02-13-2014 07:33 AM
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  1. SnailUK's Avatar
    I personally have never understood the value of BBM, but I can see it being a thing for old BB user. I very much doubt MS has any use for the company.
    BB have huge marketshare in some 3rd world type countries, where talk/text/data costs are comparitively expensive.

    All their network data is heavily compressed, and with BB messenger putting stuff through the (heavily compressed) data connection, its possible to run a phone completely through a tiny data bundle.

    To be fair, Microsoft have implemented the same compression in WP8, its just none of the networks actually installed the servers their end, as it effects their bottom line, which i think is why Nokia have their browser they release recently that compresses web content.
    08-13-2013 06:31 AM
  2. sueha's Avatar
    Had a Bold 9900 before I bought my 920 and only rarely used BBM. Couldn't see any advantages over WhatsApp. I only had 2 friends using BBM and ~100 using WhatsApp. You have to link to your BBM friends with their BBM PIN, but I found that was too complicated. Just use the phone number like with WhatsApp.

    Compression is fine, but my data plan is big enough to handle WhatsApp. Streaming videos and surfing desktop websites are the killers I'd say. I enjoyed compression with BB, but I had to pay additional 10 Euros each month for enabling that BlackBerry service. For those 10 Euros I can easily get a much better data plan again...

    I liked the BB hardware, but Nokia is doing even better. There is not much value I see in BlackBerry. People tend to think that MS needs to buy every company available. I dont think it is needed here.
    08-13-2013 07:36 AM
  3. Twitter@Firas_MD's Avatar
    The one thing im hoping for, before BB is done , is to make a BBM version for WP... Not just for IOS and android. Wow just imagen having BBM here on your WP home screen...
    08-13-2013 07:45 AM
  4. z33dev33l's Avatar
    The one thing im hoping for, before BB is done , is to make a BBM version for WP... Not just for IOS and android. Wow just imagen having BBM here on your WP home screen...
    Why? It's like a worse version of whatsapp.
    squire777 likes this.
    08-13-2013 07:48 AM
  5. gsquared's Avatar
    In a way this should remind us of where Nokia was at about three years ago. Thankfully Nokia was a little smarter than BB. They swallowed their ego's and brought in someone who, by the looks of things, is leading them down the right path.

    BB had their chance last year and let their own arrogance get in the way. BB10 has the same shortcomming as did MeeGo. It doesn't have the supporting backend services to support it.

    Give Mr. Elop some credit. He saw this and turned his ship away from a dead-end.
    08-13-2013 08:00 AM
  6. borasar's Avatar
    it's just not on other platforms, if it was i don't think it would be worse than whatsapp
    Why? It's like a worse version of whatsapp.
    08-13-2013 08:19 AM
  7. borasar's Avatar
    Had a Bold 9900 before I bought my 920 and only rarely used BBM. Couldn't see any advantages over WhatsApp. I only had 2 friends using BBM and ~100 using WhatsApp. You have to link to your BBM friends with their BBM PIN, but I found that was too complicated. Just use the phone number like with WhatsApp.

    Compression is fine, but my data plan is big enough to handle WhatsApp. Streaming videos and surfing desktop websites are the killers I'd say. I enjoyed compression with BB, but I had to pay additional 10 Euros each month for enabling that BlackBerry service. For those 10 Euros I can easily get a much better data plan again...

    I liked the BB hardware, but Nokia is doing even better. There is not much value I see in BlackBerry. People tend to think that MS needs to buy every company available. I dont think it is needed here.
    the browser was a complete mess, and to be honest I can't say the hardware was all that great either, keyboard aside.
    I think WP8 is really well positioned right now to take it hard to RIMM when it comes to corporate clients, I hope MS sees that and starts executing.
    08-13-2013 08:31 AM
  8. z33dev33l's Avatar
    it's just not on other platforms, if it was i don't think it would be worse than whatsapp
    It didn't have near the level of features.
    08-13-2013 10:13 AM
  9. borasar's Avatar
    It didn't have near the level of features.
    like what?
    08-13-2013 10:30 AM
  10. hdtracy's Avatar
    When I had a blackberry, I loved BBM. My closest friends happened to also have BBM, and so it allowed me to cancel my SMS/MMS plan and instead just use BBM - saving me about $20 a month. Until then no one had a blackberry anymore. And then iMessage came out - and Whatsapp got more popular, and BBM just got totally left behind. Things like BBM are only useful when they are widespread. I now have the same setup with iMessage - I haven't had need for a SMS/MMS plan in years between iMessage and a GV number...
    BBM just isn't enough to hold them up anymore when there are much better, and far more widespread options out there to compete with now.
    08-13-2013 10:33 AM
  11. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    BB have huge marketshare in some 3rd world type countries, where talk/text/data costs are comparitively expensive.

    All their network data is heavily compressed, and with BB messenger putting stuff through the (heavily compressed) data connection, its possible to run a phone completely through a tiny data bundle.

    To be fair, Microsoft have implemented the same compression in WP8, its just none of the networks actually installed the servers their end, as it effects their bottom line, which i think is why Nokia have their browser they release recently that compresses web content.
    That compression you are referring to exists on the legacy BlackBerry platform. BlackBerry 10 does not use BIS, so that feature does not exist.
    08-13-2013 12:08 PM
  12. John Beardsley's Avatar
    Too bad this headline is totally false and misleading .we have seen similar scenarios in many companies. don't count Blackberry out. They have a a lot going for them including 2.9 billion in cash. The BB10 software is superior and they just need to start licencing to has- beens like Nokia and Htc to get back in the race. It would be nice if there weren't so much trash talk against them but hey we are Canadian and we are used to it. The British used us for Cannon fodder until they realized we were actually winning more battles than they were. the Canadians were much better in dday and especially dday plus 2 and 3 rescuing the United states bacon. But hey you will live to hear me say "I told You so"
    08-13-2013 01:27 PM
  13. FearL0rd's Avatar
    My Company uses Lync. It supports all main plataforms (WP, Android and IOS). It is almost perfect..

