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  1. PureView's Avatar
    I haven't see it on my 1520 yet, I think its just the older chipsets in dual cores
    go to settings and open any one of the Nokia specific settings, like display or glance. See if you can see a loading... sign.
    01-26-2014 01:59 PM
  2. bobbob1016's Avatar
    I know Android is great when you go and test the Android devices in the store...but ideally don't take a contract bigger than 18 months. 12 months ideally as Android tends to age very quickly. Buy this I mean that after about 18 months (or less) the phone will start becoming more and more unresponsive with apps you have always used and many times you may no longer be able to open the app as you will have to force close it. On some Androids you may experience grey patches on your photos and dont get me started on the
    3G/HSDPA data connection issues (1 second your data connection is working, the next second no data traffic can go through even though the device shows your data connection is on and you have still got adequate network coverage). But you may be one of the fortune ones and not have any issues. But my advice is this, if you want android go for a device with Android 2.3 ginger bread as it is the most reliable version of Android. Trust me, there were several Androids in my house hold that gave different issues but one thing in common, they were all between 1 and 2 years old before they started to give hastles.

    And this is why I'm switching to WP when my Androids contract is finished in March this year (2014) # I have my sights on the L520 or L525 if you are wondering #

    Apple is just far too expensive and boring.
    I have a few questions, first, which company makes the devices you're having issues with? HTC, Samsung, Motorolla? Second, which carrier? I haven't had an issue (that I haven't caused) with Android, and I've had them since my G1. Not to say I don't like my Lumia, just as a point, none of my Androids have had any of these issues. I have done a lot of custom ROMs, and haven't had lag or anything, and have stock on my S4, with XPosed modules to customize it, and Titanium Backup because who wants to be forced to have Trip Advisor.

    I'm tempted to call this a FUD-like post to be honest, as I don't see anything specific here. Do you think if your issues were widespread, people would continue to use Android? I mean, lag, sure, it *can* happen, but there's cache cleaners. But, the data connection issues, I don't think anyone would use it if that happened.

    I like Android because it feels more like a computer in my pocket, as I can tweak whatever I want. I like WP because it isn't like a computer, it's a smart phone. Never had to go w/o my Lumia working because I tweaked it, but I have had to hobble along without my GS4 because I forgot not to mess with my EFS partition.

    Edited for clarity.
    01-26-2014 02:07 PM
  3. Westoncreg's Avatar
    go to settings and open any one of the Nokia specific settings, like display or glance. See if you can see a loading... sign.
    glance gave me a split second of it but all the other ones didn't have it
    01-26-2014 02:17 PM
  4. stalemate1's Avatar
    I have a few questions, first, which company makes the devices you're having issues with? HTC, Samsung, Motorolla? Second, which carrier? I haven't had an issue (that I haven't caused) with Android, and I've had them since my G1. Not to say I don't like my Lumia, just as a point, none of my Androids have had any of these issues. I have done a lot of custom ROMs, and haven't had lag or anything, and have stock on my S4, with XPosed modules to customize it, and Titanium Backup because who wants to be forced to have Trip Advisor.

    I'm tempted to call this a FUD-like post to be honest, as I don't see anything specific here. Do you think if your issues were widespread, people would continue to use Android? I mean, lag, sure, it *can* happen, but there's cache cleaners. But, the data connection issues, I don't think anyone would use it if that happened.

    I like Android because it feels more like a computer in my pocket, as I can tweak whatever I want. I like WP because it isn't like a computer, it's a smart phone. Never had to go w/o my Lumia working because I tweaked it, but I have had to hobble along without my GS4 because I forgot not to mess with my EFS partition.

    Edited for clarity.
    I agree with your reasoning and point of view.

    Manufacturers: HTC and Samsung-two phones-HTC EVO 3D (ics) & Samsung galaxy SII (gelly bean)

    Carrier: Cellc-South Africa

    The devices you describe as fine, have they at least run Android 4.0 ics or newer for more than 18 months or 1.5 years ?

    If so, then you know you were one of the few fortunate people to never experience problems with Android. But unfortunately for me, I was one of the many who did.

