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  1. Rick_Air's Avatar
    ^^Meanwhile, back in the jungle.^^

    Two guys just used up my data allowance over 4 posts. I guess y'all are tired huh?
    Hahaha! I was just about alright, but this last little comment took me over my unlimited amount. ;)
    08-23-2014 01:39 PM
  2. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I find many glaring flaws in Android-
    No official file manager.(Nexus, and some other phones).

    No moving apps to SD. (This was in 2.3, why did Google remove it? Are they crazy?)

    Apps don't close. If you press the back button, the app exits, but keeps running in the background. You have to go to settings and close the app.WTH?

    Lag is present eventually, if not immediately(Samsung= king of lag. Yes, even nexus too. I've not reset my 620 since I bought it last June, and it is smoother than my cousin's year old nexus 5 bought last year, which I'm using right now. Project butter, and now Volta, how long will they keep promising, lets see...)

    My biggest gripe- No updates. (except for nexus, name a brand that updates both it's budget and high-end phones for greater than 2 years. None.)

    Security is lax. Need to install an anti virus. (Search ๐Ÿ” for antivirus on WP. No result). Open source= open to viruses.

    No advanced camera settings. Show me an app that can do manual focus, like Nokia camera.

    Phone gets heated when using 3g. (Of the 7 phones I've tested, all of them have this problem. Not my 620. Why?

    Low, laggy performance on budget devices, unlike WP. Why? Seven years and they couldn't solve this problem.

    Lack of a camera button. Even devices with a camera button are not so functional with it as compared to WP. The Lumia 930 will take a picture faster than a nexus 5, when both of them are locked, password protection on.

    Piracy is possible easily on Android. (In India, very few pay for apps on Android. For example, my friend sees that asphalt 7 is paid on his phone. What does he do? He searches - asphalt 7.apk download, and installs for free. Developers earnings depend upon these purchases. Why does Google do this?)

    No default call+SMS filter built in, have to install an app for that.

    No carrier billing.

    IRCTC and NTES apps are not available. Heck, you can't book train tickets with your Android device. WTH? My WP can do this.

    Non availability of play store in some regions.
    I would write a long post in response to your question but I'm pretty sure this thread will get closed soon and my posts will be deleted.

    But in a nutshell I'll answer a few of your questions.

    Android doesn't need an official file manager because we already have a lot of amazing ones, Microsoft had to do it because back in the Windows Phone 8 days people really wanted a file manager and there we're no good ones, with the exception of one. But Android has a lot of file managers that work perfectly well.

    Apps can be moved to SD Card, that functionality was never removed.

    Apps do close when you press the back button, however if the app requires memory to give you notifications it keeps running in the background, no need to go to the settings app. I often don't even close my apps, and I have no issues with performance.

    IMO I've used a Lumia 520(same hardware with 620) for over eight months and it is in no way smoother than a Nexus 5, even when I've filled the storage completely. There are certain apps that stutter now and then but that's because of lazy developers, don't tell me that there are no "slow" apps on Windows Phone, the Xbox Music and Skype app we're painfully slow.

    Project Butter was implemented in Android 4.1, Android L has no performance improvements other than switching to ART, and you can enable ART even on Android 4.4(it makes the phone much more fluid).

    I've owned Android phones for over 3 years, I've rooted it, installed a dozen different ROMs, never used an anti virus and never got a virus.

    Open source is just that, an example of how "Open" Android is, not how less secure it is. Android is targeted for viruses because most people use Android devices, Windows Phone can also be exploited but since a very little percentage of people use it, no one cares to make viruses on it.

    As far as your Android doesn't give updates stuff. Do you forget that Microsoft doesn't have the best record with updates, we're Windows Phone 7 devices not abandoned? Was HTC 8S and Lumia 810 not abandoned?

    HTC, Motorola and Samsung are pretty good with updates, I hear that the Galaxy S3 got Android 4.4 KitKat.

    Heat management isn't the fault of phone manufacturers, it's an issue with Snapdragon SOCs, especially the 800 series. Many devices get heated up, a Lumia 930's back got warped due to heat.

    The new low-end Android devices running Android 4.4 like the Moto G and Moto E run most things very smoothly, go check out one of the many reviews about those devices.

    As far as piracy on Android goes, you can also pirate apps on Windows Phone, if your familiar with .xap downloads?

