07-19-2015 12:52 PM
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  1. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I've been thinking how to put this.

    I know many people yammer on about how specs aren't important for WP. Regardless how good WP is on low end hardware people will always point out it's low end and that MS puts a premium price on their phones. So you're going to get people looking at two phones, one with damn good specs and one with low end specs.

    Now of course that's not the whole picture.

    There's user experience. People here are going on about how Android is slow, laggy and buggy. Some users have experienced issues with WP. To state either is perfect is to not tell the truth. Just because your experience is great doesn't mean everyone's is. Then you add the lack of apps and lack of support for apps. I know some 3rd party apps are great but that is not a way to sell someone on your platform.

    Being a person who has a WP and has been using Android as a daily driver for sometime. I'm yet to discover what the fuss is all about with how people talk down Android. I have no issues with it and sadly the apps that caused me the most issues were MS apps. Though I still have them.

    I like WP. I hope it gets better and that the ecosystem improves with time. Unfortunately it has some way to go and the lack of a good flagship has turned a lot of people off WP.

    I've never been a fan of benchmarks personally. There's always debates on the accuracy of them. Sure it gives a baseline but how good is it? I rather wait for a good review of the phone and see what a reviewer says. Still the cost of the phone is ridiculously cheap and appears from first glance to be of decent quality.
    01-14-2015 10:53 AM
  2. etphoto's Avatar
    I have several friends with WP. That has always lead me to question the market share numbers. Anyway, the reason I posted here today was this morning I noticed a friend (that I didn't know had a WP) posted a question on FB about her WP and needed some help. I think there are plenty (of course not IPhone or Android numbers) people out there with WP.
    01-14-2015 11:19 AM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    Being a person who has a WP and has been using Android as a daily driver for sometime. I'm yet to discover what the fuss is all about with how people talk down Android.
    It probably stems from a hatred for Google more than anything else. I don't personally feel that way, but I certainly understand why some people do. If Android were somehow handed over to Microsoft and everything would remain exactly as it is, with the exception of everything "Google" in it becoming "Microsoft" such as services and data retention, I believe it would be well accepted here. One thing I'm sure of; its market share would be brought up once or twice... I don't think current Microsoft fans would have issues with Android's performance or reliability, or usability.

    Since this thread is about WP sales anyway; I found an article on Techcrunch from 2011 about Gartner and IDC predictions for the mobile landscape in 2015. Gartner, IDC: Windows Phone To Steal Second Place From iOS By 2015. I find it interesting to look at the actual numbers from several years ago.

    IDC's predictions today are more modest, but still fairly aggressive: IDC: Windows Phone to double in marketshare by 2018
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    01-14-2015 11:26 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I have several friends with WP. That has always lead me to question the market share numbers. Anyway, the reason I posted here today was this morning I noticed a friend (that I didn't know had a WP) posted a question on FB about her WP and needed some help. I think there are plenty (of course not IPhone or Android numbers) people out there with WP.
    Not entirely sure where you live, you might just be in an area where it's more popular. I live in the UK where it used to be over 10%, not sure if it still is, I rarely see them in the wild.

    3.5% in the US is still a decent number but it's nothing compared to the other two.
    01-14-2015 11:28 AM
  5. x I'm tc's Avatar
    Hardware specification don't really mean an awful lot when it comes to Windows Phone; the operating System has been engineered to give a smooth response on all supported hardware. What responds well on a 1520 will also response well on a 520.

    Android users make a big deal about hardware because Androids performance is bound to how fast the hardware is.
    This is crazy talk. Windows Phone is a festival of lag compared to Android.
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    01-14-2015 11:33 AM
  6. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    It probably stems from a hatred for Google more than anything else. I don't personally feel that way, but I certainly understand why some people do. If Android were somehow handed over to Microsoft and everything would remain exactly as it is, with the exception of everything "Google" in it becoming "Microsoft" such as services and data retention, I believe it would be well accepted here. One thing I'm sure of; its market share would be brought up once or twice... I don't think current Microsoft fans would have issues with Android's performance or reliability, or usability.

