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  1. Daniel Heithorn aka Schnittgemuese's Avatar
    Hi :)
    Just came from Twitter over to give my opinion.

    I am Windows Phone user since WP7 and the HTC Mozart.
    Now, 7years later and a 2years old Lumia 950XL in my hands, I had to look forward.

    As no new Flagship is on sight and any other device would be lower classified than my 950XL, I was like everyone else hope on a life signal of a Surface Phone.
    When Joe Belfiore then recommended, to move over to Android and IOS, my disappointment was unbearable.

    IOS was never an option for me, so I checked Android.
    My contract renewed and my contractor offered the Google Pixel 2 XL for free.

    Having the phone the first time in my hands, made me comparing it to the 950XL which losses the 950 immediately.
    The haptic of the Pixel is much better, it feels like one piece like a 920 or 1020 in the past.

    The UI of Android was something I changed immediately.
    I searched in the Playstore for the highly recommended Launcher 10 and spent 2,69 extra for the live tile feature. As a few easy adjustments and I had my full Windows 10 Mobile UI experience with Start screen and App list!

    I didn´t used the MS Launcher yet but installed manually Edge, Outlook, OneNote and OneDrive.

    From that moment, it felt from the start like a new Windows Mobile flagship!
    I am really enjoying the entire phone, the battery lasts nearly the double amount of time like my 950, despite the fact that both have the same Milliampere amount.
    Only missing there QI charging.

    The camera is outstanding and as good as the Lumia.
    Plus of the Lumia, you have many manual options to adjust camera settings to play around like exposure timer, iso and other things.
    For snapping pics in awesome quality, the Pixel camera beats the 950XL.
    For advanced photos, I purchased the well known ProShot app which makes the job as usual :)

    I disabled most Google services which are not really needed , using outlook with the contacts as my preferred contacts list instead of my newly created Google account.
    Only minimal minus point is the binding in of OneDrive in some apps like WhatsApp, not in Facebook or Instagram.
    Some make it necessary that you download manually the pic from the OneDrive app and then you can select the pic within the FB app, etc.

    Currently, I do not regret my move over to Google and the outstanding Pixel 2 XL.
    Truly a flagship!

    Best Regards,
    Daniel Heithorn aka Schnittgemuese on Twitter
    01-09-2018 12:48 PM
  2. redevall's Avatar
    Went with the Samsung galaxy note8 myself. (it was on sale over the holidays and I'm on Verizon, and my 735 was dying) hp x3 came too late. That said, I'd have considered the pixel 2 but the lack of micro SD storage was a complete no starter for me.
    01-09-2018 02:22 PM
  3. todd7900's Avatar
    I would have to say something else. No way would I ever go all in on anything Google, don't trust them and until/unless they change their revenue model to something other than selling ads, I never will.

    Personally, I'm looking at the Razor or Galaxy S(something) mostly for the headphone jack.
    01-09-2018 02:29 PM
  4. garak0410's Avatar
    This is a very good question but a hard one to answer due to the variety that is Android.

    Coming from Windows Phone, I was used to a great camera, so camera tends to be at the top of my list and the Pixel 2 XL doesn't disappoint. Since leaving Windows Phone, I've had the Note 5, Note 7, Note 8, Moto Z Force Droid, Pixel XL and Pixel 2 XL and I can say, hands down, the Pixel 2 XL has the best camera I've ever used. From all of it's praise, I was often left disappointed with the original Pixel's camera. Often, it would be fuzzy, cloudy, and get the "Halo" effect. I used the Note 8 for a few months and loved it's camera but truly, the Pixel 2 XL has the best camera available. Even the front facing camera has a portrait mode and it has taken stunning pictures.

    The Pixel 2 XL is also very fast, fluid and you do get the updates before any other phone.

    I've not encountered the issues that were reported early on the Pixel 2 XL. My manufacture date is October 27th and I am on all of the latest updates. I do see the Blue Shift but it is not a factor.

    I am not knocking the other phones I've tried and used and I may actually the consider the Note 8 once it is on Oreo, but for now, the Pixel 2 XL is my daily driver and may remain that for some time.
    01-09-2018 04:38 PM
  5. gar216's Avatar
    I'm currently using a 950 and have been using a Windows phone since the 1020. I'm begrudgingly looking to move to Android in the somewhat near future and have been researching/window shopping. I don't know how other people feel, but I find it very frustrating and cumbersome! So many phones with different specs, versions of Android, various manufacturer skins, and phones full of bloatware.

