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  1. ali80's Avatar
    Btw, BBM on iOS has totally failed. We have more than a single app to use and all of them much better than it. Nothing special about it anymore.
    01-19-2014 02:36 PM
  2. Jas00555's Avatar
    I put this in the Crackberry thread about BBM on WP, but I'll repost it here.

    Last month, the place where I work was deciding on what IM app to use since it was easier than emailing and our IT guys aren't really fond of excessive emailing (they're kind of anal about it actually). We were going through the options at a meeting where all of us attended and someone in our group suggested BBM (side note: I've seen at least 5 Windows Phones in the wild, yet this guy was the only person I know who has a BB10 device. I'm sorry if that doesn't line up with what you see, but I have seen 1 total), which is when everyone was like "oh, yeah, that's on all of the phones now" and everyone was feeling a little nostalgic until I pointed out that myself and one of the managers had Windows Phones (I have a 1520 and he has a 920) and that BB doesn't have an app for WP. Do you know what happened? Did they tell us to get new phones? did they offer to buy us cheap androids? nope. What happened was that we canned the idea of using BBM. One girl even made the exact quote: "dumb Blackberry, I thought they were suppose to be a billion dollar company, I didn't realize they're that poor". In the end we decided to use WhatsApp and BBM lost about 20 potential new active members.

    See, here's the gist... Yes, Windows Phone only has an 8% market share worldwide, but do you know what that means? That means that unless someone has very few friends, that they all know at least one person who has a Windows Phone. Now I know that a lot of people here claim that they've never seen a Windows Phone ever, but they usually then go on to say that WP is DOA and they know at least 20 friends with BB10 devices, so those comments can be thrown right out.** I'm trailing off again, but this basically means that if people want to use a cross-platform messaging app, that they can't use BBM because one or two of their friends don't have it.

    Now it's simple to say "oh, well, then they'll leave WP, because it $ucks M$ herp derp"** but come one now.... People will change IM services before they change OSes, because guess what? Most people don't care what they use, as long as it works. Is BBM great? yes, but is it so great that it's worth learning a whole new OS (even if it takes minimal time) and repurchasing apps? no. It's the same thing as my company. Most people didn't care to use WhatsApp and since then I've never heard a single complaint. They even WANTED to use BBM, but since it wasn't cross-platform, they couldn't (and they even got mad at BB for it, so double-lose there). I completely understand the reasoning behind it, but they need to get BBM to WP pronto, even if it's only half-baked in features.

    ** yes, they were actually writing stuff like that
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    01-19-2014 03:26 PM
  3. SubCamp's Avatar
    I put this in the Crackberry thread about BBM on WP, but I'll repost it here.

    Last month, the place where I work was deciding on what IM app to use since it was easier than emailing and our IT guys aren't really fond of excessive emailing (they're kind of anal about it actually). We were going through the options at a meeting where all of us attended and someone in our group suggested BBM (side note: I've seen at least 5 Windows Phones in the wild, yet this guy was the only person I know who has a BB10 device. I'm sorry if that doesn't line up with what you see, but I have seen 1 total), which is when everyone was like "oh, yeah, that's on all of the phones now" and everyone was feeling a little nostalgic until I pointed out that myself and one of the managers had Windows Phones (I have a 1520 and he has a 920) and that BB doesn't have an app for WP. Do you know what happened? Did they tell us to get new phones? did they offer to buy us cheap androids? nope. What happened was that we canned the idea of using BBM. One girl even made the exact quote: "dumb Blackberry, I thought they were suppose to be a billion dollar company, I didn't realize they're that poor". In the end we decided to use WhatsApp and BBM lost about 20 potential new active members.

    See, here's the gist... Yes, Windows Phone only has an 8% market share worldwide, but do you know what that means? That means that unless someone has very few friends, that they all know at least one person who has a Windows Phone. Now I know that a lot of people here claim that they've never seen a Windows Phone ever, but they usually then go on to say that WP is DOA and they know at least 20 friends with BB10 devices, so those comments can be thrown right out.** I'm trailing off again, but this basically means that if people want to use a cross-platform messaging app, that they can't use BBM because one or two of their friends don't have it.

    Now it's simple to say "oh, well, then they'll leave WP, because it $ucks M$ herp derp"** but come one now.... People will change IM services before they change OSes, because guess what? Most people don't care what they use, as long as it works. Is BBM great? yes, but is it so great that it's worth learning a whole new OS (even if it takes minimal time) and repurchasing apps? no. It's the same thing as my company. Most people didn't care to use WhatsApp and since then I've never heard a single complaint. They even WANTED to use BBM, but since it wasn't cross-platform, they couldn't (and they even got mad at BB for it, so double-lose there). I completely understand the reasoning behind it, but they need to get BBM to WP pronto, even if it's only half-baked in features.