    Since this thread is about WP sales anyway; I found an article on Techcrunch from 2011 about Gartner and IDC predictions for the mobile landscape in 2015. Gartner, IDC: Windows Phone To Steal Second Place From iOS By 2015. I find it interesting to look at the actual numbers from several years ago.

    IDC's predictions today are more modest, but still fairly aggressive: IDC: Windows Phone to double in marketshare by 2018
    Well that 2015 is unlikely to happen unless there's a big shake up on WP this year with apps and hardware. As for 2018 that's fairly optimistic but considering MS has really moved much in the last few years it's questionable.

    I have opinions about all corporations and my trust level with all of them is the same regardless. Yes Google is the 'bad guy' at the moment but MS had that crown at one point. No corporation should be trusted by any stretch it's up to you to choose what you think is best.

    I'm not overly concerned by Google personally.
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    01-14-2015 11:35 AM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    This is crazy talk. Windows Phone is a festival of lag compared to Android.
    oooo... that's dangerous talk right there...
    01-14-2015 11:36 AM
  8. Athull's Avatar
    Here in a fairly rural place in India I see at least 5+ lumias a day(mostly 520). And almost half of my friends (about 9 to be precise) already own one.
    So it would seem the market share here much higher than any were else. Also everyone who owns a Samsung Galaxy is planning to never get a Samsung again...

    Coming back to the topic, I think Zenfone 2 will define the phones of 2015 and will start a chain reaction in the midrange like Xiaomi did last year with Redmi 1S only that Zenfones have a further reach and are not limited to online only flash sales...
    I will get myself one when it comes out, not as a replacement for my WP but for my Nexus 7 :)
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    01-14-2015 11:37 AM
  9. awilliams1701's Avatar
    If I actually gave a crap about specs on a phone I would have left WP a long time ago. I'll stick with my 1520.
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    01-14-2015 12:01 PM
  10. Prajjwal Dimri's Avatar
    Nice specs for a budget device, but I don't think specs matter too much for WP users..
    01-14-2015 01:10 PM
  11. etad putta's Avatar
    Nice specs for a budget device, but I don't think specs matter too much for WP users..
    Specs vs price matters. Makes the price of an 830 seem way out of line. If the 635 can go as low as $39, we should see an 830 for $239. The new asus line might slap a little reality into the competition if it starts to sell.
    01-14-2015 02:30 PM
  12. Marquis de Faux's Avatar
    I wish somebody would take an M8 of each platform and do an exhaustive side by side comparison. For months now we've had the perfect opportunity to test this argument, and yet it's never been done that I know of.

    Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
    Michael Fisher at Pocketnow actually did a very good comparison between the Windows and Android HTC One M8.
    01-14-2015 04:22 PM
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    01-14-2015 04:41 PM
  14. worldspy99's Avatar
    Before i start, i want you to know that this isn't an advert, this isn't a hate speech because I am just as excited as any of you for Windows 10 in the next few days and i'm not switching to Android or anything.

    That said, when i saw the specs on this phone, my initial reaction was happy and hurt, all at the same time. Because MS have got some serious challenge ahead.
    The Asus Zenfone 2, is probably the most impressive phone ever made this year and the year had just begun. Just on paper alone, this phone blows my mind to a million pieces, and then the price, it is CHEAPER, than an 830, the 2GB ram model is cheaper than a 735!!

    Full HD 401ppi
    2.3Ghz processor
    2/4GB of ram
    16/32/64gb models with Full SD slot
    5.5 inch display
    3000mah battery
    Customisable back covers
    Double tap to wake, Double tap to lock
    13MP back camera
    5MP front camera
    Starting at $200 unlocked

    And the reason why i'm talking about this phone is that MS is currently working on the 1330, we expect it to be released soon, and i'm sorry for being negative but i just feel like the 1330 going to be blown away by this phone. Even the camera on the Zenfone is impressive.
    If the rumours of the 1330 are true, that it has a weak SoC400 with a 720p screen, it is absolutely destroyed by the zenfone and i am willing to bet that the 1330 is going to cost more. However, I would be really happy if MS can prove me wrong. I don't want you to think I'm being down on Microsoft, i'm not, i just really want them to amp up their game for what they are about to face.

