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  1. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I don't get how they can just let these big name apps not be available for their platform. I mean they are not the top tech company in the world anymore, they are still MS and have a lot of pull, and plenty of money to throw at devs.
    09-25-2012 09:04 AM
  2. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Hi,

    The op here again. Whether it has been 2 or 3 years, I still think that they should be ahead of where they are now. These Lumias are perhaps their last chance to make a major impact.

    As to what apps I use, I don't game. The list is endless suffice to say that I could spend hours on the app store and still be busy. Having bought my 710, all the decent apps took 20 mins to find.
    Fact is, Windows Phone achieved 100,000 apps FASTER than either iOS or Android. I will grant you they are missing a lot of popular/trendy apps, but to say the quality argument is a copout, considering that they both have an endless supply of crapps.

    Why is it that when a person criticizes the quality of apps on WP7 or lack thereof then they get flamed for it? You guys are really starting to polarize the outsiders by that attitude. I see the OPs claim as legit. There are tons of apps, but a great deal of garbage ones on the marketplace. Don't jump on the OP, he actually has a WP7 device. He is not just an outsider, so take his comment into consideration as a person who was willing to try out our favorite platform. If he thinks of the marketplace like that, then you can only imagine how many others think like that or will think like that as well.
    Why is it that you're so sensitive about a discussion? I haven't seen a post yet flame him or criticize him. In fact, we all agree that major apps are missing. The question is perfectly valid to ask him to better justify his complaint... what apps are being used?

    I say it's valid, because you may love a particular Twitter app on iOS, but it doesn't exist on WP... however, there are good Twitter apps out there on WP. If you're looking for Instagram, though, you're out of luck.

    But imagine if you're about to dump WP because you can't find or hate the default Twitter app and maybe that's the biggest thing you do. I can't judge for that, but I can help you find a good alternative.

    If I came on here and started trashing him as an ***** for not liking the native Twitter app, and didn't provide an alternative, then you'd be right (and I'd be pretty embarrassed).
    09-25-2012 09:52 AM
  3. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Fact is, Windows Phone achieved 100,000 apps FASTER than either iOS or Android. I will grant you they are missing a lot of popular/trendy apps, but to say the quality argument is a copout, considering that they both have an endless supply of crapps.



    Why is it that you're so sensitive about a discussion? I haven't seen a post yet flame him or criticize him. In fact, we all agree that major apps are missing. The question is perfectly valid to ask him to better justify his complaint... what apps are being used?

    I say it's valid, because you may love a particular Twitter app on iOS, but it doesn't exist on WP... however, there are good Twitter apps out there on WP. If you're looking for Instagram, though, you're out of luck.

    But imagine if you're about to dump WP because you can't find or hate the default Twitter app and maybe that's the biggest thing you do. I can't judge for that, but I can help you find a good alternative.

    If I came on here and started trashing him as an ***** for not liking the native Twitter app, and didn't provide an alternative, then you'd be right (and I'd be pretty embarrassed).
    Hi. I am not just talking about this thread, but many other threads in general get the flame bait because a member said something about the apps in the WP marketplace. I've never been a victim of this, but I've sat and watched others get flamed,and it reminded me of when I used android and people said the same thing about some android apps way back then. While you guys say there might be an app that can do what the big named apps do, I sometimes find that they can't. They are usually missing a feature or two. Most of the apps I use are missing a feature or two. Missing toast notifications, live tile support, or something else. And some of the live tiles update very infrequent. Some apps are good, but you can't honestly say there is an app on WP that can do exactly everything the best apps on Android or iOS does.

    I know there are plenty of great apps on WP. I should have stated that my post was not simply for this OP, but for the many other posters who get flamed for questioning the quality or quantity of WP apps. I'm sorry for sounding sensitive. There we go. I said it. Lol. :lol:
    09-25-2012 02:16 PM
  4. KeilwerthSX90R's Avatar
    I'm in the same boat. Tried WP7. Really like the OS and Email but I won't switch without certain apps. The apps I'm waiting on before switching are Starbucks, Uber, United Airlines, and Concur. Sure, I could live without all of these, but why would I? WP8 looks great but not great enough to leave behind Apps I use everyday.
    09-25-2012 02:28 PM
  5. jmshub's Avatar
    I've been having this conversation with my sister. She has an iPhone4. She is fed up with the iphone and up for renewal in November. I am trying to convince her to get a WP, and she is actually receptive. The downside for her, is those dumb games that get hot and everyone talks about. Draw Something, SongPop, etc. Marquee apps trickle in one or two at a time, but it would be great to see that major roadblock for a lot of people dissolve.