    Though to be fair, my android device is doing a lot better now, (still seldom that I have hiccups) but thats because I'm keeping downloaded apps to a strict minimum.
    01-26-2014 02:47 PM
  5. Localhorst86's Avatar
    My experiences with android are these:

    I owned a galaxy tab 10.1 that shipped with android 3.1 which was pretty much AOSP, aka "vanilla" Google. I quite liked the look and feel of the UI everything seemed more or less consistent. (At this point I should point out that I had already owned a HTC 7 Mozart for 1.5 years). Then a few days later 3.2 was released for the P7510 and that was the first time I was confronted with a OEMs "Overlay" UI to the vanilla android experience. Suffice to say it was horrible. It was inconsistent, some apps had a dark background others had a bright one. Even worse, the same thing happened in the settings menus. I could be lying in bed, looking at the dark background of the YouTube app (which, back then, still had a dark background) and switch to the settings menu only to be blinded by the bright background. I was then looking forward to the cyanogenmod versions of ICS (4.0) which turned out to go back to the stock, vanilla UI (removing/skipping Samsungs touchwiz UI all together) making a more consistent experience but turned out to be slower. Suddenly YouTube videos started to stutter, games seem to run slower etc. 4.1.1 made it even worse, lagging became so horrible I sold the device to get a Acer W511 with windows 8 that I am still happy with today. I then decided to half a year later give android another chance, this time with an android TV stick, namely the MK808. Android sticks were cheap at the time, as they really only contained the hardware that's needed. You'd hook it up to your existing HD TV using a mouse and keyboard as input. And while the MK808 was noticeably more powerful than the Gtab, the experience was still sub par and no where near my almost 2 year old Mozart. O still own the device, but seeing that tablet support in android is really not any good even by now (a lot of apps don't even run on a tablet) I am not going to bother with android myself anymore. So far and so long with my own experiences with android which, as I pointed out, are pretty much limited to tablet devices.

    Now for my experiences I observe with some of my friends using android devices. I noticed that my friends were often using iPhones (some even as old as iPhone 3GS) or one of the latest android devices and be happy. But everyone using a "budget" android or an older android device was pretty much unhappy. A few of my friends still rocking dumbphones or feature phones noticed this as well and asked me how happy I was with my Mozart. Seeing as I quite liked the device (despite a few hardware built issues) I could convince them to try it for themselves. I let them toy around with my device and they liked it. And even though I told them that windows phone 8 is around the corner and windows phone 7 devices (including the upcoming Lumina devices) would probably soon be obsolete and not upgradeable they still decided to go with WP and like it to this day and intent to stay on the platform (one is using a lumia 800, the other one a 900) and are still helping me to convince others to switch to the WP platform. The ones that always use the latest and greatest android devices don't seem to be annoyed by the fact that they have to replace their device every 12 -16 months.

    Long stories short: tablet support still is horrible on android, devices older than 12 months seem to be barely enjoyable seeing as all of my friends using android devices always have a recent, up to date device makes me feel that android offers too much choices resulting in too many unoptimized installations.
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    01-26-2014 03:33 PM
  6. All HaIIows Eve's Avatar
    Been using pretty much every newer Android phone, never had a problem.
    01-26-2014 06:45 PM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    go to settings and open any one of the Nokia specific settings, like display or glance. See if you can see a loading... sign.
    Anybody who used WP7 knows that WP8 loads settings slower and kinetic scrolling is not as good. It's a well documented issue and it's not brand-specific.
    01-26-2014 08:05 PM
  8. twincamfxd's Avatar
    Been using Android for years, most major brands, I have rooted/flashed ROMs, I have run them stock. I have never experienced any issue mentioned here that clearing cache can't fix.
    broar94 likes this.
    01-26-2014 08:28 PM
  9. broar94's Avatar
    Nops. I don't see any 'loading...' or 'resuming...' on my iPhone 5 when I had it. iOS doesn't run apps actively in the background. It's just that the freeze-unfreeze process on Windows Phone is quite slow.
    Ahh! sad to know that your 1020(2GB ram) does it too so it must be cause of Wp8 memory management or the chipset which does this. Will be great if MS fixes the loading issue and introduces quad core budget devices end of the year.. I see alot of loading screens on L620 but that's more because of the 512MB ram :)