    I think what MS could do at this point is to make a deal with Asus and make a Windows supported Zenfone 2. Otherwise, i really feel this phone is going to take a hit on Windows phone sales figures. I know Asus and MS have a great partnership, i doubt it's hard to get Windows onto the Zenfone 2.
    A slightly asymmetric view of things:
    1] ASUS makes plenty of Windows stuff - PCs, tablets etc.
    2] The phone you mentioned runs on Intel SoC
    3] Most of MSFT software runs on Intel hardware

    Ergo,
    IF MSFT is smart about seriously sticking it to Android, they should take the specs on this Asus Zenfone and put in their PureView 20MP in the back and the Lumia 735 selfie camera in the front and start selling this at $229 directly on every single microsoftstore.com website they have in the world. And if they are really serious about their chops in the mobile business they should announce this on Jan 21 along with Windows 10 with the phones starting to sell on Feb 21.

    This would assure everyone that they are serious in this game and are not afraid of rolling the dice. This so called affordable flagship would basically shred anything else to smithereens simply because WP runs so well as an OS.

    Just my 2 cents.
    01-14-2015 05:54 PM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    Michael Fisher at Pocketnow actually did a very good comparison between the Windows and Android HTC One M8.
    Thanks, I hadn't seen that one! It didn't really answer my questions though, or the claims that WP runs lighter than Android. Even battery life was mentioned in passing, but no definitives. Performance differences were not addressed at all.

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    01-14-2015 06:07 PM
  16. Athull's Avatar
    Nice specs for a budget device, but I don't think specs matter too much for WP users..
    Specs don't matter for WP users? Well probably but how do u get more WP users?
    When a new user in the market who's open to buying either android or WP sees the Zenfone 2 and then looks at the similarly priced 730 which one is he more likely to pick up?
    That's why u need specs because it will make a world of difference when it comes to luring in new users.
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    01-14-2015 10:16 PM
  17. Jas00555's Avatar
    Hey, everyone, remember when the Moto G would instantly wipe out Windows Phone? Then the Moto E? Then the OnePlus One? Now this phone? Yeah... good times...
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    01-14-2015 10:38 PM
  18. Athull's Avatar
    Hey, everyone, remember when the Moto G would instantly wipe out Windows Phone? Then the Moto E? Then the OnePlus One? Now this phone? Yeah... good times...
    OP didn't say it will wipe out Windows phone, he said it would cause the sales to decline...
    Besides all 3 phones phones u mentioned are a lot different from this one.
    Moto G- It wasn't that much more powerful than its competitors and had the same 1gb ram. Besides it was let down by a terrible camera and lack of expandable storage.
    One Plus One - It was killed due to the invite system and the lack of availability. Besides its priced $350(at least here in India) and for that price u do have similarly specd phones.
    Moto E- It wasn't much better than a 520 to begin with. Sure it had 1gb ram(so did 525) but no flash and FFC makes it quite similar to the lumias of the range.
    01-14-2015 11:01 PM
  19. Jas00555's Avatar
    OP didn't say it will wipe out Windows phone, he said it would cause the sales to decline...
    Besides all 3 phones phones u mentioned are a lot different from this one.
    Moto G- It wasn't that much more powerful than its competitors and had the same 1gb ram. Besides it was let down by a terrible camera and lack of expandable storage.
    One Plus One - It was killed due to the invite system and the lack of availability. Besides its priced $350(at least here in India) and for that price u do have similarly specd phones.
    Moto E- It wasn't much better than a 520 to begin with. Sure it had 1gb ram(so did 525) but no flash and FFC makes it quite similar to the lumias of the range.
    Haha then you don't remember the threads. Many people legitimately said that Windows Phone is over because of the Moto G and Moto E. Either way, that wasn't the point. The point is that there is no one phone that it going to cause Windows Phone to decline making threads like this seem rather silly to me.
    01-14-2015 11:09 PM
  20. Jas00555's Avatar
    Thanks, I hadn't seen that one! It didn't really answer my questions though, or the claims that WP runs lighter than Android. Even battery life was mentioned in passing, but no definitives. Performance differences were not addressed at all.