    Plus pirating is a disadvantage not to the consumer but to the developers and despite the piracy app developers make more on Android than they do on WP.

    The call+SMS may not be built in but you can get it from Play Store, no biggie.

    Plus in the end you go on to mention that Android doesn't have the two apps you like, I could probably show you over 100,000 apps that aren't available on the Windows Phone Store.

    I don't hate Windows Phone, I just fight the myth! :D

    Play Store is available in all regions, what are you talking about?
    08-23-2014 02:26 PM
  3. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    @salmanahmed

    "Android doesn't need an official file manager" The Android guys bashed WP for not having an official instagram app last year. We said-We have 6tag, we don't need the official one, as it's better compared to even the Android version" But still they said-"but it's not official,is it?" Customers look for official apps. For example, we have super sweet crush and candy village as pretty good alternatives for candy crush, but the customer takes a look and says" but it's not from king" Same for the irctc and ntes apps, which are not on Android. I don't care about the thousands of fake and garbage apps on Android, for eg, all those torch ๐Ÿ”ฆ apps that no one ever uses. App count is not important, the no. Of useful apps is.
    I don't get the partiality you have towards Android now?

    Call+sms filter needs a third party app, which is not from Google. Huge difference.I don't trust third party apps with my contacts.

    Apps don't close, Whatever explanation for try to come up with. I open subway surfers, exit it, and I open it again, it opens instantly. I open settings and find out that that is the only way to stop it. Can't even close from the task manager. Why so complicated?


    Show me a budget phone from a name brand that runs smoothly. Take a WP from a name brand, and I can guarantee that it will run smoother than its Android counterparts.

    .xap files if downloaded, cannot be installed offline as it redirects to the store and checks for the authenticity of the app. There is no possibility of piracy on WP. I'm curious, you say your have used a WP, so you should know this fact. Do you actually own a WP?

    Piracy is piracy and many devs are affected by it. Don't you understand, their bread and butter depends on their apps?
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    08-23-2014 02:47 PM
  4. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    @salmanahmed in regard to updates, read the below situation-

    Android-Galaxy s3,s2, HTC one x,x+, Samsung galaxy nexus don't get kitkat. Neither do any budget Android devices get any OS update.
    Apple- iPhone 4 won't get ios8, and already lacks features in the OS updates like Siri, etc. And I doubt iPhone 4s will get the ios 8 update.
    Blackberry-bb7 devices don't get updates to bb10. And bb7 devices are still being sold.
    Symbian-OS updates abandoned by Nokia, Sony Ericsson.
    WebOS-abandoned by hp.

    My 620 is a 2012 phone, and has got cyan+8.1+ update 1+ Cortana alpha, in 2014, 2 years later. Same for the 920,820,etc. And WP 7 devices were started in 2010, and received their last update in 2013. That is pretty darn good as compared to the other OSes,a support of 3 years. Including budget phones. My 620 is supported until 2017. What more could I want? I've got more updates than I paid for, keeping in mind that this is a budget device. Thanks Microsoft, is all I can say. :)
    08-23-2014 02:50 PM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    โ†‘ Hey guys, y'all are talking about the lowest of the lows on WP. The OP sold a 930 for a Nexus 5 not a 520/620. I think he's got a legit beef.
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    08-23-2014 03:14 PM
  6. salmanahmad's Avatar
    @salmanahmed

    "Android doesn't need an official file manager" The Android guys bashed WP for not having an official instagram app last year. We said-We have 6tag, we don't need the official one, as it's better compared to even the Android version" But still they said-"but it's not official,is it?" Customers look for official apps. For example, we have super sweet crush and candy village as pretty good alternatives for candy crush, but the customer takes a look and says" but it's not from king" Same for the irctc and ntes apps, which are not on Android. I don't care about the thousands of fake and garbage apps on Android, for eg, all those torch ๐Ÿ”ฆ apps that no one ever uses. App count is not important, the no. Of useful apps is.
    I don't get the partiality you have towards Android now?

    Call+sms filter needs a third party app, which is not from Google. Huge difference.I don't trust third party apps with my contacts.

    Apps don't close, Whatever explanation for try to come up with. I open subway surfers, exit it, and I open it again, it opens instantly. I open settings and find out that that is the only way to stop it. Can't even close from the task manager. Why so complicated?