    @mk33, thanks for the info :) . It's true newer iterations of Android have made it smarter in task management especially JB ..
    elmacho likes this.
    01-26-2014 09:19 PM
  10. broar94's Avatar
    glance gave me a split second of it but all the other ones didn't have it
    HI Westoncreg, do you see this loading behavior when going to different apps from recent app list?
    01-26-2014 09:21 PM
  11. stalemate1's Avatar
    Anybody who used WP7 knows that WP8 loads settings slower and kinetic scrolling is not as good. It's a well documented issue and it's not brand-specific.
    What's kinetic scrolling ? Sorry I'm completely new to WP.
    01-27-2014 12:36 AM
  12. stalemate1's Avatar
    Been using pretty much every newer Android phone, never had a problem.
    #note to all: if you have had no problems with Android then please indicate the Android version (it must be newer than 2.3) and also please indicate how long the device has been running that version of Android. (this is to take into account OTA updates)-thanks for contributing.
    01-27-2014 12:46 AM
  13. twincamfxd's Avatar
    I will say, I know people who have had these issues because they use app killers or task killers. After Froyo these things should never be used and will cause these types of issues.
    m3kk likes this.
    01-27-2014 12:59 AM
  14. Westoncreg's Avatar
    HI Westoncreg, do you see this loading behavior when going to different apps from recent app list?
    That I can say I haven't yet at all
    01-27-2014 02:23 AM
  15. ohgood's Avatar
    My experiences with android are these:

    I owned a galaxy tab 10.1 that shipped with android 3.1 which was pretty much AOSP, aka "vanilla" Google. I quite liked the look and feel of the UI everything seemed more or less consistent.


    Long stories short: tablet support still is horrible on android, devices older than 12 months seem to be barely enjoyable seeing as all of my friends using android devices always have a recent, up to date device makes me feel that android offers too much choices resulting in too many unoptimized installations.
    I'm sorry, please define 'support' for me. hardware? software? customer service ?



    I have two very cheap android tablets that have been nothing but rock solid for a year now. quad core setup with enough ram that nothing chokes it. but anyway, continue :thumbup:
    01-27-2014 04:45 AM
  16. bobbob1016's Avatar
    I agree with your reasoning and point of view.

    Manufacturers: HTC and Samsung-two phones-HTC EVO 3D (ics) & Samsung galaxy SII (gelly bean)

    Carrier: Cellc-South Africa

    The devices you describe as fine, have they at least run Android 4.0 ics or newer for more than 18 months or 1.5 years ?

    If so, then you know you were one of the few fortunate people to never experience problems with Android. But unfortunately for me, I was one of the many who did.

    Though to be fair, my android device is doing a lot better now, (still seldom that I have hiccups) but thats because I'm keeping downloaded apps to a strict minimum.
    Well, both those companies do load their devices with a ton of extras, and have heavy mods to the UI. Others here have said that vanilla Android seems a lot better. Touchwiz on my GS4 seems fine though it's heavily debloated by hand (I removed stuff).

    However, I'd be more inclined to say that instead of me being one of the few lucky ones, that you may have been one of the few unlucky ones tbh. As I said, if these issues happened with most Androids, I don't think people would stick with it. One thing to keep in mind, you've had the same Carrier (I assume) with all these phones, as well as similar apps. Could have been those too. Android lets apps do a lot more than WP so I'd be inclined to say it's possible it was a few bad apps. Also, have to ask, I'm assuming all apps are from either Google Play or the Amazon App Store?

    My Evo 3D is still running like a champ (I keep my old phones), as is my G1 and so on, I do have a custom ROM on it, just my two cents.
    01-27-2014 07:35 AM
  17. Rockfella's Avatar
    Your post made my day, I just bought the Lumia 525 yesterday and I am kinda happy for what I paid for it. I was confused what to buy : Andriod or Windows phone as I wanted best possible GPS. Just a headsup: battery is only 1430 mah and drains out almost rapidly.
    I know Android is great when you go and test the Android devices in the store...but ideally don't take a contract bigger than 18 months. 12 months ideally as Android tends to age very quickly. Buy this I mean that after about 18 months (or less) the phone will start becoming more and more unresponsive with apps you have always used and many times you may no longer be able to open the app as you will have to force close it. On some Androids you may experience grey patches on your photos and dont get me started on the
    3G/HSDPA data connection issues (1 second your data connection is working, the next second no data traffic can go through even though the device shows your data connection is on and you have still got adequate network coverage). But you may be one of the fortune ones and not have any issues. But my advice is this, if you want android go for a device with Android 2.3 ginger bread as it is the most reliable version of Android. Trust me, there were several Androids in my house hold that gave different issues but one thing in common, they were all between 1 and 2 years old before they started to give hastles.

