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  1. Phillip Deackes's Avatar
    This will sound like a shameless plug...and it sort of is. But anyway, all those who moved to Android from WP, don't forget to check out Nokia's Z Launcher https://www.zlauncher.com/
    I like the look of that! Hoping to get an invite to download it.
    08-20-2014 11:39 AM
  2. carlos12001's Avatar
    I don't want to presume, is there anyone in this discussion with a thorough knowledge of ios and/android who would be up for me messaging questions? About how things I personally find important compare.
    Cheers in advance if I get a yes.
    I can answer most thing about ios, and some about android. I don't mind some messages.


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    08-20-2014 12:35 PM
  3. Phillip Deackes's Avatar
    I can answer most thing about ios, and some about android. I don't mind some messages.
    Me too - I know a fair bit about Android and have been a long-time user of iOS and WP
    08-20-2014 12:42 PM
  4. carlos12001's Avatar
    Me too - I know a fair bit about Android and have been a long-time user of iOS and WP
    That's cool, I was actually replying to the poster I quoted. 😊


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    08-20-2014 06:26 PM
  5. Phillip Deackes's Avatar
    Yeah, I know, just got my quoting wrong, lol!
    08-20-2014 06:29 PM
  6. carlos12001's Avatar
    Yeah, I know, just got my quoting wrong, lol!
    Gotcha


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    08-20-2014 07:32 PM
  7. Brian McBride's Avatar
    I have had a 920 since they hit the stores, actually I got mine from an AT&T store that had it the day before release and they foolishly sold me one.

    I've been a WP8 fanboy who now can't wait to see what new phones will be announced next month so I can jump ship. I won't go back to iOS, so it sort of leaves me in Android waters.

    All the complaints from the OP I feel. For me, the best example is the Audible app. I listen to a LOT of audiobooks (my library is over 600 titles) and this app reflects what other apps have that cause WP8 to be a big failure in my book.
    1. Slow interface: Why it is that some apps take 10-15+ seconds just to display the next screen?
    2. Extreme CPU usage: Audible, even when you are not listening to a book, uses a crazy amount of CPU turning a WP8 into a space heater and killing your battery life. I've found this happens with other apps. In fact, the WPCentral app (in the past) has been its space heater generator.
    3. State loss: Want to return to an audiobook where you left off? Good luck. Audible randomly 'forgets' where you last were. Heck, sometimes the app will start playing in a random spot back in time. Audible isn't alone here, there are many apps where I might be using, go to answer a call or text, only to return and find my place has been lost.
    4. Non-existant: Alas, this is the biggest issue with WP8. Not many people care to develop for it. Here's a crazy thing, I'm a mobile app developer and I question if my company's time is worth developing for WP8. That's a problem when MS can't keep a fanboy developer.


    It goes beyond this though. There are new technologies springing up all over the place. As a developer, I see tons of opportunities with these, yet WP8 isn't close to being supported. It just isn't a platform that is taken seriously by the larger developer community.

    And I have to echo the loss of Microsoft moving away from their great ideas. Hubs are/were awesome. They should have been actively developed, not dismantled. Music is worse than the old media hub and I honestly don't need a music, podcast, video, etc... individual suite of apps. I don't want a cluttered screen.

    Why does MS constantly trash brilliant ideas?

    Then live tiles. Another great idea in theory, works like **** in practice though. So many apps (including Microsoft ones) just don't update their tiles well. It's a common problem I read everywhere. The phone should be smart. If I am in a charger and in WiFi, update often. If I am on the road, update occasionally. Better yet, monitor my usage patterns and update before times I'm likely to check my phone (I always check my phone at lunch for example). But, heck, I'd settle for apps actually updating (which most seem not to unless you run the app).

    Microsoft has had years to show the world how it's done. I feel like I've been a beta tester who has only recently gotten releases. And the "fixes" aren't addressing many of the core issues I have with the platform. I really hope that MS manages to get their act together. We need more mobile choices. At this point, I wouldn't recommend a WP8 phone to anyone. :(
    08-22-2014 02:43 PM
  8. scgf's Avatar
    Nicely put. I'm using the new ZLauncher from the part of Nokia not sold to Microsoft. It works so well on my Nexus 5. Interesting that Nokia is doing this.