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    I don't know about performance, but Verizon's website says the M8 for Windows lasts 21 hours compared to 12 hours on the Android version.

    HTC One M8 | Verizon Wireless

    HTC One M8 for Windows | Verizon Wireless
    01-14-2015 11:13 PM
  21. Athull's Avatar
    Haha then you don't remember the threads. Many people legitimately said that Windows Phone is over because of the Moto G and Moto E. Either way, that wasn't the point. The point is that there is no one phone that it going to cause Windows Phone to decline making threads like this seem rather silly to me.
    Didn't it decline? The latest reports said WP declined in most places compared to the same time in 2013...
    01-14-2015 11:21 PM
  22. Athull's Avatar
    Thanks, I hadn't seen that one! It didn't really answer my questions though, or the claims that WP runs lighter than Android. Even battery life was mentioned in passing, but no definitives. Performance differences were not addressed at all.

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    Here you go the battery life test rating on both. And yep it does prove that WP is a lot more efficient than android.
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    01-14-2015 11:32 PM
  23. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    Do you guys remember what Elop said?
    "Quad-core mobile phones are just a waste of battery, not all are so useful."
    LOL
    Stephen Elop says dual-, quad-core phones just waste battery life
    01-14-2015 11:47 PM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    Here you go the battery life test rating on both. And yep it does prove that WP is a lot more efficient than android.
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    Yes this has been around since M8 with WP was released. It shows that the WP uses less battery in certain scenarios, provided it's accurate. But battery life says nothing about performance. I can take my family vehicle and get a lot better fuel economy by simply driving slower. This was also done with a newer version of WP than Android. Lollipop, which is reportedly imminent, will probably even it up. Then WP10 might pull WP ahead again.

    I'm talking more about performance. Which one opens Facebook quicker? My phone is in my pocket, and I want to place a call. With which one can I do it quicker? Which one opens the browser and loads a web page faster? And, all these things can affect battery life in the real world. If I can do tasks quicker with one than the other, the screen is on less. That in itself will save battery. These questions have not been answered. This is what I'd like to see.
    01-15-2015 12:26 AM
  25. Jazmac's Avatar
    Sales dropped on ALL platforms when iPhone 6 and 6 Plus dropped but somehow, Sammy, Microsoft, LG, HTC and the like, continue to put phones on the market. Not because the iPhone had specs but it offered a different OS experience and a larger screen. It has ApplePay too but that is another post. Bottom line is, the only people a phone buying handsets with high end specs are those that know specs and that's it. That crowd is a minority of people buying smart phones and not the majority. I promise you. Most are not that deep with it.
    I also suspect this is one reason Microsoft isn't going 24/7 high end is because the majority of buyers will NEVER use all it can do and will only be confused by the feature set. Experience kinda tells them that.

    For instance, ask the average GS4 owner to show you how to get the phone the change web pages by blinking there eyes. Ask them if they ever use the hand swipe to change web pages. The GS4 has that feature but no one I know ever uses it and most can't set up its facial recognition to unlock the phone and most can't place a widget. Just because you have a "smart" phone doesn't make the owner smart anymore than a tennis racquet makes you a shoe-in for Wimbledon.
    There will be no mass exodus from WP because another phone has specs 10 people out of 100 think they can't live without. If they go. they are leaving for a different OS experience, not phone specs.
    01-15-2015 12:49 AM
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