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  1. RiseUpGames's Avatar
    Hi RiseUpGames,

    Lumia 920 user here. I've just downloaded this app. Great work. I have only appreciation for your efforts. Just wanted to ask a few questions -
    1. Your motivation for developing on WP.
    2. Do you think WinRT APIs would help in better augmenting your app with more features than what the current Silverlight APIs can? If so, would you be making this into a WinRT app given that WP 8.1 is steadily rolling out?
    3. Any chance that you can request a privileged access to the APIs to be included as a default camera? That would be a God send for all of us.

    Thanks and keep up the great work not only for this but also for all your endeavors. I will be closely watching this space for more developments.

    Cheers!!
    Hello! I'd be happy to answer your questions.

    1) In 2010, Microsoft announced WP 7, along with a strict requirement that all hardware must ship with a dedicated camera button. I was in love. In 2012, Microsoft announced a super robust camera API, the likes of which had never been seen before on a mobile device. I knew what I had to do, and I sacrificed everything to make it happen :)

    2) With Win / Phone 8.1, Microsoft revealed a new converged camera API with video(!), and simultaneously deprecated the API I've been working so hard on for ProShot. It was a slap in the face. To add insult to injury, there is a bug in this new API that can potentially brick your phone. Brick it! So I'm holding off on that development til the bug gets sorted out. To make things worse, Microsoft removed one of the most important functions with this new API, making it impossible to run real-time filters at HD resolutions / 30fps and not tax the hardware. So... yeah I'm pretty angry about the choices they made there.

    3) I have tried so many times and have knocked on so many doors. I'd been promised this and that by many people, and they all failed to deliver, and don't even respond to my emails anymore. This is actually one of the reasons I made ProShot free for a day, to call attention to this: Allow camera button to launch a Lens app €“ Feature Suggestions for Windows Phone

    I really don't like focusing on the negative, but my journey with Microsoft has seen better days. And it's been a rough week, heh.
    08-20-2014 01:12 AM
  2. Naren Parker's Avatar
    Hello! I'd be happy to answer your questions.

    1) In 2010, Microsoft announced WP 7, along with a strict requirement that all hardware must ship with a dedicated camera button. I was in love. In 2012, Microsoft announced a super robust camera API, the likes of which had never been seen before on a mobile device. I knew what I had to do, and I sacrificed everything to make it happen :)

    2) With Win / Phone 8.1, Microsoft revealed a new converged camera API with video(!), and simultaneously deprecated the API I've been working so hard on for ProShot. It was a slap in the face. To add insult to injury, there is a bug in this new API that can potentially brick your phone. Brick it! So I'm holding off on that development til the bug gets sorted out. To make things worse, Microsoft removed one of the most important functions with this new API, making it impossible to run real-time filters at HD resolutions / 30fps and not tax the hardware. So... yeah I'm pretty angry about the choices they made there.

    3) I have tried so many times and have knocked on so many doors. I'd been promised this and that by many people, and they all failed to deliver, and don't even respond to my emails anymore. This is actually one of the reasons I made ProShot free for a day, to call attention to this: Allow camera button to launch a Lens app €“ Feature Suggestions for Windows Phone

    I really don't like focusing on the negative, but my journey with Microsoft has seen better days. And it's been a rough week, heh.
    Great job, bro. Sometimes people wonder why MS always takes one step forward and two steps back. Developers are the crux of any platform. If you don't give what they want, they wont deliver and as a result the platform suffers. Thanks for bringing to light the information about the bricking bug. I agree software development is not a piece of cake and MS has actually done a commendable work with 8.1, but still such things need to be sorted out ASAP. Just imagine if a developer who is not aware of this makes an app and users download it and suddenly hell freezes over. If you can, can you tell us what kind of feature used in that API can brick the phone? I'm not a developer but being a tech enthusiast, I am interested to know. Wonder what's holding them from making power efficient APIs that work in real time. Oh well, as MS fans most of us here have grown accustomed to all this :)