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    08-22-2014 03:24 PM
  9. ricbon's Avatar
    man i might just sell my ATT lumia 1020 and buy a nexus i love the OS but the app support just sucks.
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    08-22-2014 03:29 PM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    I feel like I've been a beta tester
    That's currently my biggest beef with WP. I was all over it back in the WP7 days, anxiously waiting for its release on Verizon. I moved to Android before that happened, and then later I tried WP. But like you, I felt like a perpetual beta tester. I guess Android had advanced enough by that time.

    I know that WP would never advance if everyone left for iOS or Android while waiting for WP to mature, but I'm not willing to compromise in the meantime. Kudos to those of you who are! I'll wait outside and make the move when I feel that WP is there. I can't wait!
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    08-22-2014 03:51 PM
  11. Microsoftjunkie's Avatar
    Nicely put. I'm using the new ZLauncher from the part of Nokia not sold to Microsoft. It works so well on my Nexus 5. Interesting that Nokia is doing this.

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    Why is it interesting?
    08-22-2014 04:09 PM
  12. Silence#WP's Avatar
    I gotta agree, the WP8 Audible app is lacking. I have difficulty getting it to update my library, as you mentioned the battery hit is pretty bad, and you can't change the narration speed! I like to listen to most books at 1.5X or even 3x. I still carry an iPod in addition to my 1020 primarily for Audible. Amazon's support for Windows/Windows Phone has been pretty poor lately so I don't anticipate any improvements anytime soon. I'll likely take a break from WP8 this Fall and check back in next year once devices begin shipping post Threshold.
    08-22-2014 04:21 PM
  13. rumpelst's Avatar
    I made same move going from 920 back to Android with Galaxy s3. I was happy for 2/3 months when phone started to be laggy and I missed Lumia 920's camera. Sold Samsung and bought another 920. I hope Nexus as a pure google phone would be better.
    08-22-2014 04:25 PM
  14. DJCBS's Avatar
    Nicely put. I'm using the new ZLauncher from the part of Nokia not sold to Microsoft. It works so well on my Nexus 5. Interesting that Nokia is doing this.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    That's the only and real Nokia. Which is the lion share of Nokia (they just sold a division to Microsoft) ;) Glad you're enjoying it. Don't forget, they have the forums for feedback and they're building the launcher a lot based on consumer feedback.

    As for the reasons Nokia is doing it... For now I'll tell you this: Nokia is hiring (and re-hiring) Android engineers to their Technologies division (the one with the patents). Many talents of the D&S division where also moved there before the closing of the deal with MS. Now I'll let you put the pieces together ;D
    08-22-2014 07:00 PM
  15. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Many talents of the D&S division where also moved there before the closing of the deal with MS. Now I'll let you put the pieces together ;D
    You have a cite for that? I doubt it because it would be a clear breach of contract on the part of Nokia. In addition, since you support the "real Nokia" as you have repeatedly mentioned here on WP Central, you would essentially be supporting a company that defrauded a competitor by selling a pilfered asset to Microsoft. Since I don't think Microsoft's attorneys are so asleep at the switch to allow that to occur, I will assume you are full of it unless you provide some documentation.
    08-22-2014 07:44 PM
  16. DoeBoy's Avatar
    I have found that the 1020 was awesome in theory, but the processor and build quality killed it... I went through 4 brand new Lumia 1020's in this year alone... Never dropped or handled the wrong way.. Just plain bad build quality and poor hardware...1 of them had kicked the bucket after an official update...And I could not get anything but the runaround from Microsoft /Nokia... This is why I am switching...They do not seem to care about how they treat customers or what they release... The horror stories in the forums and social media is growing everyday along with more stories of people giving up and swithching
    08-22-2014 08:19 PM
  17. anon5658834's Avatar
    Nexus 5 battery life is terrible I've had two of them 😂
    08-22-2014 08:29 PM
  18. DJCBS's Avatar
    You have a cite for that? I doubt it because it would be a clear breach of contract on the part of Nokia. In addition, since you support the "real Nokia" as you have repeatedly mentioned here on WP Central, you would essentially be supporting a company that defrauded a competitor by selling a pilfered asset to Microsoft. Since I don't think Microsoft's attorneys are so asleep at the switch to allow that to occur, I will assume you are full of it unless you provide some documentation.
    1 - until a deal closes, a company is free to move employees from one place to another;

    2 - the deal is to buy a division, not specific people. Therefore, there's no breach of contract if folks get moved around;

    3 - "you would essentially be supporting a company that defrauded a competitor by selling a pilfered asset to Microsoft."
    I support a company that had to deal with a mole that went there with the sole purpose of devaluing it and sell part of it dirt cheap to that competitor.