    Show me a budget phone from a name brand that runs smoothly. Take a WP from a name brand, and I can guarantee that it will run smoother than its Android counterparts.

    .xap files if downloaded, cannot be installed offline as it redirects to the store and checks for the authenticity of the app. There is no possibility of piracy on WP. I'm curious, you say your have used a WP, so you should know this fact. Do you actually own a WP?

    Piracy is piracy and many devs are affected by it. Don't you understand, their bread and butter depends on their apps?
    How is 6tag in any way better than Instagram for Android? You can't even upload pre recorded MP4s on it.

    Some apps need an official version because the other apps are knock offs. And definitely not as functional as the official version.

    Your friends(or Android enthusiasts) might make fun of you for not having official Candy Crush or Instagram but no one cares if a file manager is official or not, as long as it gets the job done.

    It's a very big misconception that Android apps are mostly torch or garbage apps, Android apps are more functional and in greater quantity because of the openness of the Android API. I can find apps that lock my phone automatically when I put my phone in my pocket and turn it on when it's in my hands, I can also look for apps that open my camera app if I unlock the phone in landscape mode, I can chat with people using Fb Messenger while using another app.

    I just tried Subway Surfers and then closed it via back button, it wasn't taking up RAM and it had to reload everything when I opened it. What are you talking about here?

    You can deploy .XAPs from your PC to pirate apps, I've tried it myself while learning to develop apps for Windows Phone.

    Moto G runs Android pretty smoothly, check out some videos of it. It even has 1GB RAM so it runs more games than a 630 can.

    @salmanahmed in regard to updates, read the below situation-

    Android-Galaxy s3,s2, HTC one x,x+, Samsung galaxy nexus don't get kitkat. Neither do any budget Android devices get any OS update.
    Apple- iPhone 4 won't get ios8, and already lacks features in the OS updates like Siri, etc. And I doubt iPhone 4s will get the ios 8 update.
    Blackberry-bb7 devices don't get updates to bb10. And bb7 devices are still being sold.
    Symbian-OS updates abandoned by Nokia, Sony Ericsson.
    WebOS-abandoned by hp.

    My 620 is a 2012 phone, and has got cyan+8.1+ update 1+ Cortana alpha, in 2014, 2 years later. Same for the 920,820,etc. And WP 7 devices were started in 2010, and received their last update in 2013. That is pretty darn good as compared to the other OSes,a support of 3 years. Including budget phones. My 620 is supported until 2017. What more could I want? I've got more updates than I paid for, keeping in mind that this is a budget device. Thanks Microsoft, is all I can say. :)
    Budget Android devices or any budget devices didn't get updates on any OS for a long time, the low-end side of the market has become a focus since 2013.

    S2 was launched before Lumia 900 and it got updated from Android 2.3 to 4.1, S3 also got updated from 4.0 to 4.4 whereas Lumia 900 got till only Windows Phone 7.8

    Galaxy Nexus got it's 18 months of updates but it would've gotten more if Texas Instruments didn't leave the SOC industry(read about this).

    iPhone 4S is getting iOS 8, Apple gives around 3 to 4 years of support. Not all features are present but all features aren't present on your 620 as well(such as autofocus or brightness slider in Lumia Cyan)

    Plus your 620 launched in 2013 and it's not getting updates till 2017, Windows Phone 8 security patches will be valid till then but it doesn't mean your 620 will be updated till then, Google also provides security patches via Google Play Services to devices older than Android 4.x.
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    08-23-2014 03:15 PM
  7. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    @Salmanahmed my 620, heck even 520 has autofocus, what are you talking about?

    Yeah right, to get a game for free,a person will install the WP sdk, of download size 4 Gb, on his 64 bit computer, to sideload a 55mb paid game. Seriously, are you joking?

    My brothers canvas HD had ss running in the background even after closing it.

    Show me a device other than moto g with its performance, price and the kitkat update, from a renowned brand. You do know that google is selling the Moto and nexus devices at a loss? This will change when motorola is bought by Lenovo.

    Alright, I'll go by your words.
    Samsung Android 2.3(2011) device got 4.1 update.(2012)
    And lost support.
    Samsung Android 4.0 device(2012) got updated to 4.4.(2013)
    Samsung focus(2010) got updated to 7.8(2013) as did the Lumia 900(2012). A 3 year old device got the same update as a new device. Can you say the same for android? For budget devices?