    ** yes, they were actually writing stuff like that
    So which messaging app did your company decide to use?
    01-19-2014 04:37 PM
  4. Jas00555's Avatar
    I think I said we picked WhatsApp

    Edit: yes I did, 1st and 3rd paragraph
    01-19-2014 04:41 PM
  5. SubCamp's Avatar
    opinions aside, the FACTS are that Windows Phone has roughly 6% market share worldwide while BB has 1% and 1/4 of that 1% are BB10.
    Sure, let's look at the facts.. WP8 was released on October 29th, 2012. BB10 released on January 30th, 2013
    WP8 amount of apps: 128,933 (November 24th, 2013) BB10 amount of apps: 130,000 (Sept. 27, 2013)
    Number of WP8 devices: 22 (List of Windows Phone 8 devices - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Number of BB10 devices: 4

    So WP8 has been around longer and is offered on more devices, market share isn't an equal comparison
    01-19-2014 04:49 PM
  6. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    It's funny to see everyone here hating on BlackBerry.. Everyone must admit that BlackBerry and WP are battling for 3rd place, as iOS and Android have the number 1 and 2 spot.. So why would BlackBerry give their 'direct' competitor an exclusive app?
    Who has more to lose in this specific situation, MSFT or BBRY?

    I think that BBRY has/has more to gain by making BB10 as cross-platform as possible.
    01-19-2014 05:03 PM
  7. pgg101's Avatar
    I put this in the Crackberry thread about BBM on WP, but I'll repost it here.

    Last month, the place where I work was deciding on what IM app to use since it was easier than emailing and our IT guys aren't really fond of excessive emailing (they're kind of anal about it actually). We were going through the options at a meeting where all of us attended and someone in our group suggested BBM (side note: I've seen at least 5 Windows Phones in the wild, yet this guy was the only person I know who has a BB10 device. I'm sorry if that doesn't line up with what you see, but I have seen 1 total), which is when everyone was like "oh, yeah, that's on all of the phones now" and everyone was feeling a little nostalgic until I pointed out that myself and one of the managers had Windows Phones (I have a 1520 and he has a 920) and that BB doesn't have an app for WP. Do you know what happened? Did they tell us to get new phones? did they offer to buy us cheap androids? nope. What happened was that we canned the idea of using BBM. One girl even made the exact quote: "dumb Blackberry, I thought they were suppose to be a billion dollar company, I didn't realize they're that poor". In the end we decided to use WhatsApp and BBM lost about 20 potential new active members.

    See, here's the gist... Yes, Windows Phone only has an 8% market share worldwide, but do you know what that means? That means that unless someone has very few friends, that they all know at least one person who has a Windows Phone. Now I know that a lot of people here claim that they've never seen a Windows Phone ever, but they usually then go on to say that WP is DOA and they know at least 20 friends with BB10 devices, so those comments can be thrown right out.** I'm trailing off again, but this basically means that if people want to use a cross-platform messaging app, that they can't use BBM because one or two of their friends don't have it.

    Now it's simple to say "oh, well, then they'll leave WP, because it $ucks M$ herp derp"** but come one now.... People will change IM services before they change OSes, because guess what? Most people don't care what they use, as long as it works. Is BBM great? yes, but is it so great that it's worth learning a whole new OS (even if it takes minimal time) and repurchasing apps? no. It's the same thing as my company. Most people didn't care to use WhatsApp and since then I've never heard a single complaint. They even WANTED to use BBM, but since it wasn't cross-platform, they couldn't (and they even got mad at BB for it, so double-lose there). I completely understand the reasoning behind it, but they need to get BBM to WP pronto, even if it's only half-baked in features.

    ** yes, they were actually writing stuff like that
    I'll post my response here from XB as well:

    Hopefully they will be able to get it on WP sooner rather than later. I can tell you that an App like WhatsApp violates Canadian privacy laws because it exports your contact list to a foreign server. Another major issue is that with Whatsapp, your conversations are not being recorded by your IT. This a huge risk to the company from a liability perspective. Think about rogue employees passing off information or even worse client data.

    I work for a bank. When BES10.0 was launched, BBM could not be monitored or collected. That alone delayed the launch of BB10 with my bank.

    Now if you work for a small company, then that's fine. But for a large company where lawyers are just waiting to sue you, you better make sure that the decision to use Whatsapp doesn't violate privacy laws of your country, and that your employees do not disclose clients names or data with messages.