    In a month, she could either buy a Lumia 920 or an iphone5. I'd like to have a good reason for her to leave Verizon with a WP8.
    09-25-2012 09:16 PM
  6. Reflexx's Avatar
    Apps will come with market share.

    The good news is that with WinRT and Windows8 launching soon with similar code bases. So that market share may entice a lot of developers. And porting to Windows Phone will be a pretty painless and quick process.
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    09-25-2012 09:29 PM
  7. mrozanski's Avatar
    I'm not leaving, but those apps would be wonderful. No fantasy football app from yahoo is ******* me off.

    I think BE is the most hated app in the world. LOL, and the dev don't give AF.
    Look at Monster Football. It let's you manage both ESPN and Yahoo teams.
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    09-26-2012 07:53 AM
  8. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Ita not showing up in the market.
    Look at Monster Football. It let's you manage both ESPN and Yahoo teams.
    NVM, I found it! Thanks again.
    Last edited by 1jaxstate1; 09-26-2012 at 09:46 AM.
    09-26-2012 09:40 AM
  9. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    I'm glad that I don't use apps. I think WP in it's raw form, does a lot more then any other device to date. The core features sell phones, it's sad that it's become a market place just for apps.

    I want a WP for what it can do out of the box, not what I have to fill it with as a consumer. I'm not into the trendy apps (Instragram, Draw Something), and I'm not missing out on any sports related apps, or banking apps. I especially wouldn't game on a phone either. I love the simplicity, and the integration and how WP just works.

    So, I'd have to say... that, I'm definitely glad I don't use apps so I can enjoy a device that I would want to own and use.
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    09-26-2012 09:47 AM
  10. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    You should go buy a dumb phone. Seems like your wasting money on something you don't want. The only realy viable CORE feature is making phone calls, which any phone can do.
    I'm glad that I don't use apps. I think WP in it's raw form, does a lot more then any other device to date. The core features sell phones, it's sad that it's become a market place just for apps.

    I want a WP for what it can do out of the box, not what I have to fill it with as a consumer. I'm not into the trendy apps (Instragram, Draw Something), and I'm not missing out on any sports related apps, or banking apps. I especially wouldn't game on a phone either. I love the simplicity, and the integration and how WP just works.

    So, I'd have to say... that, I'm definitely glad I don't use apps so I can enjoy a device that I would want to own and use.
    09-26-2012 09:52 AM
  11. Dave Blake's Avatar
    You should go buy a dumb phone. Seems like your wasting money on something you don't want. The only realy viable CORE feature is making phone calls, which any phone can do.
    He said he uses the core features of WP so your saying that without apps all WP devices are just dumb phones?!
    09-26-2012 10:14 AM
  12. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    You should go buy a dumb phone. Seems like your wasting money on something you don't want. The only realy viable CORE feature is making phone calls, which any phone can do.
    I'm not saying it's not what I want, it's just something that I'm not consuming as much as everyone else. I haven't found apps that fit my needs, and or wants out of an app. I do use apps like Kik, and quite a few others that I can easily find on the market place. What I was really saying is that I'm not dependent on the list of apps that most people are missing.

    Apps like banking, local, sports, and trendy. I don't need any of that. I've used a lot of apps on my Droid Incredible, and most of them didn't last a week on my phone. So if and when I switch to WP8, I'm not really missing out on apps.

    He said he uses the core features of WP so your saying that without apps all WP devices are just dumb phones?!
    Oh... I wish I had a WP. /tear I'm just saying that, I would get a Windows Phone for it's core features. Threads are awesome, I like the fact that you can message from Facebook and MSN (Hopefully Skype in WP8) and SMS/MMS right from the same text. As well as the integration of Facebook and Twitter, and the People Hub is unique (Ha, Android had to steal it). That's what sold me on WP, and a lot of other neat little things.

    I don't look at the catalog of apps a store/market place may or may not have. I look at what the core features of the OS, and phone can do. I just think that personally, WP8 will be ahead of the crowd in a lot of ways. They still have a lot of work to do, but some day it'll definitely be a top tier choice.
    09-26-2012 10:30 AM
  13. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    If dumb phones can do emails then yes, so I guess I would have to bump it up to a feature phone.

    They can do emails and play music. Pretty much what WP7 does out the box. Same as Android and iOS. Might not be pretty, but it can. The App selection makes the smartphone.
    09-26-2012 10:32 AM
  14. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I'm in the same boat, I only have 10 apps. I like to only load useful apps, and not download every new hot app.
    I'm not saying it's not what I want, it's just something that I'm not consuming as much as everyone else. I haven't found apps that fit my needs, and or wants out of an app. I do use apps like Kik, and quite a few others that I can easily find on the market place. What I was really saying is that I'm not dependent on the list of apps that most people are missing.