    Ranting apart, I'd like to make a suggestion. Can you darken the manual focus slider a bit more? As a novice user of the app, I had a tough time spotting it! Especially in bright scenes, the slider can get lost in the background and difficult to make out. Also, is there a tutorial somewhere? Would be handy as a reference. Apart from that, enjoying the app. Will keep you posted with new feedback as I learn to get a hang of it.
    08-20-2014 02:06 AM
  3. RiseUpGames's Avatar
    Great job, bro. Sometimes people wonder why MS always takes one step forward and two steps back. Developers are the crux of any platform. If you don't give what they want, they wont deliver and as a result the platform suffers. Thanks for bringing to light the information about the bricking bug. I agree software development is not a piece of cake and MS has actually done a commendable work with 8.1, but still such things need to be sorted out ASAP. Just imagine if a developer who is not aware of this makes an app and users download it and suddenly hell freezes over. If you can, can you tell us what kind of feature used in that API can brick the phone? I'm not a developer but being a tech enthusiast, I am interested to know. Wonder what's holding them from making power efficient APIs that work in real time. Oh well, as MS fans most of us here have grown accustomed to all this :)

    Ranting apart, I'd like to make a suggestion. Can you darken the manual focus slider a bit more? As a novice user of the app, I had a tough time spotting it! Especially in bright scenes, the slider can get lost in the background and difficult to make out. Also, is there a tutorial somewhere? Would be handy as a reference. Apart from that, enjoying the app. Will keep you posted with new feedback as I learn to get a hang of it.
    You are right, Microsoft has done quite a good job with 8.1, finally bringing the platform to feature parity with the competition. The bug that I'm talking about probably won't affect users of the default camera app. The bug is, if the camera handle is not released properly on application exit, the phone will likely freeze requiring a soft reset. I've seen it happen on my 920 when trying to poke around the code.

    The new camera API is really awesome, but not for some of the big features of ProShot that I spent a lot of time on, mainly, the viewfinder code. With the 8.0 API, it was possible to extract a DirectX texture directly from the hardware, and then use shaders to process filters in real-time. It has *very little* impact on frame rate. The 8.1 API doesn't have this anymore, and instead you have to rely on C++ buffers, which is infinitely slower.

    The manual slider is meant to be almost completely transparent and only as a hint of the feature. I want to cram as much functionality into the viewfinder as possible without making it cluttered. Once you get used to it it becomes second nature :)

    For tutorials, open up the right panel and tap the "?" button. From there you can get access to a brief tutorial as well as a field guide. I want to add explanations of more photography principles to the tutorial, creating a curriculum I'd be satisfied with will take a while, as well as localizing it into many languages.
    Naren Parker likes this.
    08-20-2014 03:26 AM
  4. aka44's Avatar
    Hi, thanks for great app! I have a l820 and i remember the time when exposure time up to 4 sec was available. I liked to shot with my tripod at night and now its about impossible to get picture that i want ;( Why its gone? Is it because of wp 8.1 dp update where that possibility was cutted? Is there any chances to bring that back?
    08-20-2014 05:23 AM
  5. amitnahar's Avatar
    I seriously want to use this but the only thing is that It can't be launched with camera 📷 button.

    Gave you 3 votes.

    Sent from my Lumia.
    08-20-2014 09:20 AM
  6. RiseUpGames's Avatar
    Hi, thanks for great app! I have a l820 and i remember the time when exposure time up to 4 sec was available. I liked to shot with my tripod at night and now its about impossible to get picture that i want ;( Why its gone? Is it because of wp 8.1 dp update where that possibility was cutted? Is there any chances to bring that back?
    Unfortunately this is Nokia's fault. They removed the 4sec option on all but the PureView-branded phones. This was done on the firmware level. I've tried to force longer exposures, but it just makes the camera hardware crash :(



    I seriously want to use this but the only thing is that It can't be launched with camera button.

    Gave you 3 votes.

    Sent from my Lumia.
    Thank you! Every vote counts :) Once I reach 10,000 I'm going to try and get a lot of people together to email / tweet Microsoft. We need this feature on WP!
    08-20-2014 12:49 PM
  7. jtbarton's Avatar
    The app works wonderfully when active, but when I exit out of it and come back to it later, I'm hit with a perpetual loading screen (black screen with the loading dots streaming across the bottom) and the only way it becomes useable again is to reinstall, only for the same thing to happen again.

    A shame, because it's such a beautiful application and would compliment my Neo perfectly. I know there are issues with certain functions and features not working due to lack of firmware from Samsung but the camera on the phone works perfectly fine. Is it enough to cause complete app failure like in my case?
    08-20-2014 12:58 PM
  8. RiseUpGames's Avatar
    The app works wonderfully when active, but when I exit out of it and come back to it later, I'm hit with a perpetual loading screen (black screen with the loading dots streaming across the bottom) and the only way it becomes useable again is to reinstall, only for the same thing to happen again.

