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  1. tgp's Avatar
    It *is* a deal breaker for the majority. Maybe my local newspaper isn't important to you and I don't really care, but it's just the accumulation of all these apps- there's a lot of stuff out there that I can't access easily through my phone. I checked and the only apps I have on my phone for things that I used before getting my phone are Pandora, Facebook and American Airlines. I have a newspaper subscription that comes with a free reader app that I can't use. I have a car that comes with a free app for maintenance, scheduling, etc. that I can't use. I have a warehouse store membership with a free app that I can't use. I have a bank with a free banking app I can't use. The whole world is connected through apps, but I can't use them.
    WP is not for everybody. If these apps are important, then it's clearly not for you. Don't apologize; there's nothing wrong with that. That's why there are 4 major smartphone OS's available.
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    03-03-2014 05:55 PM
  2. Qiyamata's Avatar
    I think more people don't adopt WP is because mostly teens parents are buying them mostly iOS and Androids because those tweenie babies have to have Instagram apps and others alike. God I hate always seeing females post the most ridiculous things. I'm a WP user for life now. It's seamless and just works for what I want it to.
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    03-03-2014 06:17 PM
  3. meddyrainzo's Avatar
    WP is not for everybody. If these apps are important, then it's clearly not for you. Don't apologize; there's nothing wrong with that. That's why there are 4 major smartphone OS's available.
    If this keeps up, WPs marketshare would never increase and WP would just die. They need apps to survive. Simple! Even MS knows this that's why they are going through everything to get apps on their platform
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    03-03-2014 06:23 PM
  4. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Oh, and... I'm not really putting this out there to bash anyone (although I'm sure it could be taken that way). I put it out there just in the interest of essentially a market data point. If you want to know why more people don't adopt WP, I think THIS IS IT: lack of apps.
    And if you want to know why apps aren't coming... look in the mirror..
    03-03-2014 06:36 PM
  5. evilrob's Avatar
    Before I switched to Windows Phone, I had an iPhone. When iOS 7 turned up I deleted all my apps with the intention of installing only the ones I actually needed. Net result: I didn't reinstall anything.

    E-mail, web browsing, Facebook, camera, and RSS feed reader and the odd game - that's all I need. I've since found I prefer the way Windows Phone does things - especially the deep Facebook/Twitter integration - people hub, etc.

    I've found alternatives for anything else I found myself thinking I needed (Instagram - 6tag, Vine - 6sec, etc.) - but I've found I hardly ever use them, just like I hardly ever used them on iOS either.
    03-03-2014 06:37 PM
  6. AngrySprintUser's Avatar
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    03-03-2014 10:40 PM
  7. Doohickie's Avatar
    And if you want to know why apps aren't coming... look in the mirror..
    Explain why I'm part of the problem with respect to the lack of apps?
    03-03-2014 11:51 PM
  8. Games Goblin's Avatar
    Explain why I'm part of the problem with respect to the lack of apps?
    I think what ttsoldier means to say that is that if people start abandoning WP stating lack of apps, it will not motivate developers to make more apps as the platform will get smaller
    03-04-2014 12:10 AM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    I think what ttsoldier means to say that is that if people start abandoning WP stating lack of apps, it will not motivate developers to make more apps as the platform will get smaller
    But what should those users do in the meantime?
    03-04-2014 12:11 AM
  10. snowmutt's Avatar
    First off, if anyone thinks Doohickie is "part of the problem", "is just whining", or some other argument that implies he is just kicking dirt on an established short-coming of WP, you haven't read his other posts, and you are not reading his thread. Do not let his chicken throw you off: This guy is serious. (Actually, Doohickie, the chicken thing is kinda your own fault, but no matter. )

    It doesn't matter what the majority of us in this forum think, only what each person thinks. I read an article on recruitment once where the recruiting coordinator at the University of Auburn was fighting hard to get a kid to come to play football there. He said he really thought he had him, only to lose him out to a school up north (he didn't say which one). When he called the kid to follow up, he asked him why he picked this school over Auburn, the kid said that they had a soft serve ice cream machine in the Athletic dorm and Auburn didn't.

    Did he complain about how that was over rated? That the School caferteria had it, so there was no reason to use that as an excuse? Tell the kid he was part of the problem because he didn't come to them to ask for one? Nope. He got Auburn to put in a stinking soft-serve ice cream machine so he wouldn't lose anyother kid for the same reason.