    Getting Started with Lync 2013 - Office.com
    08-13-2013 01:57 PM
  14. blackhawk556's Avatar
    Microsoft needs to put some money (like the did with NOKIA) on and use BB hardware with WP and BBM. Enterprise market share will go to roof
    No it wouldn't.
    08-13-2013 02:23 PM
  15. borasar's Avatar
    All speculation at this point. They likely would like to take the company private but getting the cash together will be an issue. There will not be many PE firms willing to put up that kind of money for a one trick pony.
    they are talking to Silver Lake who are currently trying to take Dell private, Fairfax already owns roughly 5% of RIM.
    now there are news floating around that CPPIB and AIMCo wouldn't mind taking a look at them either, I'd say OTPP and OMERS would as well.
    08-13-2013 02:36 PM
  16. borasar's Avatar
    Too bad this headline is totally false and misleading .we have seen similar scenarios in many companies. don't count Blackberry out. They have a a lot going for them including 2.9 billion in cash. The BB10 software is superior and they just need to start licencing to has- beens like Nokia and Htc to get back in the race. It would be nice if there weren't so much trash talk against them but hey we are Canadian and we are used to it. The British used us for Cannon fodder until they realized we were actually winning more battles than they were. the Canadians were much better in dday and especially dday plus 2 and 3 rescuing the United states bacon. But hey you will live to hear me say "I told You so"
    Nokia would not license that software, and they are as much of a has-been as blackberry is. WP8 is bypassing BB and most of that is Nokia devices.
    Also I'm not sure why everyone looks at privatization as a funeral. If anything it'll give BB more freedom to maneuver and will likely increase chances of recovery if anything
    08-13-2013 02:44 PM
  17. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Microsoft needs to put some money (like the did with NOKIA) on and use BB hardware with WP and BBM. Enterprise market share will go to roof
    I'm not so sure on that. There has already been something of a European shift towards Nokia-based Windows Phones in the business sector, while Blackberry has been losing customers like crazy for some time now. They are not really a needed acquisition for Microsoft to grow in the enterprise market. In fact, a Microsoft purchase of Blackberry would pretty much mean that Microsoft would be buying a company to counter what Nokia is doing, which would be a bit silly, no?

    I guess there would be the option of buying Blackberry for its patents and services while stripping away the hardware sector, and allowing that stuff to go away or something. Maybe Microsoft and Nokia could do a shared purchase, with Microsoft getting the majority (or all) of the services for the overall Windows Phone OS experience, while Nokia could get the hardware sector to increase device output and/or gain design patents.
    08-13-2013 07:50 PM
  18. coip's Avatar
    Microsoft needs to put some money (like the did with NOKIA) on and use BB hardware with WP and BBM. Enterprise market share will go to roof
    I also thought about this. It would seem like a good move for both companies: Blackberry becomes a 'Nokia' and adopts the Windows Phone OS and then has their exclusive killer-apps. I wonder how fast they could get Windows Phone 8 running on the Z10. Also, I wonder what this would do to Microsoft's relationship with Nokia, though. I wouldn't want that relationship damaged at all.
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    08-13-2013 11:20 PM
  19. Jazmac's Avatar
    "Blackberry thrown in the towel, put company up on Craigslist." Fixed.
    08-13-2013 11:31 PM
  20. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    R.I.P to the RIM/Blackberry Empire
    w̶e̶b̶O̶S̶, S̶y̶m̶b̶i̶a̶n̶, B̶a̶d̶a̶, M̶e̶e̶G̶o̶ ̶ and now B̶l̶a̶c̶k̶b̶e̶r̶r̶y̶
    08-14-2013 12:02 AM
  21. smoledman's Avatar
    Between Skype, iMessage & Whatsapp who needs BBM?
    Laura Knotek and LastBattle like this.
    08-14-2013 12:13 AM
  22. cckgz4's Avatar
    I really hate that folks are anxious for Blackberry to lose

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    08-14-2013 02:25 AM
  23. gkrew's Avatar
    BlackBerry is looking to sell their north american interests not the entire company. Their Enterprise Mobility Management (EMM) and BlackBerry Voice Services(BVS) are used by companies still. Their Network Operations Center (NOC) is not going away either.
    08-14-2013 07:42 AM
  24. LastBattle's Avatar
    BB is useless at this point in time, I don't see the value of buying them.
    08-14-2013 09:24 AM
  25. gsquared's Avatar
    Too bad this headline is totally false and misleading .we have seen similar scenarios in many companies. don't count Blackberry out. They have a a lot going for them including 2.9 billion in cash. The BB10 software is superior and they just need to start licencing to has- beens like Nokia and Htc to get back in the race. It would be nice if there weren't so much trash talk against them but hey we are Canadian and we are used to it. The British used us for Cannon fodder until they realized we were actually winning more battles than they were. the Canadians were much better in dday and especially dday plus 2 and 3 rescuing the United states bacon. But hey you will live to hear me say "I told You so"
    LOL. Thank you for that. I really needed a good chuckle today.
    08-14-2013 10:29 AM
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