    A shame, because it's such a beautiful application and would compliment my Neo perfectly. I know there are issues with certain functions and features not working due to lack of firmware from Samsung but the camera on the phone works perfectly fine. Is it enough to cause complete app failure like in my case?
    I'm sorry about the issues. Try uninstalling ProShot, restarting your device, then re-installing it. The key part is restarting before you re-install.

    Beyond that, I really don't know what else to do :/ I spent a lot of time and worked with quite a few people (and even bought my own Samsung device) to make sure that it works.
    Rodrigo Mendes likes this.
    08-20-2014 04:39 PM
  9. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    I seriously want to use this but the only thing is that It can't be launched with camera 📷 button.

    Gave you 3 votes.

    Sent from my Lumia.
    Neither can music, games or any other apps so what are you moaning about?
    08-25-2014 05:04 PM
  10. yeto's Avatar
    When I click on the timer in the lower left corner I see a message that comes up that says "show view finder on/off". Can someone share as to what this does?

    Thanks,
    yeto
    08-27-2014 01:27 PM
  11. RiseUpGames's Avatar
    When I click on the timer in the lower left corner I see a message that comes up that says "show view finder on/off". Can someone share as to what this does?

    Thanks,
    yeto
    Can you please provide a screenshot? I am not aware of such a message in ProShot.
    08-27-2014 05:09 PM
  12. digiman1946's Avatar
    When setting up for time-lapse, there is an option to turn the viewfinder off or leave it on.

    I think yeto may be referring to that.
    08-28-2014 06:55 PM
  13. RiseUpGames's Avatar
    When setting up for time-lapse, there is an option to turn the viewfinder off or leave it on.

    I think yeto may be referring to that.
    That's what I was thinking. Yeto if you're talking about the option in timelapse, it's just an option to have the viewfinder stay on during timelapse capture (it's not possible to actually turn off the display while capturing images, but it does disable the viewfinder code, which saves quite a bit on CPU; the app is basically at 0% CPU utilization between capturing images).
    08-28-2014 07:08 PM
  14. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    Will video ever become available?
    08-29-2014 06:24 AM
  15. yeto's Avatar
    That's what I was thinking. Yeto if you're talking about the option in timelapse, it's just an option to have the viewfinder stay on during timelapse capture (it's not possible to actually turn off the display while capturing images, but it does disable the viewfinder code, which saves quite a bit on CPU; the app is basically at 0% CPU utilization between capturing images).
    Yes, that is what I was referring. When you all talk about "display" is that what I am trying to take a picture of and "viewfinder" is the different options I can select?

    Thanks,
    yeto
    08-29-2014 03:01 PM
  16. RiseUpGames's Avatar
    Will video ever become available?
    It's something I want to add, but I can only do it if I update ProShot to the WP 8.1 Camera API...which means rewriting so much code, and having to find a completely different way to write the viewfinder code. Microsoft screwed me big time with the API change.



    Yes, that is what I was referring. When you all talk about "display" is that what I am trying to take a picture of and "viewfinder" is the different options I can select?

    Thanks,
    yeto
    The viewfinder button just means that when time-lapse is running, the viewfinder is either on or off, it doesn't affect the pictures that are taken. But, if you are on a low-end device like a 520, turning the viewfinder off may improve shot-to-shot time and during time-lapse, and on all devices turning the viewfinder off may allow for longer shooting periods while on battery.
    08-29-2014 04:36 PM
  17. Javadevil's Avatar
    I'd love to see a panoramic mode added. Nokia 's one doesn't do a full 360, well not on my 1520.
    08-30-2014 04:09 AM
  18. ReprobusR's Avatar
    This thread is quite long, without reading sixty-six pages, I'll skip to the chase. I read ProShot can shoot HDR images, how good is the quality ? Can it save to OpenEXR or shoot Panoramic HDR ?
    09-01-2014 12:29 PM
  19. blue1k's Avatar
    This thread is quite long, without reading sixty-six pages, I'll skip to the chase. I read ProShot can shoot HDR images, how good is the quality ? Can it save to OpenEXR or shoot Panoramic HDR ?
    It's shoots 5mp HDR. The app will shoot 3 shots that are bracketed and merged. You must be very still and this mode works best on a tripod. It certain settings I find HDR Camera better but ProShot produces a less compressed image.