    4 - The moves have been reported. Google it. At any rate, the information I have came from trusted sources within the company. But if you think I'll name them and get them into trouble, you're sorely mistaken.
    If you don't believe me, that's fine. I couldn't care less ;)
    Last edited by DJCBS; 08-23-2014 at 08:56 AM. Reason: corrections to words switched by WordFlow
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    08-22-2014 09:06 PM
  19. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    1 - until a deal closes, a company is free to move employees from one place to another;

    2 - the deal is to buy a division, not specific people. Therefore, there's no breach of contract if folks get moved around;

    3 - "you would essentially be supporting a company that defrauded a competitor by selling a pilfered asset to Microsoft."
    I support a company that has to deal with a mole that went there with the sole purpose of devaluing it and seek part of it dirt cheap to that competitor.

    4 - The moves have been reported. Google it. At any rate, the information I have came from trusted sources within the company. But if you think I'll name them and get them into trouble, you're sorely mistaken.
    If you don't believe me, that's fine. I couldn't care less ;)
    As I suspected, no cites and an appeal to "insider information." All adds up to zero credibility. And I suspect that you do care, because you keep inferring that Nokia didn't sell any meaningful assets to Microsoft and will soon return with a vengeance as a mobile phone manufacturer. If you didn't care if people believed you, you wouldn't keep posting it again and again. If you have information, please share, but spare us the patronizing "I know things that you don't know."

    As an aside, I recall the last time we discussed this issue, you were adamant that Microsoft purchased Nokia employees. As a matter of fact, you compared it to football teams buying and selling a player. Now you are saying "the deal is to buy a division, not specific people." Which is it?
    08-22-2014 10:50 PM
  20. DJCBS's Avatar
    As I suspected, no cites and an appeal to "insider information." All adds up to zero credibility. And I suspect that you do care, because you keep inferring that Nokia didn't sell any meaningful assets to Microsoft and will soon return with a vengeance as a mobile phone manufacturer. If you didn't care if people believed you, you wouldn't keep posting it again and again. If you have information, please share, but spare us the patronizing "I know things that you don't know."

    As an aside, I recall the last time we discussed this issue, you were adamant that Microsoft purchased Nokia employees. As a matter of fact, you compared it to football teams buying and selling a player. Now you are saying "the deal is to buy a division, not specific people." Which is it?
    1 - You don't seem to understand. I care about Nokia, what I don't care is if you believe me or not. I've shared what I can. They are hiring Android engineers, they are preparing hardware to be released to the consumer market, they are considering a return to mobile phones as a natural consequence of the work that's being done currently at their Technologies division. If I go into more specifics, I'll out the people who told me and that I won't do. Sorry. If you want, you believe me, if you don't want, you don't. I don't really care, I don't need your trust to be elected for office or anything alike ;)

    2 - They "bought people" because they didn't buy any of the technology, patents or anything relevant. That's what I said and meant then, and I stick by it. Yes, they bought employees. However, they didn't buy singular employees.
    They didn't say "I want Mr. Y and Mrs. K" and then Nokia moved Mr. Y and Mrs. K to another division. They said "we want that division" where Mr. Y ad Mrs. K happened to be. If they wanted specific people, they would have to have asked for them and made them offers. They didn't.
    I also told you what they did was simply bulk buy employees instead of going through the trouble of opening recruitment processes etc.
    08-23-2014 08:53 AM
  21. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    1 - You don't seem to understand. I care about Nokia, what I don't care is if you believe me or not. I've shared what I can. They are hiring Android engineers, they are preparing hardware to be released to the consumer market, they are considering a return to mobile phones as a natural consequence of the work that's being done currently at their Technologies division. If I go into more specifics, I'll out the people who told me and that I won't do. Sorry. If you want, you believe me, if you don't want, you don't. I don't really care, I don't need your trust to be elected for office or anything alike ;)