    Sent from my BlackBerry Z30 using Tapatalk.
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    01-19-2014 05:11 PM
  8. jmshub's Avatar
    BES10 supports non-blackberry devices too such as iPhone and Android, and I assume WP. Some people will still want to use BB10, difference is that they competition now. As an example, my bank and another bank (my biggest competitor) BYOD policy is such that BB10 will be the phone most will go with. Their definition of BYOD is bring your personal phone to work...But we aren't paying for it at all, no support, and if you are fired, we remotely wipe the entire device including personal content. Hence everyone at my bank going BB10.

    Now, I live in Canada, so I know BYOD policies in the US are much better.

    Sent from my BlackBerry Z30 using Tapatalk.
    Im aware that BES supports non blackberry devices. I work for a small enterprise that was a blackberry shop. We have BES in our office now, but we are going byod and there are better mdm solutions that are cheaper. And who's long term support is less shaky looking that RIM. Since IT would already need to upgrade to BES 10, I think a lot will be looking at other alternatives.
    01-19-2014 05:12 PM
  9. Tony_Tone's Avatar
    Sure, let's look at the facts.. WP8 was released on October 29th, 2012. BB10 released on January 30th, 2013
    WP8 amount of apps: 128,933 (November 24th, 2013) BB10 amount of apps: 130,000 (Sept. 27, 2013)
    Number of WP8 devices: 22 (List of Windows Phone 8 devices - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Number of BB10 devices: 4

    So WP8 has been around longer and is offered on more devices, market share isn't an equal comparison
    47,000+ were from S4BB
    01-19-2014 05:34 PM
  10. pgg101's Avatar
    Oh boy this conversation about app numbers is painful. It's like two last place teams fighting over which one sucks less. Both BB10 and WP10 sucks in the native app department. I think we can all agree upon that. We like BB10 and WP8 because their are other aspects of the device we like and value more over apps. On the plus side, both have good HTML5 browsers according to html5test.com, MS has deep pockets to buy developers if they choose so, and BlackBerry has the Jellybean runtime to run android apps. MS has a better shot at expanding native apps over BlackBerry for sure. Developers have no motivation because they an just port an android app (Eg: skype) over, or 10.2.1 users can just install the various Android markets to get the missing apps.

    Sent from my BlackBerry Z30 using Tapatalk.
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    01-19-2014 05:51 PM
  11. Jas00555's Avatar
    Sure, let's look at the facts.. WP8 was released on October 29th, 2012. BB10 released on January 30th, 2013
    WP8 amount of apps: 128,933 (November 24th, 2013) BB10 amount of apps: 130,000 (Sept. 27, 2013)
    Number of WP8 devices: 22 (List of Windows Phone 8 devices - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Number of BB10 devices: 4

    So WP8 has been around longer and is offered on more devices, market share isn't an equal comparison
    lets look at the real facts:
    1) WP has over 200,000 apps according to MS
    http://blogs.windows.com/windows_pho...eason-yet.aspx and these are REAL apps such as instagram, path, vine, subway surfer, temple run 2 etc... Not the 46,000 cr*p city guides that BBW has http://m.crackberry.com/blackberry-c...ific-developer

    2) between October and January is only 3 months. So unless you're telling me that WP got a huge lead in 3 months, then there's something wrong.

    3) BB sold 1 million BB10 http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/12/2...ancial-results in the same amount of time Nokia sold 9 million http://m.gsmarena.com/news.php3
    Last edited by Jas00555; 01-19-2014 at 06:42 PM.
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    01-19-2014 05:55 PM
  12. ardaozkal's Avatar
    Now what's really needed is a Windows Phone Messenger. Apple has their own version, as does BlackBerry obviously. One that only works with Windows Phone devices around the world!
    you can use Messenger? Add them online. Or use skype! Both by Microsoft!
    01-19-2014 06:26 PM
  13. socalphil's Avatar
    BBm and Blackberry will be dead soon. Google, ios and windows are trying to integrate the os over all devices. Although ios on ipad or iPhone does not look like mac os the basic Linux base is similar. Google has chrome laptops and soon chrome phones and Android tablets and basic Android laptops. Windows has the closest integration over devices. WP, RT and Windows 8.1. That is what got me to Lumia 1020,1520 Windows phone and Nokia 2520 tablet. After the disaster of 8.0, I installed 8.1 on my laptop and was sold. My company that has 2000 employees has dropped BBRY as a choice for phones. Although the main IT guy has a windows surface pro, we are waiting for MSFT phone to be added to our choice. I use whatsapp and all of my family and friends use it. Asking for BBM for windows now is like buying a TV at a store closing sale and asking for a store guarantee on a 3 year warranty. The store will be long gone before the warranty will.
    01-19-2014 09:35 PM
  14. psgenious's Avatar
    well , i have a better suggestion for microsoft , if blackberry is not providing bbm to wp phones , then microsoft should take out skype from blackberry phones.
    then bb users will see how deep in water they are.
    01-20-2014 12:30 AM
  15. 12Danny123's Avatar
    well , i have a better suggestion for microsoft , if blackberry is not providing bbm to wp phones , then microsoft should take out skype from blackberry phones.
    then bb users will see how deep in water they are.
    I'm pretty sure they could but they don't need to. Microsoft was responsible of BB's tumble in Enterprise with activesync etc. But since Microsoft is now approaching the enterprise market with the enterprise pack in WP8.1 where BB's stronghold is. I'm very sure Microsoft isn't gonna give BB any mercy at all.
    01-20-2014 12:51 AM
  16. ag1986's Avatar
    I put this in the Crackberry thread about BBM on WP, but I'll repost it here.