    Anyway, I'm starting to lean towards the Pixel 2. I don't need the size of the XL and have read the XL has more issues anyway. I like the idea of a straight Android phone and more frequent updates, though I really abhor the lack of a headphone jack. I've also read that the Huawei Mate 10 will be coming to AT&T (and possibly Verizon) which seems to garner very positive reviews internationally, but it is heavily skinned and will have plenty of bloatware. I don't particularly care for the Samsung Galaxy phones.

    I plan on using numerous Microsoft services on the phone, probably using the app Nine to continue using Outlook contacts/email/calendar/etc, and probably installing some sort of launcher (Microsoft, Launcher 10, Squarehome, etc.) So, are there other big differences between the Android phones to consider? Are the UI skins a big issue? Is the Pixel 2 a smart move? I'm not looking to buy one immediately, so I'll see what happens with the Huawei Mate 10.
    01-09-2018 06:13 PM
  6. gar216's Avatar
    This won't be short but hopefully it helps. I was a Windows Phone user for a while and loved the platform. I had an HTC trophy, HTC X8, and a Lumia Icon. I had the icon longer than any other device, even updating it to Windows 10 at one point.

    In mid-late 2015 I switched carriers and needed to buy a new device, and seeing that Windows Mobile had fallen out of favor with Microsoft, I decided to go Android.

    My Android phones have been in this order. Moto X Pure (hated it), Nexus 6P (the Pixel of it's time) and my current Galaxy S8+.

    Any Android device will let you use it with Windows services. I originally used all Microsoft services, then over time, Google's ecosystem crept it's way into my life and I use a combo of both. I did find that Android is more enjoyable when I let it be Android and stopped trying to use it as a Windows Phone.

    As far as the best phone, I originally thought I hated Android, but really I hated my Moto. I really liked my Nexus 6P, but a couple months after the Pixel came out, my device was bricked by an update. It was an update that came straight from Google, as the benefit to the Nexus, like the Pixel, is immediate updates.

    Huawei made the hardware for the Nexus, and was absolute nightmare to deal with, for repairs. It took over a month to get my phone back, but it wasn't mine, it was a referb. Within a week the phone didn't have signal for wifi, Bluetooth, or cell. Again Huawei was a nightmare to deal with. This time refusing to fix the device.

    In that time period I bought a Samsung Galaxy S8+ because the Pixel 2 was a few months from release. I don't think I will ever go back.