    I agree that MS, and Nokia for that matter, have done a pretty good job growing the app selections to over 300,000 in 4 years. But you are fighting 2 OS's with 1,000,000 (Dr. Evil accent) selections. It isn't important that we don't see it as a deal breaker, so many others do. I have written to maybe a dozen or more companies to see if they would create a WP app for their service, but so far none of those dozen or so companies have. The fact there is no PayPal or Square credit card reader app is why my wife now has an Android. The lack of a bank app is why my friends entire family are now on iOS. The fact that Marvel and DC Comics do not have an app is why my sons friend crossed WP off his list about a year ago.

    It is a deal breaker. It is the norm. Apps are expected. Saying we are fine without them doesn't help at all. Because it isn't about us, it is about Doohickie and users like him that would love or do love WP if only thet had this app or that app or that other app.
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    03-04-2014 04:54 AM
  11. JMBasquiat's Avatar
    It *is* a deal breaker for the majority.
    No it isn't.

    Then there are the apps where, yes, there are alternates, but they aren't the apps I would prefer to use. Things like Strava for cycling, Google for searching, Youtube, Intellicast., etc. Sure I can use Runtastic, Bing, some hokie 3rd party Youtube viewer, Accuweather, etc. But if had Android I could use all the site apps *I* prefer, not something new that I have to get accustomed to.
    Wait, I thought you said this was your first smartphone? How do you know that Strava is the best cycling app out there? You can use Google for searching, either through the system by changing preferences or through the official Google app. Intellicast is a virtually unknown app compared to Weather.com, AccuWeather, etc. YouTube works just fine, but if you say you prefer the official one, then that's a matter of preference.


    And sorry, but lack of app availability is *NOT* overblown. Not to me. If I want to be able to use all these apps and they are available on Android but not WP, then why wouldn't I at least try Android? It's survival of the fittest, and the WP app world isn't very fit right now.
    Try it, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. But you said this was your first smartphone, and for a first smartphone user, your claim that Strava and Intellicast are better than AccuWeather and Runtastic is incredibly suspect given your lack of experience with either of them.

    03-04-2014 04:59 AM
  12. 2tomtom's Avatar
    I really did want a banking app, HSBC to be precise, but discovered that it just gives balances and recent transactions iPhone and Android. Which is of no use to me. I need full view of my credit card and investments etc. So now i don't need it..

    For those who use the next "in" app, I find these too have limitations. Like the "in" photo-sharing apps that lower the quality and resolution of any photo shared. So I can see in years to come, people will be trying to track down the originals due to this low quality.

    so, yes I understand people need the next "in" app, but think about what your getting!
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    03-04-2014 05:33 AM
  13. 2tomtom's Avatar
    I really did want a banking app, HSBC to be precise, but discovered that it just gives balances and recent transactions iPhone and Android. Which is of no use to me. I need full view of my credit card and investments etc. So now i don't need it..

    For those who use the next "in" app, I find these too have limitations. Like the "in" photo-sharing apps that lower the quality and resolution of any photo shared. So I can see in years to come, people will be trying to track down the originals due to this low quality.

    so, yes I understand people need the next "in" app, but think about what your getting!
    03-04-2014 05:34 AM
  14. meddyrainzo's Avatar
    First off, if anyone thinks Doohickie is "part of the problem", "is just whining", or some other argument that implies he is just kicking dirt on an established short-coming of WP, you haven't read his other posts, and you are not reading his thread. Do not let his chicken throw you off: This guy is serious. (Actually, Doohickie, the chicken thing is kinda your own fault, but no matter. )

    It doesn't matter what the majority of us in this forum think, only what each person thinks. I read an article on recruitment once where the recruiting coordinator at the University of Auburn was fighting hard to get a kid to come to play football there. He said he really thought he had him, only to lose him out to a school up north (he didn't say which one). When he called the kid to follow up, he asked him why he picked this school over Auburn, the kid said that they had a soft serve ice cream machine in the Athletic dorm and Auburn didn't.

    Did he complain about how that was over rated? That the School caferteria had it, so there was no reason to use that as an excuse? Tell the kid he was part of the problem because he didn't come to them to ask for one? Nope. He got Auburn to put in a stinking soft-serve ice cream machine so he wouldn't lose anyother kid for the same reason.