    Last month, the place where I work was deciding on what IM app to use since it was easier than emailing and our IT guys aren't really fond of excessive emailing (they're kind of anal about it actually). We were going through the options at a meeting where all of us attended and someone in our group suggested BBM (side note: I've seen at least 5 Windows Phones in the wild, yet this guy was the only person I know who has a BB10 device. I'm sorry if that doesn't line up with what you see, but I have seen 1 total), which is when everyone was like "oh, yeah, that's on all of the phones now" and everyone was feeling a little nostalgic until I pointed out that myself and one of the managers had Windows Phones (I have a 1520 and he has a 920) and that BB doesn't have an app for WP. Do you know what happened? Did they tell us to get new phones? did they offer to buy us cheap androids? nope. What happened was that we canned the idea of using BBM. One girl even made the exact quote: "dumb Blackberry, I thought they were suppose to be a billion dollar company, I didn't realize they're that poor". In the end we decided to use WhatsApp and BBM lost about 20 potential new active members.

    See, here's the gist... Yes, Windows Phone only has an 8% market share worldwide, but do you know what that means? That means that unless someone has very few friends, that they all know at least one person who has a Windows Phone. Now I know that a lot of people here claim that they've never seen a Windows Phone ever, but they usually then go on to say that WP is DOA and they know at least 20 friends with BB10 devices, so those comments can be thrown right out.** I'm trailing off again, but this basically means that if people want to use a cross-platform messaging app, that they can't use BBM because one or two of their friends don't have it.

    Now it's simple to say "oh, well, then they'll leave WP, because it $ucks M$ herp derp"** but come one now.... People will change IM services before they change OSes, because guess what? Most people don't care what they use, as long as it works. Is BBM great? yes, but is it so great that it's worth learning a whole new OS (even if it takes minimal time) and repurchasing apps? no. It's the same thing as my company. Most people didn't care to use WhatsApp and since then I've never heard a single complaint. They even WANTED to use BBM, but since it wasn't cross-platform, they couldn't (and they even got mad at BB for it, so double-lose there). I completely understand the reasoning behind it, but they need to get BBM to WP pronto, even if it's only half-baked in features.

    ** yes, they were actually writing stuff like that

    You use WhatsApp for corp IM?!!! Please tell us who you work for - I want to be sure I never do business with this company, ever.
    01-20-2014 02:30 AM
  17. pgg101's Avatar
    well , i have a better suggestion for microsoft , if blackberry is not providing bbm to wp phones , then microsoft should take out skype from blackberry phones.
    then bb users will see how deep in water they are.
    That doesn't accomplish anything. If you run 10.1+, you can side load the Android APK. I'd you are running 10.2.1, you can install one of the Android markets on to your phone, and download it from there. (i.e: Amazon, Snap/google play).

    Sent from my BlackBerry Z30 using Tapatalk.
    01-20-2014 07:07 AM
  18. WPus3r's Avatar
    Oh boy this conversation about app numbers is painful. It's like two last place teams fighting over which one sucks less. Both BB10 and WP sucks in the native app department. I think we can all agree upon that. We like BB10 and WP8 because their are other aspects of the device we like and value more over apps. On the plus side, both have good HTML5 browsers according to html5test.com, MS has deep pockets to buy developers if they choose so, and BlackBerry has the Jellybean runtime to run android apps. MS has a better shot at expanding native apps over BlackBerry for sure. Developers have no motivation because they an just port an android app (Eg: skype) over, or 10.2.1 users can just install the various Android markets to get the missing apps.