    Bottom line. Huawei customer service is terrible, don't waste your time. The Pixels are great, but fast updates aren't all that they are cracked up to be, a tested os is better than being the tester. Some of the manufacturer software on non Google Android phones, is actually really useful .
    01-09-2018 06:36 PM
  7. Triakel's Avatar
    I recently switched to a Pixel 2 after seven years on WP/WM. I'm still adjusting. I'm on Verizon, so my choices of flagships were limited time iPhone, Pixel, Galaxy, Moto and LG. I seriously considered the S8 and V30 for the wireless charging, cameras and headphone jack (the V30 DAC was particularly tempting). My heart was with the V30 (despite its noted flaws), but I went with Pixel 2 for price (Verizon had a $300 off deal), timely updates and form factor. I have a toddler, and am concerned about the fragility of glass-backed, near bezel-less phones. I didn't feel like paying $700-850 plus tax to find out whether I was overly concerned about breakage. I've made peace with the Pixel 2's lack of wireless charging and headphone jack. Fast charging by wire, and the addition of an aptX wireless DAC/AMP eased my concerns. I started out thinking I would "Microsoftize" the phone and eschew Google services, but I'm finding that inertia is pulling me toward the latter. I'm using MS Launcher, Outlook, To-do and some other MS apps, but am rapidly becoming accustomed to Android's ecosystem and design language. I'm already considering ditching Outlook for Gmail/Google Calendar, OneDrive for Google Drive, MS Office for Google Docs, etc. Without the anchor of Windows Mobile, I'm feeling less desire to stay enmeshed in the MS ecosystem. We'll see how it goes these next few months.
    01-09-2018 09:58 PM
  8. badtzbuzz's Avatar
    I slowly transferred my family to Google. First with wife to Nexus 6p, Oldest child to Pixel 2, youngest child to Pixel 2. I chose those for them because of the pre Android software and experience and the fast and consistent updates mean I desk with less problems and questions. I slowly transitioned from my windows phone years, to HTC 9, 10, now a Axon 7... with Microsoft launcher and Android apps. the Scion is a great phone but the native apps are lacking, so I went Google apps with Microsoft services.... Cortana is not great on Android or iOS, but I use it to track my schedule, then switch to Google Assistant to handle voice commands.
    01-10-2018 01:30 AM
  9. badtzbuzz's Avatar
    I slowly transferred my family to Google. First with wife to Nexus 6p, Oldest child to Pixel 2, youngest child to Pixel 2. I chose those for them because of the Android software and experience and the fast and consistent updates mean I desk with less problems and questions. I slowly transitioned from my windows phone years, to HTC 9, 10, now a Axon 7... with Microsoft launcher and Android apps. the Scion is a great phone but the native apps are lacking, so I went Google apps with Microsoft services.... Cortana is not great on Android or iOS, but I use it to track my schedule, then switch to Google Assistant to handle voice commands.
    01-10-2018 01:30 AM
  10. Martin Plamondon's Avatar
    Pixel would be great because it's pure Android with updates right away, but no MicroSD and no headphone jack kills it for me.
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    01-10-2018 08:58 AM
  11. alodar101's Avatar
    Only ever was on Windows phone or one of its many variants. Changed over around may of this past year. Started with iOS 7, then a note 8. Then the pixel 2 came along. There iOS went away. The note 8 is now rarely used. I use the Microsoft launcher and Bing services, along with One Drive. But I try to stick with stock services on the phone otherwise. I would have liked Cortana, but unless voice is enabled without a bottom click it will always any as an add-on. I use edge because I like it. Office, of course. All email through Outlook. The pixel allows me to blend what I liked about Windows phone with a new experience. By themselves, iOS, Android, or Windows phone are not perfect. Blended, they are better. Android makes it easier to blend. And the pixel is less complicated than the Samsung devices. Besides that... I'm not sure Zac has both feet in reality... Must have been dropped as a young one.
    01-10-2018 10:54 AM
  12. welsbloke's Avatar
    As someone who made the move from the 950XL to the Pixel 2 XL I am less than impressed. The only thing which is better are the apps and even then bizarrely I have discovered that one or two are actually worse (basically as they were wrappers the online versions support more features than the Android app) this is definitely the exception though. Also as a UK person I do use the tap to pay but again as a UK person who has been using contactless payments via a card for literally years this is hardly groundbreaking.

    This was a business phone and I think this is primarily my issue. The Windows Phone worked so well with Office 365 its a huge backwards step to move to the Google platform. I find it incredible frustrating I cannot change my default mail and calendar function to Outlook and so cannot make use of a bunch of features which only really work if you commit to switching to Google mail and calendar.

    The camera may be better on the Pixel but the camera on the 950 was no slouch so really the benefit is small.

    Oh and not lets forget the other big pain in the behind the text service that has worked in every car I have had with Bluetooth since Windows mobile 7 no longer works. My car now only makes a noise and I have fiddle about to find the message on the car screen then cannot reply unless its a canned message. Really missing the reading the text aloud and responding via voice. This seems to only work in cars that have specifically designed Android or Apple in mind whereas Microsoft found a way for this to work in pretty much all cars years ago, bad Microsoft.

    Just remember one other thing the Pixel definitely has over the 950 XL is battery life. The 950XL had pretty good battery life or so I thought but my Pixel 2 XL last 2 or 3 days. This is probably testament to how I use the phone though which is less since looking at it tells me nothing and I have to switch it on and look notifications, I mean so yesterday.