    2 - They "bought people" because they didn't buy any of the technology, patents or anything relevant. That's what I said and meant then, and I stick by it. Yes, they bought employees. However, they didn't buy singular employees.
    They didn't say "I want Mr. Y and Mrs. K" and then Nokia moved Mr. Y and Mrs. K to another division. They said "we want that division" where Mr. Y ad Mrs. K happened to be. If they wanted specific people, they would have to have asked for them and made them offers. They didn't.
    I also told you what they did was simply bulk buy employees instead of going through the trouble of opening recruitment processes etc.
    You originally said "[m]any talents of the D&S division were also moved there [to the Nokia Technologies division] before the closing of the deal with MS." The implication was that MS therefore did not properly secure the D&S talent, which Nokia was clever enough to retain through a pre-sale division transfer process. That scenario is absolutely inconsistent with the methods used to handle the purchase and sale of a corporate division during the due diligence period. First, the buyer always secures the asset during negotiations so that such pilfering cannot occur. That is commonly achieved by placing interim restrictions on the selling company, i.e., inventory and freezing of assets (including employees) and the use of non-compete covenants and other contractual mechanisms. MS can't control the employees--they can quit or seek transfer--but MS can, and certainly did, control Nokia's ability to dilute the asset pre-closing. Second, if any transfers were completed, it would have been because Microsoft deemed those employees to be non-essential. You are trying to make us believe that Elop and the MS attorneys either 1) didn't know who the talent was; or 2) negligently let the talent go; or 3) didn't care about what MS was actually buying. None of those scenarios is realistic.

    If Nokia returns as a viable producer after the non-compete period expires, it will be due to its ability to rebuild post-sale, not by some covert ransacking of talent that they pulled off as part of the sale. If you want to name some of the D&S talents that were transferred to the Technologies division, I'm happy to look at that and reconsider your comments. However, if this remains an insider information argument, I'm sorry it just doesn't add up.
    Last edited by BobLobIaw; 08-23-2014 at 10:51 AM.
    08-23-2014 10:41 AM
  22. 10curtains's Avatar
    I have had a 920 since they hit the stores, actually I got mine from an AT&T store that had it the day before release and they foolishly sold me one.

    I've been a WP8 fanboy who now can't wait to see what new phones will be announced next month so I can jump ship. I won't go back to iOS, so it sort of leaves me in Android waters.

    All the complaints from the OP I feel. For me, the best example is the Audible app. I listen to a LOT of audiobooks (my library is over 600 titles) and this app reflects what other apps have that cause WP8 to be a big failure in my book.
    1. Slow interface: Why it is that some apps take 10-15+ seconds just to display the next screen?
    2. Extreme CPU usage: Audible, even when you are not listening to a book, uses a crazy amount of CPU turning a WP8 into a space heater and killing your battery life. I've found this happens with other apps. In fact, the WPCentral app (in the past) has been its space heater generator.
    3. State loss: Want to return to an audiobook where you left off? Good luck. Audible randomly 'forgets' where you last were. Heck, sometimes the app will start playing in a random spot back in time. Audible isn't alone here, there are many apps where I might be using, go to answer a call or text, only to return and find my place has been lost.
    4. Non-existant: Alas, this is the biggest issue with WP8. Not many people care to develop for it. Here's a crazy thing, I'm a mobile app developer and I question if my company's time is worth developing for WP8. That's a problem when MS can't keep a fanboy developer.


    It goes beyond this though. There are new technologies springing up all over the place. As a developer, I see tons of opportunities with these, yet WP8 isn't close to being supported. It just isn't a platform that is taken seriously by the larger developer community.

    And I have to echo the loss of Microsoft moving away from their great ideas. Hubs are/were awesome. They should have been actively developed, not dismantled. Music is worse than the old media hub and I honestly don't need a music, podcast, video, etc... individual suite of apps. I don't want a cluttered screen.

    Why does MS constantly trash brilliant ideas?

    Then live tiles. Another great idea in theory, works like **** in practice though. So many apps (including Microsoft ones) just don't update their tiles well. It's a common problem I read everywhere. The phone should be smart. If I am in a charger and in WiFi, update often. If I am on the road, update occasionally. Better yet, monitor my usage patterns and update before times I'm likely to check my phone (I always check my phone at lunch for example). But, heck, I'd settle for apps actually updating (which most seem not to unless you run the app).

    Microsoft has had years to show the world how it's done. I feel like I've been a beta tester who has only recently gotten releases. And the "fixes" aren't addressing many of the core issues I have with the platform. I really hope that MS manages to get their act together. We need more mobile choices. At this point, I wouldn't recommend a WP8 phone to anyone. :(

    This app and the fact that wp8.1 doesn't work on my lumia 925 at all is the reason I am seriously considering the iphone 6.

    I can't believe after nearly three years with wp I am even considering switching to ios.

    I loved my lumia 800. Then discovered that there was lots of apps not available. It was never to be updated beyond 7.8.