    Sent from my BlackBerry Z30 using Tapatalk.
    This. About WP vs BBRY i feel, WP is here for the long run,it still seems to have small momentum thanks to the Nokia hardware for now,much more than Microsoft while Blackberry still doesn`t seem to show any sign of revival in terms of native apps /sales numbers. But again,we are talking about two platforms which are so far behind the big 2.
    01-20-2014 07:43 AM
  19. Shouvik Mazumdar's Avatar
    Well am i missing much ? I guess whatsAPP is far better alternative :)
    01-20-2014 07:53 AM
  20. pgg101's Avatar
    This. About WP vs BBRY i feel, WP is here for the long run,it still seems to have small momentum thanks to the Nokia hardware for now,much more than Microsoft while Blackberry still doesn`t seem to show any sign of revival in terms of native apps /sales numbers. But again,we are talking about two platforms which are so far behind the big 2.
    Agreed. In terms of native apps, MS has a better shot than BlackBerry. I still think MS will fail, but I hope they don't. Competition is good. But with this Android runtime, I really don't care about BlackBerry native app situation as long as this runtime works. I'm using Tapatalk which I downloaded from the Google market. Yes, it's ugly and not as nice as a native bb10 app, but it works. So from my perspective, I don't have an app gap thanks to this Android runtime.

    I'm not a big app person. Give me Facebook to keep in touch with my family, good browser, and a good email/keyboard experience, then it's good enough. Anything else is icing on the cake.


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    01-20-2014 09:31 AM
  21. breakingpoint0's Avatar
    I'm sure WP support will come in the future for BBM. If I recall I saw comments that BES10 would support WP8 eventually. I would guess BBM would support WP8 around that same time. When you look at market share it makes sense why BlackBerry is going for Android and IOS first. Yes WP8 is growing, but Android and iOS still have the largest slice of the piece so it makes sense to start there.
    01-20-2014 10:08 PM
  22. CrackBerry Kevin's Avatar
    FYI, updated the first post on this thread. This isn't the case at all. See my interview with Alex from the BBM team here. If you're looking to source BlackBerry stuff, don't trust anybody but ME. :)



    We talk Windows Phone at the end of the interview.
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    01-22-2014 03:20 PM
  23. chris_t's Avatar
    That doesn't accomplish anything. If you run 10.1+, you can side load the Android APK. I'd you are running 10.2.1, you can install one of the Android markets on to your phone, and download it from there. (i.e: Amazon, Snap/google play).

    Sent from my BlackBerry Z30 using Tapatalk.
    Well, the actual Skype app on BBWorld is not native, but it's a ported Android app, so it's the same, MSFT can pull Skype anytime they want...
    01-22-2014 03:24 PM
  24. pgg101's Avatar
    Well, the actual Skype app on BBWorld is not native, but it's a ported Android app, so it's the same, MSFT can pull Skype anytime they want...
    I'm aware that it's an Android app, and MS could pull it. But as noted in my message, it doesn't matter. I have various Android markets on my phone. I can download and install an app as easily as I can on BBW. When BlackBerry releases 10.2.1 (I'm running a leak), then people won't be dependent on BBW.

    The app gap with BlackBerry is over. Granted they are ugly Android apps, but they work. WiFi, bluetooth, share menu. Much tighter integration into the OS than it was under v10.1.

    Again, main point is that I'm certain BBM will come to WP8 in due course . As I said before, I'm sure soon as BBM Voice, Video, and Screen share are on the iOS/Android version, they will do WP8. It's a matter of marketshare...the same reason why developers don't make native BB10 and WP8 apps.


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    01-22-2014 03:54 PM
  25. Jas00555's Avatar
    The app gap with BlackBerry is over.
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    what???? Haha dude, I realize that you're a fan of BB, but lets get back to reality for a second. You're not going to convince hardly anyone that "if you run a leak, then go to a third party app store, you can download this app" is the same as "the app gap with blackberry is over". Sure, maybe some of your techie friends, but not the average consumer or businesses (which make up most of the smartphone sales). The app gap is not over unless Google Play or some other app store comes natively built into BB10. I'm sorry if that's not what you think, but it's the truth. If someone really wanted Android apps, they'd buy an Android.

    Also, just because YOU know how to get a non-native Skype, doesn't mean that everyone who uses a BB10 device does, so while pulling the app may not affect YOU, it could affect businesses that rely on Skype and don't want to run a non-BBW app on their phones.
    Last edited by Jas00555; 01-22-2014 at 04:18 PM.
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    01-22-2014 04:06 PM
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