    That all said, Microsoft dropped the ball it is what it is so I can harp on about all the things I miss but this is what I have now its just not as good for me in daily use.
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    01-10-2018 01:09 PM
  13. garak0410's Avatar
    Only ever was on Windows phone or one of its many variants. Changed over around may of this past year. Started with iOS 7, then a note 8. Then the pixel 2 came along. There iOS went away. The note 8 is now rarely used. I use the Microsoft launcher and Bing services, along with One Drive. But I try to stick with stock services on the phone otherwise. I would have liked Cortana, but unless voice is enabled without a bottom click it will always any as an add-on. I use edge because I like it. Office, of course. All email through Outlook. The pixel allows me to blend what I liked about Windows phone with a new experience. By themselves, iOS, Android, or Windows phone are not perfect. Blended, they are better. Android makes it easier to blend. And the pixel is less complicated than the Samsung devices. Besides that... I'm not sure Zac has both feet in reality... Must have been dropped as a young one.
    I truly cannot go back to my Note 8 now that I have a Pixel 2 XL, even if it has it's advantages. I just never knew how intrusive Bixby and the Samsung App Store and Apps was. Want it cleaner...
    01-11-2018 09:18 AM
  14. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    I saw the Pixel 2 also comes with unlimited Photo uploads - is that true.

    Also, if you are going to Android - go to Google - all in! Why use anything MS?
    01-14-2018 09:22 PM
  15. dov1978's Avatar
    There is so much malware in the google store..i am not sure if i can get behind any android and Google can't be really trusted all things considering they love to hoard data about you and just recently it was released they were still tracking and storing peoples locations even after they disabled location services...i am not sure Google is reputable when it comes to consumer privacy.
    If you think for one second that Microsoft isn't harvesting and selling your data too then you're grossly mistaken. Google is just more upfront about what they do with your data
    Last edited by dov1978; 01-15-2018 at 10:17 AM.
    01-15-2018 04:45 AM
  16. tgp's Avatar
    If you think for one second that Microsoft aren't harvesting and selling your date too then you're grossly mistaken. Google is just more upfront about what they do with your data
    This is what I believe; they do the same things, but Google is more upfront about it. That's why we think they're worse.
    01-15-2018 07:29 AM
  17. G4Grandad's Avatar
    I agree. I suggest they sign in to Android Central and read an excellent article that explains what Google does, and doesn't do, with our data
    01-15-2018 08:28 AM
  18. garak0410's Avatar
    I saw the Pixel 2 also comes with unlimited Photo uploads - is that true.

    Also, if you are going to Android - go to Google - all in! Why use anything MS?
    Unlimited storage until 2021
    01-15-2018 03:08 PM
  19. darrell reimer's Avatar
    The best android phone right now, arguably, is the Samsung S8 plus.
    Great battery life and big screen in a small format.
    Believe me Sammy also did the software right.
    I agree. I'm test driving an S8+, and really like it. I need expandable storage, which is missing from the Pixel. Plus, i've always loved the Samsung cameras. My first Windows phone was an ATIV S; loved it!!! Then, moved up to the ATIV SE; fantastic phone, way ahead of its time. The cameras on these Samsung phones were awesome. Yes - my 950 XL has an amazing camera, but so far, my S8+ camera is just as good...
    01-15-2018 11:25 PM
  20. neo158's Avatar
    While the Pixel devices are great they are also extremely expensive for what they are. I use a Nokia 8 and I'm really happy with it, especially the little Windows Phone/10 Mobile things that have been added on top of a relatively stock version of Android. Couple that with the fact that the Nokia 8 WILL get the pro camera app from the Nokia 8 Sirocco, which looks very much like the camera app from Nokia Windows Phones, and Android P I would say that it's probably the best phone for Windows Phone users. When you consider that HMD Global are based in Finland opposite the Nokia HQ and are staffed by ex-Nokia and Microsoft employees then the Windows Phone influence is understandable.
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    03-05-2018 08:10 AM
  21. neo158's Avatar
    As someone who made the move from the 950XL to the Pixel 2 XL I am less than impressed. The only thing which is better are the apps and even then bizarrely I have discovered that one or two are actually worse (basically as they were wrappers the online versions support more features than the Android app) this is definitely the exception though. Also as a UK person I do use the tap to pay but again as a UK person who has been using contactless payments via a card for literally years this is hardly groundbreaking.

    This was a business phone and I think this is primarily my issue. The Windows Phone worked so well with Office 365 its a huge backwards step to move to the Google platform. I find it incredible frustrating I cannot change my default mail and calendar function to Outlook and so cannot make use of a bunch of features which only really work if you commit to switching to Google mail and calendar.

    The camera may be better on the Pixel but the camera on the 950 was no slouch so really the benefit is small.