    I agree that MS, and Nokia for that matter, have done a pretty good job growing the app selections to over 300,000 in 4 years. But you are fighting 2 OS's with 1,000,000 (Dr. Evil accent) selections. It isn't important that we don't see it as a deal breaker, so many others do. I have written to maybe a dozen or more companies to see if they would create a WP app for their service, but so far none of those dozen or so companies have. The fact there is no PayPal or Square credit card reader app is why my wife now has an Android. The lack of a bank app is why my friends entire family are now on iOS. The fact that Marvel and DC Comics do not have an app is why my sons friend crossed WP off his list about a year ago.

    It is a deal breaker. It is the norm. Apps are expected. Saying we are fine without them doesn't help at all. Because it isn't about us, it is about Doohickie and users like him that would love or do love WP if only thet had this app or that app or that other app.
    Exactly. I would expect apps as little but relevant as those mentioned to be on WP. They are real deal breakers
    03-04-2014 05:34 AM
  15. Chregu's Avatar
    It's not only the apps, it's also the quality of the apps. Look at the Spotify app for example.

    Personally I can live with the apps however, Nokia is (was) working heavily on getting apps to WP. That the OS is lacking in features and didn't get any relevant features since WP7 release is the bigger issue in my eyes. Just look at this terrible joke which calls itself calender.
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    03-04-2014 06:38 AM
  16. meddyrainzo's Avatar
    It's not only the apps, it's also the quality of the apps. Look at the Spotify app for example.

    Personally I can live with the apps however, Nokia is (was) working heavily on getting apps to WP. That the OS is lacking in features and didn't get any relevant features since WP7 release is the bigger issue in my eyes. Just look at this terrible joke which calls itself calender.
    But remember, a lot of features and improvements would be added to the 8.1 update.
    03-04-2014 06:56 AM
  17. Doohickie's Avatar
    I think what ttsoldier means to say that is that if people start abandoning WP stating lack of apps, it will not motivate developers to make more apps as the platform will get smaller
    I guess that's why I started the thread. Just a voice in the wilderness to try to get the point across that apps matter, and not just some lone shark app developer trying to develop a Youtube reader, but corporate apps for carmakers, banks, home control systems, etc. I haven't gotten it yet, but my home alarm system advertises one of these smart systems that turns my lights on and off and changes my thermostat temp from a smartphone app. How much you wanna bet they don't support WP? How much you wanna bet that NO home security system companies support WP apps? The device should serve the customer, not the other way around.

    And if I go over to Android because WP doesn't support my needs, I'm not the problem, the lack of apps is the problem..
    03-04-2014 08:42 AM
  18. Doohickie's Avatar
    No it isn't.
    Then why are WP users such a tiny minority?

    As for Strava, the issue is a social one. There is a much larger user community on Strava than Runtastic. If I want to track my own rides, Runtastic is adequate. But if I want to see how I compare to other riders via the King of the Hill segments, I need Strava. I know this not because I've used Strava, but because virtually EVERY OTHER CYCLIST I KNOW uses it. But because I have WP, I can't.

    For Intellicast, I don't know that the app is the bees knees. I've used it as my weather source for years on PCs. I know they offer the app for Apple and Android, but because they don't offer it for WP, I can't know whether it's better or worse than the others. It is what I'm familiar with from the PC world, though, and I'd kind of like to have it on my phone as well. I know what info is available on the full website and if most or all of it is available for the app, it would be better than what I'm using now. But maybe it doesn't; I don't know. But having the choice would be nice.
    03-04-2014 08:45 AM
  19. radmanvr's Avatar
    Don't give up just yet have you written a letter (emailed) Fiat yet? I have emailed State Farm Insurance about their lack of app on the Windows Phone and they sent me in email confirming that it is in the making.

    Windows Phone is catching traction, in fact its right on time. I started on the Android with FroYo and trust me there wasn't that many apps for it compared to the iPhone but look at Droid now.

    Windows Phone is about to catch a lot of good things. You have 1.5 year to go on your contract you will see improvements.
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    03-04-2014 08:46 AM
  20. radmanvr's Avatar
    First off, if anyone thinks Doohickie is "part of the problem", "is just whining", or some other argument that implies he is just kicking dirt on an established short-coming of WP, you haven't read his other posts, and you are not reading his thread. Do not let his chicken throw you off: This guy is serious. (Actually, Doohickie, the chicken thing is kinda your own fault, but no matter. )

    It doesn't matter what the majority of us in this forum think, only what each person thinks. I read an article on recruitment once where the recruiting coordinator at the University of Auburn was fighting hard to get a kid to come to play football there. He said he really thought he had him, only to lose him out to a school up north (he didn't say which one). When he called the kid to follow up, he asked him why he picked this school over Auburn, the kid said that they had a soft serve ice cream machine in the Athletic dorm and Auburn didn't.