    My 620 was announced in 2012. Check your facts. Also, every WP device wil get WP 9. Tell me one valid reason as to why not?
    08-23-2014 03:34 PM
  8. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    Of topic-how do you unlike an accidentally liked post? Lol
    08-23-2014 03:35 PM
  9. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    @Salman Ahmed "No one cares if its an official file manager or not" Would you trust a stranger with your bank account details? Your pan card no? Your office files and data? Because I don't.
    08-23-2014 03:38 PM
  10. salmanahmad's Avatar
    @Salmanahmed my 620, heck even 520 has autofocus, what are you talking about?

    Yeah right, to get a game for free,a person will install the WP sdk, of download size 4 Gb, on his 64 bit computer, to sideload a 55mb paid game. Seriously, are you joking?

    My brothers canvas HD had ss running in the background even after closing it.

    Show me a device other than moto g with its performance, price and the kitkat update, from a renowned brand. You do know that google is selling the Moto and nexus devices at a loss? This will change when motorola is bought by Lenovo.

    Alright, I'll go by your words.
    Samsung Android 2.3(2011) device got 4.1 update.(2012)
    And lost support.
    Samsung Android 4.0 device(2012) got updated to 4.4.(2013)
    Samsung focus(2010) got updated to 7.8(2013) as did the Lumia 900(2012). A 3 year old device got the same update as a new device. Can you say the same for android? For budget devices?

    My 620 was announced in 2012. Check your facts. Also, every WP device wil get WP 9. Tell me one valid reason as to why not?
    I'm not talking about autofocus. -.-

    I am trying to say that budget devices from most OEMs never got updates before 2012/2013, in 2012/2013 OEMs realized there was a need for budget devices that get updates and thus the Lumia 520, 620 and Motorola G we're born.

    Show me a Windows Phone from any other brand than Nokia that has gotten the same level of support and features in the low-end side.

    Don't compare a Canvas devices with devices made by better companies, Canvas has bad hardware and software and it won't have the latest features.

    I didn't have to install the SDK the first time I tried deploying XAP, there are dedicated tools for it less than 10 MB for deploying XAPs, very easy to do it.

    Motorola was sold to Lenovo and Lenovo will probably continue to do the same thing Google did, Nexus isn't going anywhere.

    Plus Android updates may not be obtained by every device but Google does make some of the features of newer versions available on the Google Play Store; such as Hangouts and Google Now Launcher. Maybe a 3 year old device got Windows Phone 7.8 but Windows Phone 7.8 didn't get app support very long whereas Android 4.0+ has most apps compatible.

    Tell me a valid reason why HTC 8S or Lumia 810 we're dropped for updates? Your 620 could just as easily be dropped.

    Android has had many kernel updates as well, from Linux kernel 2.6, to 3.0 and now 3.4 but Android continued to run older Linux kernels alive on their OS, which is why Custom ROMs provided updates for many low end devices for over 3+ years.

    I used to own a low end HTC Explorer, HTC never gave it updates but it got significant developer support and it has stable Android 4.4 with functional over clocks to 878 MHz(from 600 MHz).

    IMO even when an Android device is abandoned it can still be updated given that it has dev support, it could even run for over 4 years but once your WP is dropped, you can't do ****.
    08-23-2014 03:47 PM
  11. Geddeeee's Avatar

    I don't hate Windows Phone, I just fight the myth! :D
    You don't hate Windows Phone, but judging by most of your posts, you love Android!!!
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    08-23-2014 03:48 PM
  12. salmanahmad's Avatar
    You don't hate Windows Phone, but judging by most of your posts, you love Android!!!
    Judge me all you want, if someone was spreading lies about Windows Phone here(or on Android Central) I would've defended Windows Phone in the same way.
    08-23-2014 03:50 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    You don't hate Windows Phone, but judging by most of your posts, you love Android!!!
    It's not one or the other. I love WP but I'm starting to like Android almost as much. This "you're either with us or against us" stupidity must stop.

    On ALL levels of society.


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    08-23-2014 03:53 PM
  14. Guytronic's Avatar
    The Nexus 5 is a fine device.
    As always this age old discussion boils down to preference.

    This thread has been driven into the ground and is now running out fuel so it's time to move on.
    Closed
    08-23-2014 04:00 PM
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