    Oh and not lets forget the other big pain in the behind the text service that has worked in every car I have had with Bluetooth since Windows mobile 7 no longer works. My car now only makes a noise and I have fiddle about to find the message on the car screen then cannot reply unless its a canned message. Really missing the reading the text aloud and responding via voice. This seems to only work in cars that have specifically designed Android or Apple in mind whereas Microsoft found a way for this to work in pretty much all cars years ago, bad Microsoft.

    Just remember one other thing the Pixel definitely has over the 950 XL is battery life. The 950XL had pretty good battery life or so I thought but my Pixel 2 XL last 2 or 3 days. This is probably testament to how I use the phone though which is less since looking at it tells me nothing and I have to switch it on and look notifications, I mean so yesterday.

    That all said, Microsoft dropped the ball it is what it is so I can harp on about all the things I miss but this is what I have now its just not as good for me in daily use.
    Not sure if you're aware but Google Pay allows you to pay via contactless for amounts over the £30 limit that cards have so not ground-breaking but certainly more convenient.
    03-13-2018 10:33 PM
  22. Ejay Lozano's Avatar
    I would wait on the Nokia 8 Sirocco. That phone seems like a good transition from my L950 to an android phone. Good camera (Zeiss optics), wireless charging 128GB of storage
    03-14-2018 12:19 AM
  23. neo158's Avatar
    I would wait on the Nokia 8 Sirocco. That phone seems like a good transition from my L950 to an android phone. Good camera (Zeiss optics), wireless charging 128GB of storage
    TBH I don't really see anything in the Nokia 8 Sirocco that's worth waiting for. The Nokia 8 already has a 128GB version and better resolution cameras, also with Zeiss optics. Wireless charging couldn't be added as the Nokia 8 uses aluminium instead of glass, not only that but it's a gimmick and not even truly wireless, it's known as inductive charging, as the "plate" still has to be plugged into the wall and the phone has to stay in contact with it. I also think that with the Sirocco HMD Global missed the perfect opportunity to add the Snapdragon 845 into a high end device, so really the only major difference is the extra 2GB of RAM, not really worth the increased cost if you ask me.
    03-26-2018 04:34 AM
  24. Ejay Lozano's Avatar
    TBH I don't really see anything in the Nokia 8 Sirocco that's worth waiting for. The Nokia 8 already has a 128GB version and better resolution cameras, also with Zeiss optics. Wireless charging couldn't be added as the Nokia 8 uses aluminium instead of glass, not only that but it's a gimmick and not even truly wireless, it's known as inductive charging, as the "plate" still has to be plugged into the wall and the phone has to stay in contact with it. I also think that with the Sirocco HMD Global missed the perfect opportunity to add the Snapdragon 845 into a high end device, so really the only major difference is the extra 2GB of RAM, not really worth the increased cost if you ask me.
    i just miss all those features coming from a lumia to an android phone. I'm gonna miss that physical 2 stage camera button though. No modern phones have camera buttons these day.
    03-29-2018 01:25 AM
  25. randyoaks187's Avatar
    I finally moved on from my 950 to a Pixel 2. I couldn't wait any longer and agonized over the S2 or the Pixel 2.

    I ended up going with the Pixel 2, but as much as the software on the Pixel 2 might be better I really miss a lot of the features that were on my 950 that the S9 has that the Pixel doesn't, like the 3.5mm jack and wireless charging. The one thing I really didn't like about the S9 was the curved edges. I think if Samsung come out with a flat faced phone with an in-screen fingerprint scanner (whilst keeping wireless charging and the headphone jack) I would upgrade to get what presumably would the S10. Or of Nokia comes out with the Nokia 9 which checks all these boxes, I would upgrade to that.

    Anyway, all that was just a bunch of back story into my questions regarding the Pixel. I have set it up as best I can with all MS services (I wish MS would come out with some push button solution to installing and setting up an Android "The Microsoft Way". Going through all the settings is a pain. One of the major things I am not liking is any of the voice input to text message. Cortana was so great at that on windows phone, particularly with punctuation inserting. I am not seeing that on Android (is that a setting?), and more importantly, when I input a text message with voice, on W10M I used to get the prompt to send the text, to which i could respond with my voice to send it and keep texting truly hands free. I have not found a way to do thin in Android yet.

    On a similar note, I was looking at getting some new headphones, and I was intrigued by the Pixel Buds, only from the standpoint of if they will use Cortana, if I have replaced the google assistant with Cortana on my phone. Anyone out there know about that?
    04-01-2018 05:18 AM
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