    Did he complain about how that was over rated? That the School caferteria had it, so there was no reason to use that as an excuse? Tell the kid he was part of the problem because he didn't come to them to ask for one? Nope. He got Auburn to put in a stinking soft-serve ice cream machine so he wouldn't lose anyother kid for the same reason.

    I agree that MS, and Nokia for that matter, have done a pretty good job growing the app selections to over 300,000 in 4 years. But you are fighting 2 OS's with 1,000,000 (Dr. Evil accent) selections. It isn't important that we don't see it as a deal breaker, so many others do. I have written to maybe a dozen or more companies to see if they would create a WP app for their service, but so far none of those dozen or so companies have. The fact there is no PayPal or Square credit card reader app is why my wife now has an Android. The lack of a bank app is why my friends entire family are now on iOS. The fact that Marvel and DC Comics do not have an app is why my sons friend crossed WP off his list about a year ago.

    It is a deal breaker. It is the norm. Apps are expected. Saying we are fine without them doesn't help at all. Because it isn't about us, it is about Doohickie and users like him that would love or do love WP if only thet had this app or that app or that other app.
    The problem with this is its a vicious cycle. Apps are not made because of low popularity, low popularity because lack of apps. Its a continuum.

    Hopefully 8.1 update will boost popularity and cause the platform to sell more and by then developers will want to create apps for the platform.
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    03-04-2014 08:53 AM
  21. Doohickie's Avatar
    Don't give up just yet have you written a letter (emailed) Fiat yet? I have emailed State Farm Insurance about their lack of app on the Windows Phone and they sent me in email confirming that it is in the making.

    Windows Phone is catching traction, in fact its right on time. I started on the Android with FroYo and trust me there wasn't that many apps for it compared to the iPhone but look at Droid now.

    Windows Phone is about to catch a lot of good things. You have 1.5 year to go on your contract you will see improvements.
    I'm not giving up yet.

    What precipitated the whole thing is that my glass cracked and since I have a protection plan I got a replacement phone. While reloading all the apps, some of the holes kind of jumped out. State Farm is my insurance company and it is one of the companies I've complained about the lack of apps to. I got no response. Good to hear you got one.
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    03-04-2014 09:08 AM
  22. palandri's Avatar
    I'm not giving up yet.

    What precipitated the whole thing is that my glass cracked and since I have a protection plan I got a replacement phone. While reloading all the apps, some of the holes kind of jumped out. State Farm is my insurance company and it is one of the companies I've complained about the lack of apps to. I got no response. Good to hear you got one.
    I have State Farm and they have a really nice mobile website. Just saying.
    03-04-2014 09:26 AM
  23. Doohickie's Avatar
    I have State Farm and they have a really nice mobile website. Just saying.
    I'll check it out.

    I'm still on the learning curve, I'll admit that. But still, when companies offer apps for everyone but you, well... it just kinda sucks.
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    03-04-2014 10:39 AM
  24. Kavu2's Avatar
    It's not only the apps, it's also the quality of the apps. Look at the Spotify app for example...
    Sometimes good things come to those who wait...
    Spotify coming w/two new updates this Spring...

    -------------------------------------
    Were updating our Windows Phone app!
    February 24th, 2014
    by Diego Planas Rego

    Were happy to announce that two new updates are coming to Windows Phone 8 users this spring. The first Spotify update brings the much-anticipated Radio, Browse and Discover features. This means that you will be able to listen to personalized radio stations, browse for whats hot and whats new, or discover more music.

    The update also brings significant improvements and a brand new design and will be available to users later this spring.

    This new update will be available for Spotify Premium subscribers at the beginning. But the recently announced Spotify Free for mobile will also be arriving on Windows Phone follow us on twitter to keep yourself up to date.

    In the meantime, you can also sign up for a free trial of Spotify Premium

    ---------------------------------------------
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    03-04-2014 12:57 PM
  25. Chregu's Avatar
    Sometimes good things come to those who wait...
    I read the news and I am aware of this. The app was released in July 2013. Already back then it was lacking in features (radio!) and already back then it was slow as hell and terrible to use. That they announced an update is nice, but has no effect as long as I don't have it on my phone.

    It also was just an example, you could say the same about the Skype app for example (I don't know the current state, does it have the features of the iOS app now?), and this company even belongs to Microsoft.
    03-04-2014 01:00 PM
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