    And this is why I'm switching to WP when my Androids contract is finished in March this year (2014) # I have my sights on the L520 or L525 if you are wondering #

    Apple is just far too expensive and boring.

    #note to all: if you have had no problems with Android then please indicate the Android version (it must be newer than 2.3) and also please indicate how long the device has been running that version of Android. (this is to take into account OTA updates)-thanks for contributing.
    Last edited by Rockfella; 01-27-2014 at 08:41 AM.
    01-27-2014 08:23 AM
  18. radmanvr's Avatar
    Things like checking your ram usage, clearing cache, clear delvek and these other tips are great and all but the average consumer does not know how to do this.

    With even a hint of technological knowledge you should be able to make anything run but this is not the case with everyone.

    Bottom line is things should work like its day 1 through its expected life span.

    Also, being the tech guy in my family I hate it when all 5 of my siblings and parents ask me how to fix their Android Phone.
    01-27-2014 08:35 AM
  19. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    I was an Android user from Eclair up to Jelly Bean (4.2). While Jelly Bean was a blessing over ICS in response and smoothness, it still couldn't overcome the problems I had with freezing and latency.

    On my Galaxy Nexus, running stock options, I couldn't have any more than three screen populated with icons or widgets before it crippled the performance of the phone. Granted, it started getting much worse with age but it never was great right out of the box, especially with ICS. Then started the random problems with the battery drain and wifi/mobile data switching not working. Although I think the wifi/mobile data problem was hardware. Comparing the Galaxy Nexus to my Lumia 928, there is a night and day difference. Both have 1Gb of RAM and 32Gb of storage. The 928 has more stuff on with more background tasks than my Nexus ever had and performance wise the 928 is 200 times better. Yeah, I know the 928 has a 1.5 dual core in it versus the 1.2 dual core of the Nexus but there shouldn't have been THAT much of an improvement, but it was.

    When my wife had the Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S 1) there was nothing but problems from day one.

    My Kindle Fire is almost useless. Talk about slow, unresponsive, and apps randomly shutdown. I factory reset the tablet once but it’s still a turd. The only thing was use it for at this point is so my two year old can watch educational vids and paint.

    I’m sure performance is much better with newer hardware but in my experience Android is more inferior.
    01-27-2014 08:39 AM
  20. PureView's Avatar
    Things like checking your ram usage, clearing cache, clear delvek and these other tips are great and all but the average consumer does not know how to do this.
    You're not suppose to do that anyway! Who said clearing the Dalvik is a solution? It's done mostly after installing a new ROM. And all these task manager apps create more trouble than they solve. The best solution is to just leave it as it is and let the OS figure it out.
    01-27-2014 09:33 AM
  21. stalemate1's Avatar
    Your post made my day, I just bought the Lumia 525 yesterday and I am kinda happy for what I paid for it. I was confused what to buy : Andriod or Windows phone as I wanted best possible GPS. Just a headsup: battery is only 1430 mah and drains out almost rapidly.
    How much battery life do you get from it and do you use it extensively ?

    This could be a deal breaker for me depending on how bad battery life is.
    01-27-2014 09:34 AM
  22. tekhna's Avatar
    I'm curious to hear your opinion. What version of Android do you think is the most reliable ? And what are your experiences with other versions ?
    4.4 is a dream, but truthfully 4.2.2+ is rock solid. Even 4.0 is fantastic in its way.
    01-27-2014 10:45 AM
  23. iBandar's Avatar
    That's typical Android device for you. Have been using Lumia 900 since past 2 years lag free experience. But MS needs to add more feature.
    01-27-2014 10:54 AM
  24. cckgz4's Avatar
    I would recommend you NOT get the 520 or 525 if you're worried about long term lag. I'm on month 6 and this phone is having low space memory issues along with TONS of lag because of the 512 mb ram
    elmacho likes this.
    01-27-2014 11:47 AM
  25. pseudoware's Avatar
    I know Android is great when you go and test the Android devices in the store...but ideally don't take a contract bigger than 18 months...
    Or don't sign a contract at all

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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    01-27-2014 11:50 AM
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