    I got lumia 925, and one year later I'm in the same position again. I can update to 8.1 the official version but if I switch bluetooth on it knackers the phone. Reset fixes that, but then I have no bluetooth.

    I wanted to try the wunderlist app, I can't, it's 8.1 only. So as the phone had to be taken back to wp8 ,I can't download it.

    I use onenote, on my kindle fire hd, I can create new notes, I can't do it on my wp.

    No Nook app.

    Kindle app hasn't changed since I downloaded it three years ago.
    Amazon introduced Whispersync. I would find this really useful.
    On an iphone(tried it on my daughter's phone) you open the kindle app open the book and read. When you want to switch to the audible version you touch the headphone symbol and switches the audio version on.
    Now if I want to do that on my wp ,I open kindle app, take all day finding it and read book. When I want to switch to the audio version, I shut the kindle app, open Audible app ( spend half the morning getting it to open) and hope that the audible app manages to find my place.
    Audible is not even funny anymore. I need this app to work.
    Carrying two devices is not practical.

    I don't know what the battery life will be like on iphone 6, but my family all have the older versions and don't seem to charge as often as I do, and the youngest uses hers a lot.
    My nokia lumia lasts about 10 hours. No browsing on internet, and only a couple of apps running in background.

    I really like my 925. I like the way the home screen is. I don't like how ios looks. The reality now is these smart phones not only rely on the hardware but they also need the apps to function as well. At the moment that is not happening. So I am having to weigh up what is more important to me.
    The look of the phone or apps that I know are working, and will be updated .





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    08-23-2014 11:53 AM
  23. DJCBS's Avatar
    You originally said "[m]any talents of the D&S division were also moved there [to the Nokia Technologies division] before the closing of the deal with MS." The implication was that MS therefore did not properly secure the D&S talent, which Nokia was clever enough to retain through a pre-sale division transfer process. That scenario is absolutely inconsistent with the methods used to handle the purchase and sale of a corporate division during the due diligence period. First, the buyer always secures the asset during negotiations so that such pilfering cannot occur. That is commonly achieved by placing interim restrictions on the selling company, i.e., inventory and freezing of assets (including employees) and the use of non-compete covenants and other contractual mechanisms. MS can't control the employees--they can quit or seek transfer--but MS can, and certainly did, control Nokia's ability to dilute the asset pre-closing. Second, if any transfers were completed, it would have been because Microsoft deemed those employees to be non-essential. You are trying to make us believe that Elop and the MS attorneys either 1) didn't know who the talent was; or 2) negligently let the talent go; or 3) didn't care about what MS was actually buying. None of those scenarios is realistic.

    If Nokia returns as a viable producer after the non-compete period expires, it will be due to its ability to rebuild post-sale, not by some covert ransacking of talent that they pulled off as part of the sale. If you want to name some of the D&S talents that were transferred to the Technologies division, I'm happy to look at that and reconsider your comments. However, if this remains an insider information argument, I'm sorry it just doesn't add up.
    Here's the deal: many of those talents were connected with Android. Others were connected with technologies patented by Nokia for phones, patents which remain with Nokia. As Nokia retained all the patents, those employees were moved.
    Here's another factor you're forgetting: between the announcement of the deal - 3 September 2013- and the closing of the deal - 25 April 2014, Microsoft itself changed CEO and radically changed course. The "Microsoft as a Devices and Services" strategy is gone along with Ballmer.
    Some of those engineers that were moved were done so after Microsoft's shift. As you know, Microsoft is not going to keep producing Android phones (this was obvious). So those moved to Nokia's R&D division (which was and is part of the Technologies division) along with other talented engineers that Microsoft probably didn't need or wanted.
    Now, some people, like the PureView team, were moved INTO the D&S division too. The PureView team was part of the R&D. And some of them are still there (because the patents still belong to Nokia). However, others were moved to the D&S division and some moved to Microsoft and others decided they didn't want to move to Microsoft and moved elsewhere (namely, Apple).

    You are implying that I'm suggesting that Nokia did all the shifting of personal in secret. They didn't. I never said they did. I said they transferred talented, I didn't said Microsoft was oblivious to that fact. They would never be with Eflop still around at Nokia. If they tried, Eflop would have immediately called his pals at Redmond to let them know.

    By the time Microsoft finished the deal, they weren't interested in it any more. Actually, had Ballmer stepped down before 3 September, the deal would have never happened under Nadella.