    One feature I would love to see for HDR is an increase in the number of images from 3-5. And the ability to set max and min exposures independently.
    What I mean is for a scene you could choose +0.5 as brightest and -3.00 as darkest. Some scenes need a shift to overexpose shadows like mountain and cloud/sky scenes. HDR camera has this feature and it is very handy.
    09-01-2014 12:36 PM
  20. ReprobusR's Avatar
    It's shoots 5mp HDR. The app will shoot 3 shots that are bracketed and merged. You must be very still and this mode works best on a tripod. It certain settings I find HDR Camera better but ProShot produces a less compressed image.

    One feature I would love to see for HDR is an increase in the number of images from 3-5. And the ability to set max and min exposures independently.
    What I mean is for a scene you could choose +0.5 as brightest and -3.00 as darkest. Some scenes need a shift to overexpose shadows like mountain and cloud/sky scenes. HDR camera has this feature and it is very handy.
    When you say HDR Camera, I assume you mean the app HDR Photo Camera ? It is recommended to have both apps, from what I take of it ?
    09-01-2014 02:39 PM
  21. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    Hi RiseUpGames,

    I just want to commend you for a job well done. I purchased your app back in 2013 but since Nokia Camera Pro was released it became my go to camera app.

    Since you've updated your app with a new interface, it is now my primary camera app again.

    I just love how quick it is compared to Nokia Camera.

    Is there a possibility of saving the files DNG in the future?
    Also, I noticed one time that pictures I have deleted previously came back. (It only happened once)
    09-01-2014 09:43 PM
  22. cdanieljohn's Avatar
    Anyone has a filer like vsco?
    09-01-2014 11:39 PM
  23. blue1k's Avatar
    When you say HDR Camera, I assume you mean the app HDR Photo Camera ? It is recommended to have both apps, from what I take of it ?
    Yup. Oops. Ya I use both. For real quality HDR I will use bracketed images and hand blend in PS.
    09-02-2014 02:40 AM
  24. RiseUpGames's Avatar
    This thread is quite long, without reading sixty-six pages, I'll skip to the chase. I read ProShot can shoot HDR images, how good is the quality ? Can it save to OpenEXR or shoot Panoramic HDR ?
    No OpenEXR or Panoramic HDR as of now, I'm sorry.



    It's shoots 5mp HDR. The app will shoot 3 shots that are bracketed and merged. You must be very still and this mode works best on a tripod. It certain settings I find HDR Camera better but ProShot produces a less compressed image.

    One feature I would love to see for HDR is an increase in the number of images from 3-5. And the ability to set max and min exposures independently.
    What I mean is for a scene you could choose +0.5 as brightest and -3.00 as darkest. Some scenes need a shift to overexpose shadows like mountain and cloud/sky scenes. HDR camera has this feature and it is very handy.
    ProShot can't do 5 image HDR because of memory issues, but I will be adding a real bracket feature soon, which should allow for more shooting options.



    Hi RiseUpGames,

    I just want to commend you for a job well done. I purchased your app back in 2013 but since Nokia Camera Pro was released it became my go to camera app.

    Since you've updated your app with a new interface, it is now my primary camera app again.

    I just love how quick it is compared to Nokia Camera.

    Is there a possibility of saving the files DNG in the future?
    Also, I noticed one time that pictures I have deleted previously came back. (It only happened once)
    Nokia hasn't released any public API to shoot DNG, so I don't think it's coming :/ (currrently apps only have access to a JPEG stream).
    That's very strange that the image came back, I'll have to look into it. I'm also still working on adding the ability to delete images from the camera roll. Having to support WP 8.0 and 8.1 has made this process needlessly complicated, so it's going to be a while still :(
    09-03-2014 06:57 PM
  25. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    Nokia hasn't released any public API to shoot DNG, so I don't think it's coming :/ (currrently apps only have access to a JPEG stream).
    That's very strange that the image came back, I'll have to look into it. I'm also still working on adding the ability to delete images from the camera roll. Having to support WP 8.0 and 8.1 has made this process needlessly complicated, so it's going to be a while still :(
    Ok Thanks a lot.

    It already happened to me twice. A handful of pictures which I have previously deleted returned to the camera roll.
    I noticed this happened after I turned the phone off and then on.

    Hmmm perhaps I have to delete the picture from within the ProShot app or within the Files app(which is what I did and the photos did not come back) rather than deleting it in the camera roll.

    I'm using a 1520.1 Philippine variant w/ official 8.1 Cyan
    09-03-2014 08:55 PM
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