    Apps like banking, local, sports, and trendy. I don't need any of that. I've used a lot of apps on my Droid Incredible, and most of them didn't last a week on my phone. So if and when I switch to WP8, I'm not really missing out on apps.



    Oh... I wish I had a WP. /tear I'm just saying that, I would get a Windows Phone for it's core features. Threads are awesome, I like the fact that you can message from Facebook and MSN (Hopefully Skype in WP8) and SMS/MMS right from the same text. As well as the integration of Facebook and Twitter, and the People Hub is unique (Ha, Android had to steal it). That's what sold me on WP, and a lot of other neat little things.

    I don't look at the catalog of apps a store/market place may or may not have. I look at what the core features of the OS, and phone can do. I just think that personally, WP8 will be ahead of the crowd in a lot of ways. They still have a lot of work to do, but some day it'll definitely be a top tier choice.
    09-26-2012 10:34 AM
  15. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    funny... 100k app within 1 1/2 year is too little now (how do you make that sarcastic face again? :P)

    anyways, i think posting a list of apps needed is the most reasonable way to get questions answered like how 1jaxstate1 and mrozanski interacted on this very thread

    like GhoulPhreak i got my lumia because of the core functionality wp provides, and thats things like zune/picture hub/people hub/threaded messages/office (!!!! very very useful to me)/skydrive

    and upon getting the lumia we got nokia drive which is the most used app for me (well... im exaggerating a little... since games do open more and im forced into using whatsapp) there are definitely alot of useful apps u can download on wp, and i know there will be alot more coming now with native code support

    im speculating a little, but i feel we'll see alot of big named apps released during Build (notice i said "released" not "shown") we already know drawsomething and wordswithfriend are coming, so is chase, and EA is very much on board, i would not discount wp right now and we're only looking at a month and a little more for alot of great things

    i think the only issue for many people would be instagram and instagram's close minded approach at things, wp is easier to code than other platforms and even has translator that helps with creating a new app and yet they have done absolutely nth, not even a mention of looking into it, i know its a small company, but if it's making money off it's popularity i fail to see why they can't hire ONE person to do the coding (heck just buy off one of the thirdparty ones and build off of it)

    *rant over*
    09-26-2012 03:52 PM
  16. nekowhizz's Avatar
    I moved from an Android Phone (Sony Xperia Arc) after it became so very slow, and I never really invested a lot of money in apps and games on Android, mainly because I never found anything worth the money... and well the quality of them was so often lacking, it was literally like sifting through, well you know, looking for good apps!

    On Windows Phone however I have seen it grow from 30k to 100k apps in less than 10 months, and during that time I have bought lots of apps and games, and the quality of them has been very high. I also like how the tiles bring you little snippets of information, and as a result not only have I bought more apps, but I use them a lot more too.

    I also feel the 'try' option for apps and games is a fantastic idea, as it gives you time to try out apps and games, often allowing you to use them free in an ad supported version.

    However it does annoy me that I can't play some of the most popular mobile games with my friends, though this will change with Windows Phone 8 =) But I live with these things, knowing that I have apps my friends don't (yes they exist just on Windows Phone!) like a very cool TV Show app that ensures I never miss my favourite shows, or tells me when a new one I want to watch is going to be aired.

    Windows Phone is very efficient, very fast, clean and extremely personalised and functional. I look forward to Windows Phone 8 and the sexy Lumia 920 =D
    09-26-2012 04:52 PM
  17. snowmutt's Avatar
    Apps will come with market share.

    The good news is that with WinRT and Windows8 launching soon with similar code bases. So that market share may entice a lot of developers. And porting to Windows Phone will be a pretty painless and quick process.
    Thank yo, buddy.

    The lack of apps IS being addressed by the cross platform support using the same kernal will bring. It is a serious attempt to get developers excited and make it easy for them to develop. MS understands it needs apps. They are on it.
    09-26-2012 05:01 PM
  18. scottcraft's Avatar
    It wasn't that long ago that Android was in a similar situation. When I got my first android facebook didn't even have chat built into the app. Didn't Android just get instagram this year? I am confident Microsoft is working on ways to get the bigger apps to WP, but with such a small marketshare it's going to take a while. If there are certain apps you require that WP doesn't have and there are no workarounds, by all means try Android or an iPhone. You have to have something that works for you.
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    09-26-2012 05:38 PM
  19. tomatoes11's Avatar
    I don't mind the ecosystem as long as they have the apps I use or an equivalent, which they do in most cases except my Rogers My Account app.

