in the GB's and not MB's.
    12-16-2009 03:13 PM
  19. jeff327's Avatar
    I have a HTC Imagio. I could not be happier. Does windows 6.5 have some issues? Sure but so does every OS. This phone does so much more than I phone users can ever wish for. I am thrilled.
    12-16-2009 03:42 PM
  20. captobie's Avatar
    1. Satisfied, but still want more.
    2. I think in the total installed user base of WM, custom ROM's are rare. But among those of us who count ourselves as "power users" they are a must. My answer to question number one would be much different if I were stuck with a stock ROM.
    3. I have an old AT&T Tilt that I use to play around with Andoid.
    4. The pure customizability (is that a word?) of it. Cooked ROM's, different interfaces (TF3D, SPB MS3, Titanium, Winterface, etc, etc, etc), multiple form factors, and even the ability to put a different OS on it (Android, BlackBerry Application Suite if they ever get around to releasing it). I really haven't encountered that level of customization on any other platform. The OS really is what you make it. And thank you to Microsoft for not cracking down on the cooked ROM's!
    5. I'm starting to use Windows Phone more, it really is easier to say than Windows Mobile. On the other hand, we've got Window Phone, Windows Mobile, WinMo, WM, PocketPC... it does have an identity crisis.
    12-16-2009 03:42 PM
  21. jfa1's Avatar
    Heloo Casey Glad you are here with us for a while

    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?

    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?
    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)
    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?
    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile
    12-16-2009 03:45 PM
  22. jfa1's Avatar
    Welcome Casey

    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?

    -For the most part, I'm satisfied. I wish that 7 has come out last year. Winmo is behind but making progress. I am using the tro pro and hacked that palm abandoned winmo. I understand but...

    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?

    No custom roms I am using Plan Plus for Outlook by Franklin Covey its a plug in for outlook and has a version of Pocket Informant 8 built in.

    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)

    -Thinking about it but no movement yet. The gsm successor to the Hero is looking prety nice from the specs I'm watching Android closely.

    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?

    -Frankly, I really like the today screen. With my WinMo devices my appointments, todos and emails/sms's are the focus. I like having all of that there at a glance.

    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile

    -WinMo or WM
    12-16-2009 03:52 PM
  23. joozzt's Avatar
    As a developer:

    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?
    Very satisfied, love the principallly minimal design of WM6.5. They did a good job in getting the maximum result in as little time as possible. I find HTCs stuff overwhelmingly chaotic and even boring because of all the same visual transitions you have to see over and over again.
    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?
    Don't use daily, only to see where MS is going now and then.
    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)
    Thought of adding to supported platforms, but quickly went back to WM seeing (last year and last week) the infancy of the Android OS SDK. I don't think this will change much in the future.
    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?
    Ha, don't get me started, WM is the Linux under the Smartphones.
    Develop for WM and using the same source-code and a flick of a switch in Visual Studio you have software for billions of PC's.
    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile
    See above. WP is Word Perfect :-)
    12-16-2009 04:45 PM
  24. cenkaetaya's Avatar
    i like windows mobile because:

    1. many apps are free and others can be torrented
    2. lots of custumization
    3. ROMS ^ kinda goes with that
    4. tinkering and making it better
    5. freedom - avoiding stupid subscriptions or limitations of features
    6. ive been using windows for like 20 years .. soo.. ya..

    -Android looks pretty good
    -Anything else... i dont really need. WM does everything and will do everything. Its easier to screw with and you feel more free, eventhough its MS

    even android has that (mac) feel of, everything is integrated and part of itself

    in windows, its just you
    your phone
    and no limitations
    12-16-2009 04:56 PM
  25. waazzupppp's Avatar
    1. Are you guys satisfied with where Windows Phone is right now? Or are people simply waiting (im)patiently for Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called)?

    I love this question... I am just loving my WinMo 6.1 powered TP2 stock (with just a few minor tweaks for power and memory)... It does everything I need, almost to the point that I can go a week now without having to access my work computer. Email a PDF, DOC or XLS file, no problem... Edit, correct and resend, got it...

    Overall, coming from BB OS 5.0 (and playing with some of the newer Android devices) WinMo isn't as pretty in some areas, but it's still very very functional. I can't wait to see what improvements are made with 7.0, but for now, the only part that gets me going is the horrible Facebook & Twitter support - so thank goodness for Skyfire's integration!


    2. Is using custom ROMs and the like commonplace on Windows Phone? How many people just use Windows Phone (no skin, ROM, UI, etc)?

    I usually experiment with the newest ROM's, just like the OS leaks from Crackberry. It's fun, but overall, I need my phone to do what it does best - organize my life and let me stay in contact with clients. The Berry did a great job of that, but with so many issues in the software (Storm 1 was my prior device of choice) I had to find something more reliable. The TP2 is everything I need in a phone, and has a great keyboard to boot!

    3. Anyone ever think of moving to Android? Is that the most logical destination for Windows Phone refugees? =)

    I think if HTC does a good job of integrating Sense into both WinMo and Android, the next step will be their own device software (ala Samsung's Bada) where both Android and WinMo lose out on a major hardware partner. I think long term, Google will run Android and have a private label handset (probably made by HTC), Microsoft will come out with the ZunePhone or the zPhone as we like to imagine... Not because they have to, but because they want to. The ZuneHD is getting good press and will move forward - add in a phone and poof!

    4. What do you like about Windows Phone that no other platform offers?

    I think all the major platforms are great. There isn't one above another for any one reason. I like WinMo because it just works. No crashes, no memory leaks, no downtime on data or voice because something locked up. It just does what it does.

    I guess if you were going to break down the 'reason' I returned to WinMo after 2+ years with a Berry, it would have to be the selection of hardware is better for WinMo. I went from a Dell Axim30 to a MotoQ, then to a Pearl (8130) and a Storm... as the Berry hardware got closer to what my Dell was 5 years ago, I realized that I missed WinMo's interface and software a bit more than I was letting on.

    I think the biggest bummer that WinMo users are facing is all the software that is being written as 'new' is coming to other platforms. I bet the dev's are all 'waiting' to see what MS does with 7 or doesn't do with 7 before committing any more resources to it. Nothing like designing a new program to have them toss the OS out the window in 3 weeks...

    5. Does anyone really call it Windows Phone or is it Windows Mobile

    Um... Windows Mobile? Really? It's just WinMo man... :)
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