    If you want examples of people that weren't transferred to Microsoft and were placed within the Technologies, you have the entire Z Launcher team. Nokia's old R&D team wasn't focused on this kind of software. The software was being done by folks at the D&S division. Yet now the Z Launcher is being done at Nokia's headquarters in California, which formerly only dealt with imaging tech.
    Also, if you want to have a glimpse at what's going on at Nokia, sneak around their job offerings.

    Here's the picture: The old Microsoft was going to be a D&S company with Ballmer. That strategy was bound to fail and as soon as Nadella took office, those plans were scrapped. However, a process to buy Nokia's D&S division had been started. So it has to be completed or Microsoft would have to pay substantial compensations to Nokia as per the terms of the deal.
    In the meantime, Nokia started to prepare their re-organization. Nokia has been many things but for the last 30-40 years they became a giant in telecommunications. It's completely absurd that anyone ever thought Nokia would leave the phone business. They have tons of patents. They have years of R&D. They practically invented the mobile phone market. They had a D&S division that was too big though. They weren't being able to scale things down and unlike Microsoft, Nokia was never too keen on firing people. Finland's own economy has been based around Nokia for years.
    With the sale of the D&S, they were able to shift the burden of dealing with that problem. In a way, it's similar to what the old Motorola had to to, although Motorola was never near the size of Nokia. And similar to what Ericsson did (though Ericsson sold everything mobile-related to Sony).
    Now that that's out of the way, Nokia can start to focus on a more streamlined strategy. Their eventual return to phone will not be done in the scale that old Nokia had. They'll probably focus only on certain markets where their brand is well established, like Europe. Maybe only on premium offerings. Maybe, instead of a gazillion phones, they release just one or two. None of that is yet set in stone, that's what's being discussed right now.
    In the meantime, Nokia is however free to release any other hardware they wish under other brands. And they can release software under their own brand (like the Z Launcher). For example, you should be seeing in the very near future, non-phone hardware from Nokia coming under the HERE brand (HERE, although a "part" of Nokia, is still a separate entity, much like Microsoft Mobile is separate from Microsoft. Therefore, HERE can release hardware, since it won't go against the terms of the deal between Nokia and Microsoft).
    And that's what Nokia's currently working on while preparing the future.


    If this still doesn't satisfy you, fine. If you still think it doesn't add-up, fine. Wait and see what the future brings.
    In the meantime, if you have an Android phone, give the Z Launcher a try. ;)
    I've already written too much AND went waaaaay off-topic here.

    No point in keeping high-jacking this thread.
    08-23-2014 12:37 PM
  24. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    I find many glaring flaws in Android-
    No official file manager.(Nexus, and some other phones).

    No moving apps to SD. (This was in 2.3, why did Google remove it? Are they crazy?)

    Apps don't close. If you press the back button, the app exits, but keeps running in the background. You have to go to settings and close the app.WTH?

    Lag is present eventually, if not immediately(Samsung= king of lag. Yes, even nexus too. I've not reset my 620 since I bought it last June, and it is smoother than my cousin's year old nexus 5 bought last year, which I'm using right now. Project butter, and now Volta, how long will they keep promising, lets see...)

    My biggest gripe- No updates. (except for nexus, name a brand that updates both it's budget and high-end phones for greater than 2 years. None.)

    Security is lax. Need to install an anti virus. (Search 🔍 for antivirus on WP. No result). Open source= open to viruses.

    No advanced camera settings. Show me an app that can do manual focus, like Nokia camera.

    Phone gets heated when using 3g. (Of the 7 phones I've tested, all of them have this problem. Not my 620. Why?

    Low, laggy performance on budget devices, unlike WP. Why? Seven years and they couldn't solve this problem.

    Lack of a camera button. Even devices with a camera button are not so functional with it as compared to WP. The Lumia 930 will take a picture faster than a nexus 5, when both of them are locked, password protection on.

    Piracy is possible easily on Android. (In India, very few pay for apps on Android. For example, my friend sees that asphalt 7 is paid on his phone. What does he do? He searches - asphalt 7.apk download, and installs for free. Developers earnings depend upon these purchases. Why does Google do this?)

    No default call+SMS filter built in, have to install an app for that.

    No carrier billing.

    IRCTC and NTES apps are not available. Heck, you can't book train tickets with your Android device. WTH? My WP can do this.

    Non availability of play store in some regions.
    08-23-2014 01:16 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    ^^Meanwhile, back in the jungle.^^

    Two guys just used up my data allowance over 4 posts. I guess y'all are tired huh?
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    08-23-2014 01:19 PM
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