    I am slightly concerned about how ghetto the Whatsapp app looks on my gf's Lumia 800 compared to the one on IOS and Android though.
    09-26-2012 09:59 PM
  20. scdkad's Avatar
    I'm leaving windows phone to go to iPhone because of the same issue. I need *official* apps for google voice, yahoo fantasy football, yahoo messenger and decent apps for waze and tapatalk (be is a joke).
    What's the matter with Board Express? Works great for me.
    09-27-2012 04:07 AM
  21. ilifecomputer's Avatar
    Board express is a joke when you've used tapatalk. Also whatsapp wp port is pathetic. I also hope wp8 changes app development for the better. Pretty sure I'm going back in with a 920.
    09-27-2012 04:36 AM
  22. scdkad's Avatar
    Board express is a joke when you've used tapatalk. Also whatsapp wp port is pathetic. I also hope wp8 changes app development for the better. Pretty sure I'm going back in with a 920.
    I guess since I've never had an iphone or android device I wouldn't know what tapatalk is thus I don't miss it. Only use BE for WPcentral anyway..
    09-27-2012 05:13 AM
  23. superdudeo's Avatar
    funny... 100k app within 1 1/2 year is too little now (how do you make that sarcastic face again? :P)

    anyways, i think posting a list of apps needed is the most reasonable way to get questions answered like how 1jaxstate1 and mrozanski interacted on this very thread

    like GhoulPhreak i got my lumia because of the core functionality wp provides, and thats things like zune/picture hub/people hub/threaded messages/office (!!!! very very useful to me)/skydrive

    and upon getting the lumia we got nokia drive which is the most used app for me (well... im exaggerating a little... since games do open more and im forced into using whatsapp) there are definitely alot of useful apps u can download on wp, and i know there will be alot more coming now with native code support

    im speculating a little, but i feel we'll see alot of big named apps released during Build (notice i said "released" not "shown") we already know drawsomething and wordswithfriend are coming, so is chase, and EA is very much on board, i would not discount wp right now and we're only looking at a month and a little more for alot of great things

    i think the only issue for many people would be instagram and instagram's close minded approach at things, wp is easier to code than other platforms and even has translator that helps with creating a new app and yet they have done absolutely nth, not even a mention of looking into it, i know its a small company, but if it's making money off it's popularity i fail to see why they can't hire ONE person to do the coding (heck just buy off one of the thirdparty ones and build off of it)

    *rant over*
    If 100k apps is true then honestly, it's a bit embarrassing for Windows to be honest. I struggle to find 20 apps worth downloading from the Marketplace.

    I'm not exaggerating, it's just the way it is. Hopefully with marketshare will come investment because the OS is superior. I have to say though that if you haven't direct experience with the wealth that the App Store offers, you don't know what you're missing.
    09-27-2012 09:28 AM
  24. FinsUpDNC's Avatar
    I do love my 900, but to ignore the fact that the apps are not up to par yet is just being intellectually dishonest. Right now Facebook and Twitter apps are created by Msoft and not the companies themselves which should tell us all something. I applaud Microsoft for doing this, but until there is demand for the businesses to create their own apps this will be a problem.

    I am going to get the 920 or 8x, my next big life decision. That is because I own a business that lives in the Exchange world and this phone works better then any other within that ecosystem. I hope Microsoft pushes this as they can make a nice dent in the corporate phone market.
    09-27-2012 09:42 AM
  25. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    If 100k apps is true then honestly, it's a bit embarrassing for Windows to be honest. I struggle to find 20 apps worth downloading from the Marketplace.

    I'm not exaggerating, it's just the way it is. Hopefully with marketshare will come investment because the OS is superior. I have to say though that if you haven't direct experience with the wealth that the App Store offers, you don't know what you're missing.
    well, im not going to try and convince anyone our marketplace is the better or good enough, since this is relative to what they need, but i do feel it's being a bit over exaggerated at how the marketplace performs right now (in a bad way that is)

    at least for me, (take whatsapp as example) i like how we swipe to get to different screens and find stuff, performance is complete crap no doubt and ours are definitely missing features here and there, but from switching between mine and my fiance's iphone i just keep getting the feeling that ours is easier to use... of course this is my personal opinion and i get this same feeling with alot of the other apps

    i guess what im trying to say is 1 and 1/2 year is short, other platforms sure didn't get to where they are until 2~3 years later, heck android didn't get instagram until this year

    --below comment not important, just a rant... --
    though i still can't understand whats so good about that app... poked around my fiance's phone and other than the social networking aspect (well, sharing filtered photos) it feels the same as others, well im a bit biased on this comment though, since i like original unedit photos better than filtered ones...
    Last edited by Nataku4ca; 09-27-2012 at 02:09 PM. Reason: readability...
    09-27-2012 02:09 PM
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